Desire to experience God.

[Mock Turtle]

Both Christians and Moslems are allowed, indeed one would hope encouraged, to read other texts. Even to write them, as was the case with Nicolaus Copernicus' On The Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres, and Isaac Newton's Principia Mathematica, to give but two examples.

Did I say otherwise? But without these essential texts - Qur'an, Bible, etc. - they would not be what they are.

 

[Nakosis]

And if all truth resides in God, what would be the point of shutting the door and remaining in darkness?

How do you know?
Faith?

 

[RestlessSoul]

Did I say otherwise? But without these essential texts - Qur'an, Bible, etc. - they would not be what they are.

And without Shakespeare (and The King James Bible), England would not be what it is. Such is the power of the written word.

But what I originally questioned, was your comment about having to rely on one particular text.

 

[RestlessSoul]

How do you know?
Faith?

Well there is faith, there is knowledge, there is awareness, and there is understanding. Can any of these ever be absolute? Should one be valued to the exclusion of all others?

 

[Pete in Panama]

Good metaphor. Although I think scientific enquiry, with it’s laser focus on the material components of reality, is the spotlight, while spiritual enquiry, which exhorts us to widen our outlook and cultivate detachment from material phenomena, is the floodlight. And neither approach is more nor less honest; as many perspectives as possible are required, in order to gain a comprehensive perception of the totality of things.

This is correct, and at the same time scientific inquiry can take us to the limits of 'science' where it borders w/ philosophy and religion -- Sabine Hossenfelder got into this nicely. What it boils down to is the fact that general scientific inquiry assumes (for example) that locations matter, time exists, etc. Yet, observations of both the quantum and intergalactic levels show that both locality and time are malleable.

We need an understanding of philosophy and religion before we can approach science.

 

[Schwarzweg]

Fact: despite of God is well capable, but God will NOT complete any of your desire except the one which is written below.

Do you still desire to experience God, why ?

Kindly note: this thread is only for the people who want to experience God. Others please do refrain participating.

Um die Frage zu beantworten , muss man erstmal wissen ,
WER oder WAS Gott überhaupt ist ?
Für MICH gibt es ihn NICHT
Definiere Gott !

 

[Nakosis]

Well there is faith, there is knowledge, there is awareness, and there is understanding. Can any of these ever be absolute? Should one be valued to the exclusion of all others?

I suppose we go with whichever one seems right to us.
But, that is no guarantee.

 

[Mock Turtle]

And without Shakespeare (and The King James Bible), England would not be what it is. Such is the power of the written word.

But what I originally questioned, was your comment about having to rely on one particular text.

Well essentially they are though, given that their beliefs wouldn't exist if the text in question didn't exist. Non-believers are not dependent on any particular thing like this.

 

[sun rise]

So Muslims aren't reliant on the Qur'an, Christians on the Bible, etc.?

I'm not sure what you mean by "reliant". If it's the usual meaning, it would mean that a follower would use scripture as a basis for what is involved in following the religion. But it does not mean "heavily reliant" which is much stronger and does not preclude exegesis nor does it preclude other sources.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I'm not sure what you mean by "reliant". If it's the usual meaning, it would mean that a follower would use scripture as a basis for what is involved in following the religion. But it does not mean "heavily reliant" which is much stronger and does not preclude exegesis nor does it preclude other sources.

I meant in the sense that Islam would not exist without such a work, as in so many other religions too. And as to acceptance of such works either wholesale or by varying interpretations.

 

[chinu]

My only desire would be for the truth.
If the experience of God does not provide the truth, what would be the point?

Is there any truth you aren't aware of ?

 

[chinu]

Not going to dedicate my life to something that has no real benefit to me.

At least you answer is truthfully

A benefit no longer remains a benefit when a person is unbale to show it to others. And sadly, experience of God, and oneness with God, both happens at the one same time. And after oneness with God one also start seeing this whole world as own body. No one left as other person.

 

[Nakosis]

Is there any truth you aren't aware of ?

Sure, like how big is the universe and when did it start and how will it end.

 

[syo]

Expirience God??? Huh???

 

[chinu]

Sure, like how big is the universe and when did it start and how will it end.

How about a child who is more interested in parents-wealth than parents ?
How about a girl who is more interested in boyfriend's-wealth than a boyfriend ?
How about a boy who is more interested in girlfriend's-wealth than a girlfriend ?

How about a creature who is more interested in creator's-creation than a creator ?

 

[chinu]

Expirience God??? Huh???

Huh, yes.

 

[Nakosis]

How about a child who is more interested in parents-wealth than parents ?
How about a girl who is more interested in boyfriend's-wealth than a boyfriend ?
How about a boy who is more interested in girlfriend's-wealth than a girlfriend ?

How about a creature who is more interested in creator's-creation than a creator ?

Why can't one be interested in both?
If I created something grand, I certainly wouldn't mind my children showing interest in it.

Unless you feel God is so egotistical that this would bother them.

 

[chinu]

If I created something grand, I certainly wouldn't mind my children showing interest in it.

Many kings of the history did a mistake of showing their children what grand they did. Resulted, some of them were killed by their own childrens, or their children fighted among themselves for property. All dangerous result nothing good happened.

Don't you see human fighting for piece of earth ?

Over and above, I don't know what makes human think of that God is hungry of appreciation.

 

[Schwarzweg]

Many kings of the history did a mistake of showing their children what grand they did. Resulted, some of them were killed by their own childrens, or their children fighted among themselves for property. All dangerous result nothing good happened.

Don't you see human fighting for piece of earth ?

Over and above, I don't know what makes human think of that God is hungry of appreciation.

Dann hat Gott nichts mit Materie zu tun, sondern man könnte sagen :
Gott = Individulle SPIRITUELLE Erfahrung DAS wäre o.k.
Aber wir sind Menschen und da gibt es eben AUCH die Materie.
Genau DAS sind die zwei Seiten .................
Es KANN keinen gemeinsamen Nenner geben .
Dafür sind wir MENSCHEN , (was immer der Mensch auch ist,) aber das funktioniert einfach nicht.
Es sind alles nur MEINUNGEN , ANALYSEN, DENKANSTÖSSE usw. ..................................

 

[wellwisher]

Fact: despite of God is well capable, but God will NOT complete any of your desire except the one which is written below.

Do you still desire to experience God, why ?

Kindly note: this thread is only for the people who want to experience God. Others please do refrain participating.

Back in the hippie days of the 1960's-70's the desire to see and hear God was satisfied, by many young people, with psychedelic drugs. What was normally repressed, inside the personal and collective unconscious minds, would be made conscious, often as a projection onto reality, so the world of their inner man could be experienced. I do not recommend that approach, today, but it did made people aware of the inner world of the inner man, which was connected to God.

Many young people learned from the Native American and Eastern Indians, and would consume their spiritual and magic mushrooms, cactus buttons, etc., to hear and see God. They too were seeking confirmation of God. There were also stronger artificial ways, such as LSD, used to place oneself in a parallel dimension of awareness. Some of these dimensions were very scary, and were not what the spiritual pilgrims had hoped for. I used to be a baby sitter to make sure friends were not harmed following their living dreams.