Depicting Other Religion's Figures

[Tumah]

I think the insults such as Muhammad (PBUH)Cartoons didnt make peace but increased only hatred.

And do you think this image going around Arab media of ultra-Orthodox Jews (typically not Zionists) as being responsible for the death of the child, makes peace or increases hatred?

Spoiler: Cartoon in Arab Media

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

*scratches his head*

You have me confuzzled. It does, of course...I'm just wondering what your intent was.
Apologies in advance, it's been a long day, and my brain appears to have packed it in about an hour ago.

My intent was to strongly suggest that there was no excuse to rape and full
penalty should be the conclusion

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

And do you think this image going around Arab media of ultra-Orthodox Jews (typically not Zionists) as being responsible for the death of the child, makes peace or increases hatred?

Spoiler: Cartoon in Arab Media

I domt think we must blame all Orthodox Jews. That is wrong.

 

[Tumah]

I domt think we must blame all Orthodox Jews. That is wrong.

But besides for that, you think the picture makes peace rather than increases hatred, right?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

My intent was to strongly suggest that there was no excuse to rape and full
penalty should be the conclusion

Then we are in complete accord. Victim blaming is odious.

(To be clear, my post re: short skirts was meant to be ironical.)

 

[Desert Snake]

If your religion sees another religion's leader or other such important figure in less than ideal light, do you think it should be OK to speak openly about it?

I notice that Christians do not hesitate to speak openly about how their Bible characterizes the Pharisees, the progenitors of Rabbinic Judaism of which I am a part.
Personally, I accept it and move on. Railing against it isn't going to get it out of their book.

Should I likewise be able to speak openly about Jesus and his family as depicted in my religious texts?

Go for it. That could be interesting. I don't think there are many threads of that nature on the forums.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

We should be free to satirise, criticise, even outright mock without fear of retaliation. We shouldn't have to fear the wrath of simple-minded barbarians who are so weak they can be injured by drawings or words.

 

[BSM1]

Then we are in complete accord. Victim blaming is odious.

(To be clear, my post re: short skirts was meant to be ironical.)

No worries. I got it.

 

[Nietzsche]

And do you think this image going around Arab media of ultra-Orthodox Jews (typically not Zionists) as being responsible for the death of the child, makes peace or increases hatred?

Spoiler: Cartoon in Arab Media

I wanna know how they started the fire like that. That's actually kind of impressive, because given the perspective it seems like the fire is actually about six or seven inches behind the bottle. I didn't know Jews had pyrokinesis!

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I wanna know how they started the fire like that. That's actually kind of impressive, because given the perspective it seems like the fire is actually about six or seven inches behind the bottle. I didn't know Jews had pyrokinesis!

But teh evil j00z can do so much more than what you're led to believe by teh evul zionist media.

 

[Politesse]

If your religion sees another religion's leader or other such important figure in less than ideal light, do you think it should be OK to speak openly about it?

I notice that Christians do not hesitate to speak openly about how their Bible characterizes the Pharisees, the progenitors of Rabbinic Judaism of which I am a part.
Personally, I accept it and move on. Railing against it isn't going to get it out of their book.

Should I likewise be able to speak openly about Jesus and his family as depicted in my religious texts?

I think you should have the right to. I do not think it is the path of wisdom. Not in either direction, incidentally - I'm no fan of antisemitism either.

 

[Tumah]

I think you should have the right to. I do not think it is the path of wisdom. Not in either direction, incidentally - I'm no fan of antisemitism either.

I don't see why it should have to come to that. I take the approach of, "that was him and this is you" when discussing these things.

 

[Tumah]

I wanna know how they started the fire like that. That's actually kind of impressive, because given the perspective it seems like the fire is actually about six or seven inches behind the bottle. I didn't know Jews had pyrokinesis!

They were worried about kids being traumatized seeing their bottle on fire. Lobbying and stuff. Figured it was better to just suggest the bottle was on fire, than to actually draw it on fire.

 

[leibowde84]

If your religion sees another religion's leader or other such important figure in less than ideal light, do you think it should be OK to speak openly about it?

I notice that Christians do not hesitate to speak openly about how their Bible characterizes the Pharisees, the progenitors of Rabbinic Judaism of which I am a part.
Personally, I accept it and move on. Railing against it isn't going to get it out of their book.

Should I likewise be able to speak openly about Jesus and his family as depicted in my religious texts?

You should absolutely be able to express any honest opinion you have about Jesus or any other religious/historical figure. It should be welcomed. Great point, btw.

 

[leibowde84]

Frankly I would be interested to hear about it.

Also the Pharisees, most of what little I know I learned in Catholic school. Possibly not the most objective source
Tom

I would assume it is just as objective as the new testaments view of the Pharasees.

 

[leibowde84]

I think the insults such as Muhammad (PBUH)Cartoons didnt make peace but increased only hatred.

That is subjective, and doesn't seem like a legitimate reason for censorship. We shouldn't dictate political correctness. People should be adult enough to ignore cartoons. If they cant, that is far more dangerous, and is merely indicative of their own shortcoming.

 

[ChristineES]

What outward "Christians" seem unaware of, is that those Pharisees represent their own, and all religious leaders that people seem to trust in and put their faith in as opposed to their own better judgment in their conscience mind. Follow the leader. The leaders that teach outwardly, a skydaddy, and all of the other many vain false doctrines and theologies.

Trust me, we do know. There are a lot of religious leaders and followers who behave the very same people they "rail" against. We speak about it at Church a lot and speak of it a lot. I've heard sermons about it. It represents those who go to Church yet practice a lot of the things that Jesus commanded us not to do and those who "go through the motions" . I don't use the term "pharisee", I use the the term "religious leaders". I am not sure why people don't realize this.
As for the OP, I don't rail against anyone's religious icons, myself. To me, they may not be icons, but to those who follow that religion, it means something very important. I try very hard to treat people as I would like to be treated.

 

[Desert Snake]

Trust me, we do know. There are a lot of religious leaders and followers who behave the very same people they "rail" against. We speak about it at Church a lot and speak of it a lot. I've heard sermons about it. It represents those who go to Church yet practice a lot of the things that Jesus commanded us not to do and those who "go through the motions" . I don't use the term "pharisee", I use the the term "religious leaders". I am not sure why people don't realize this.
As for the OP, I don't rail against anyone's religious icons, myself. To me, they may not be icons, but to those who follow that religion, it means something very important. I try very hard to treat people as I would like to be treated.

The Bible speaks of the Pharisees, should people not make threads regarding this?

//Jesus critcizes the Pharisees, in the Bible/

 

[ChristineES]

The Bible speaks of the Pharisees, should people mot make threads regarding this?

//Jesus critcizes the Pharisees, in the Bible/

I never said they shouldn't. They have and I have responded to them, as well.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Should I likewise be able to speak openly about Jesus and his family as depicted in my religious texts?

I would be inordinately surprised to discover that 'your' textual references to Jesus prove any more historically reliable than those of the gospel authors.