Depression

[1137]

Exercise ironically stresses me out and makes me extremely tense and angry. It's probably just more pain than it's worth for my body.

Luckily sex does not.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Exercise ironically stresses me out and makes me extremely tense and angry. It's probably just more pain than it's worth for my body.

Luckily sex does not.

Wow. I have to admit I have never heard of that before. For me a few hours at the gym is the only real escape from reality I get as I have to focus on the task at hand and and focus even harder to keep pushing myself to get through to the end of my workout regiment. The only downside is if I do it too late into the evening (and this is about as early as 9 pm), I will not fall asleep until about 4 am or later. But that's also the charge I get after a good workout. And if I don't leave the gym exhausted, sore, and slightly trembling I didn't push myself hard enough and I am not satisfied.
But I have found in general it really doesn't help me that much with my depression that much. On the contrary, a few times it has triggered a very deep depression a couple of times because in some way I am reminded that I can't do even half of what I used to be able to do not even 10 years ago because of my knee, and not only that I can't do a large portion of what most other 26-year old's physically can.

 

[1137]

For me, working out is a reminder of just too much. It reminds me presently of my pain amd weakness (not that I really forget my pain) but it also just makes me think of how I got to this much pain. But I'm one of those good looking , tall skinny guys who really doesn't go for workouts. Stretching sure.

 

[Infinitum]

I can relate to Doors. I've also got additional restrictions to what I'm even able to safely do because of a hereditary joint problem. I can't run and most physically demanding sports are out of question. Even long walks can cause me pain for weeks. Luckily I'm allowed to swim, but it's a habit that's hard to retain through the long winters. I generally look for feelings of success in arts and other intellectually demanding activities. Especially painting is very therapeutic.

 

[Knowledge Gourmet]

Daily, intense cardio and weight lifting have helped me more than sex!

I'd recommend it to anyone suffering with any kind of depression.

When you exercise you're moving your body. When you're having sex you're mating/connecting with another person. You're doing what a human is supposed to do. It really alleviates depression.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That's the thing with depression. Antidepressants are described as some kind of magical ladder out of the hole, but in reality it's more of a rope that stops you from falling any lower. You still have to climb out on your own. What depression is is practically a lack of feel-good hormones in our brain. Both exercise and sex increase these, so they help for most people. Others have naturally harder to take in and retain these and they're the best group for medical treatment.

I know that my antidepressant has certainly helped me since the dosage was increased. Sleeping at night and showering daily is a big help, as well. I could do better in getting outside more but there's really nothing for me to do outside and my neighborhood sucks.

 

[apophenia]

Daily, intense cardio and weight lifting have helped me more than sex!

I'd recommend it to anyone suffering with any kind of depression.

Totally.

A training regime has huge positive impact on the psyche i.e. the endocrine system.

Much more effective than drugs, and much less social and emotional complication than trying to get an endorphin high from sex.

The data is in. Resistance training is probably the single most physically and mentally valuable activity there is. I would include Iyengar-style yoga - possibly even better than gym, because a good teacher uses the asana practice to rewire responses to stress and frustration (asana practice exploits neuroplasticity, it is about retraining the habitual responses to panic, anxiety, and frustration - but you have to have some balls and discipline to get it) , and at the same time it makes you stronger and has all the benefits of resistance training. Patanjali's method is way more effective than La Vey or Crowley IMO. Unless you just like playing mindgames.

 

[apophenia]

For me, working out is a reminder of just too much. It reminds me presently of my pain amd weakness (not that I really forget my pain) but it also just makes me think of how I got to this much pain. But I'm one of those good looking , tall skinny guys who really doesn't go for workouts. Stretching sure.

I used to think like that.

Then I challenged my anxiety, and my 'anti-jock' identification BS.

I was also a skinny intellectual. I put in the work, did three weight training sessions per week, gained 20 pounds of lean muscle, and realised that I had been rationalising fear and negative body-image for many years. I feel so much better now, there is no comparison.

 

[1137]

Anti-jock identification? I don't skip the working out as some adolescent idetification issue.

 

[apophenia]

Well, I was talking from my own experience. The issue is not necessarily adolescent, although it may well begin there. I just felt that the gym, particularly the more testosterone-driven free-weights area, was right out of my comfort zone socially. But when I got into it, I loved it. It was a little embarrassing to me at first that I weighed 60 kg (about 135 pounds - every rib clearly visible) and had difficulty doing bicep curls with more than 5 kg. But I persevered. I engaged in the psychodrama and used it to power up. Eventually I was chest pressing 75 kg (165 pounds) and taking testosterone boosting herbs - and I felt fantastic ! I hadn't realised that testosterone is one of the best treatments there is for depression. So is Rhaponticum Carthamoides - a thistle wih a high ecdy steroid content and adaptogenic properties which is legal in the US, unfortunately now controlled here in Australia despite being a general tonic with no negative effects. Check it out as a herbal antidepressant. Some say it feels like shrooms without the trip. I concur. It makes moving your body feel amazing, and lifts mood, but doesn't bend your head.
Rhaponticum carthamoides - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rhaponticum carthamoides | Wellness Times

You mentioned a pain issue, which I only just registered. Injury of some kind ?

 

[nash8]

Totally.

A training regime has huge positive impact on the psyche i.e. the endocrine system.

Much more effective than drugs, and much less social and emotional complication than trying to get an endorphin high from sex.

The data is in. Resistance training is probably the single most physically and mentally valuable activity there is. I would include Iyengar-style yoga - possibly even better than gym, because a good teacher uses the asana practice to rewire responses to stress and frustration (asana practice exploits neuroplasticity, it is about retraining the habitual responses to panic, anxiety, and frustration - but you have to have some balls and discipline to get it) , and at the same time it makes you stronger and has all the benefits of resistance training. Patanjali's method is way more effective than La Vey or Crowley IMO. Unless you just like playing mindgames.

Neuroplasticity is the key to changing any thought pattern in my opinion. It has been demonstrated that gamma waves during meditation also promote neuroplasticity.
Meditation Sharpens the Mind | LiveScience

All you have to do is focus on what brain pattern you wan't to change in order for it to be effective. But I definitely agree physical activity is very important in this too. Physical activity has been engrained into our brains for thousands if not millions of years to make us neurochemically happy.

 

[1137]

Well, I was talking from my own experience. The issue is not necessarily adolescent, although it may well begin there. I just felt that the gym, particularly the more testosterone-driven free-weights area, was right out of my comfort zone socially. But when I got into it, I loved it. It was a little embarrassing to me at first that I weighed 60 kg (about 135 pounds - every rib clearly visible) and had difficulty doing bicep curls with more than 5 kg. But I persevered. I engaged in the psychodrama and used it to power up. Eventually I was chest pressing 75 kg (165 pounds) and taking testosterone boosting herbs - and I felt fantastic ! I hadn't realised that testosterone is one of the best treatments there is for depression. So is Rhaponticum Carthamoides - a thistle wih a high ecdy steroid content and adaptogenic properties which is legal in the US, unfortunately now controlled here in Australia despite being a general tonic with no negative effects. Check it out as a herbal antidepressant. Some say it feels like shrooms without the trip. I concur. It makes moving your body feel amazing, and lifts mood, but doesn't bend your head.
Rhaponticum carthamoides - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Rhaponticum carthamoides | Wellness Times

You mentioned a pain issue, which I only just registered. Injury of some kind ?

Honestly no insult or annoyance or anything meant, it's simply already typed out

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...313-need-help-managing-chronic-back-pain.html

 

[apophenia]

Honestly no insult or annoyance or anything meant, it's simply already typed out

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...313-need-help-managing-chronic-back-pain.html

Aha. Did you mention it in this thread ? I simply failed to exhibit ESP. That happens on the odd occasion.

 

[1137]

Aha. Did you mention it in this thread ? I simply failed to exhibit ESP. That happens on the odd occasion.

I'm not even sure

 

[Orias]

Thanks for the inspiration Q. Any other left hand path walkers here suffer from depression or exist in close proximity to it? Awful thing to have to live with yes, and many would love you to believe you can only deal with it through drugs and counseling. Probably a product of the pathetic and lazy world we live in that loves self victimization (goes hand and hand with AA and such admitting things are out of our control). But have any of you seen the power the mind has to battle itself? I mean start with understanding that your negative thoughts aren't true and you're on your way. I think we here have an advantage over others, as in many situations other than depression.

I experienced depression, swam into the deep end. Came out unscathed, or so I think. A long time ago, since then my outlook has been more suitable and slowly progressing into a thing of beauty.

 

[Adramelek]

Yeah, depression and drug addiction consumed me for a good many years of my life. How did I overcome it? I'm not sure a really have, what I know is that in my 40's I'm trying to make up for those years I lost in my early 30's. I haven't taken a narcotic pain pill in over a year now, and haven't had any suicidal thoughts for almost 5 years now. What I do is keep my mind and life busy with work my music and other things that interest me. Sure I take time out once in a while to reflect but my mind and soul are restless, some might consider that a curse, for me it is a blessing. One bitty problem though, I may be indulging too much with liquor.

Xeper.
/Adramelek\

 

[Orias]

Adramelek, reminds me of a good ol' Dimmu Borgir song

We will achieve great things.

 

[1137]

Former addicts and depressed individuals, aka the best breed of occultist.

 

[Orias]

I'm not addicted to drugs and I was depressed for a small period of time once. That quickly surpassed after I gave in to understand my greater nature and what I was actually capable of doing.

(Also shortly after I discovered this forum, which helped me smooth out my beliefs and curve my curiosity).

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Former addicts and depressed individuals, aka the best breed of occultist.

I don't find that surprising, really. Most of us seem to be misfit types. Not a bad thing at all.