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Destruction of Churches and Burial Alive the Latest Round in China’s anti-Christian Policy

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/205...m=all&utm_term=1649&utm_campaign=regular-post


In a recent flurry of repression against the prominent Chinese Christian community in southeast China’s Zhejiang Province, communist authorities demolished two churches on April 13 and 14.

One woman was killed in the April 14 demolition when she and her husband, both Christians protesting the destruction of their church in the city of Wenzhou, were buried alive by a bulldozer.

For all this Christians out here, this is what China is doing to your Christian brothers and sisters. Why do they do such things? The answer is obvious: Because for many Chinese, the Christian faith can give them a measure of freedom and happiness. The Communist Party does not want them to be happy but to be miserable. Miserable people can be tricked into being angry, can be tricked into blaming scapegoats.

An angry, poor population is good for the CPC regime's power and hence why they want to suppress Christianity.
 

Vouthon

Dominus Deus tuus ignis consumens est
Premium Member
Christianity is rapidly rising in China and the government's attempts at controlling it, through state-sponsored Protestant and Catholic churches, are backfiring with the underground movement still flourishing and drawing in new members.

By 2030, it is thought by sociologists that China will have more Christians than any other country in the world if present trends persist.

The Chinese authorities do not like the idea of any process being out with their control, hence their dismay at the growth of Christianity.
 

Godobeyer

the word "Islam" means "submission" to God
Premium Member
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/205...m=all&utm_term=1649&utm_campaign=regular-post


In a recent flurry of repression against the prominent Chinese Christian community in southeast China’s Zhejiang Province, communist authorities demolished two churches on April 13 and 14.

One woman was killed in the April 14 demolition when she and her husband, both Christians protesting the destruction of their church in the city of Wenzhou, were buried alive by a bulldozer.

For all this Christians out here, this is what China is doing to your Christian brothers and sisters. Why do they do such things? The answer is obvious: Because for many Chinese, the Christian faith can give them a measure of freedom and happiness. The Communist Party does not want them to be happy but to be miserable. Miserable people can be tricked into being angry, can be tricked into blaming scapegoats.

An angry, poor population is good for the CPC regime's power and hence why they want to suppress Christianity.
This sad news comes from China , the Chineses in general are peacefull people , how this done !
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
For all this Christians out here, this is what China is doing to your Christian brothers and sisters. Why do they do such things?

Religious organizations have to be "registered" in China and are supposed to be under te juristiction of government controlled organisations. The Chinese do not have "freedom of religion" in the western sense as under Communist legal systems (see "socialist law") "freedom of religion" originates from the state and is not an intrinsic or natural right of the individual. This conception of the state is actually written into the Chinese Constitution (Artile 25):

The state strengthens the building of socialist spiritual civilization by promoting education in high ideals, ethics, general knowledge, discipline and legality, and by promoting the formulation and observance of rules of conduct and common pledges by various sections of the people in urban and rural areas.


The state advocates the civic virtues of love for the motherland, for the people, for labor, for science and for socialism. It conducts education among the people in patriotism and collectivism, in internationalism and communism and in dialectical and historical materialism, to combat capitalist, feudalist and other decadent ideas.


Historically, Communist systems go through periods of periods of anti-religious campigns and then by periods of relative liberalisation (but never to a point where freedom of religion is unconditional). China has had a period of tolerance since the market reforms were introduced in the late 1970's after the end of the Cultural Revolution, to the point where there have been increasing tolerance of unregistered/"underground" churches. So the Churches that were demolished were "under the pretense that it had been constructed illegally" so that probably means they were not registered Churches with the government. However, it should be kept in mind that "socialist law" is deliberately partisan in defending the collective rights of the government as the emobidment of the people as is a political weapon against the enemies of the state. So the use of laws in a Socialist Legal system is best described as "rule by law" rather than "rule of law" because the law is treated as an instrument of the state to secure power and not as a way for individuals to assert their rights.

The answer is obvious: Because for many Chinese, the Christian faith can give them a measure of freedom and happiness. The Communist Party does not want them to be happy but to be miserable. Miserable people can be tricked into being angry, can be tricked into blaming scapegoats. An angry, poor population is good for the CPC regime's power and hence why they want to suppress Christianity.

Actually, the reverse is probably true. The Chinese government don't want an angry population because of the weakness of Marxist-Leninist-Maoist ideology as the basis for legitimacy of the Communist Party of China. The exact extent to which this is true is highly debatable but the threat of "counter-revolution" is recognised as a problem to the extent that the collapse of Chinese Communism is debated in Party Schools. The CPC has had to resort to appeals to nationalism or even appeals to anti-democratic themes in Confucianism. It is important to keep in mind that China considers itslef a "People's Democracy" as opposed to a "Western Democracy" based on multi-party elections. (see deatils here).

Under Mao, the campign "Criticise Lin, Criticise Confucius" (through the period 1973 to 1976), their assessment of Confucius was that "Confucius harbored a fierce hatred of the social changes of the time," and that he intended "to make all slaves China obedient and submissive." The existence of Private Schools based on Confucious was denounced as "reactionary political line in the field of education". So it should be clear that the weakness of Communist ideology in China is such that they could not control or direct public expressions of anger as in the days of the Cultural Revolution and it would be directed at them.

On the subject of economic growth, this quote from Deng Xiaopeng in 1990 is revealing:

Why do people support us? Because over the last ten years our economy has been developing ... If the economy stagnated for five years or developed at only a slow rate – for example, at 4 or 5 percent, or even 2 or 3 percent—what effects would be produced? This would be not only an economic problem but also a political one.

The long-term security of China's political system hinges on it's ability to deliver economic growth and an improving standard of living to the Chinese population. If anything, the Communist Party of China would probably want to create a population that is affluent enough not to care about human rights and democracy.
 

GoodbyeDave

Well-Known Member
If the churches were built without proper planning permission, then why should they not be demolished, as an illegal construction would be in Britain? It is one thing to claim that this was a pretext, another to present evidence that they were legally constructed.

I've read interviews with local people who find huge churches in western-style to be an eyesore, just as the Swiss have banned mosques from having minarets as too intrusive.

It seems the churches removed have all been Protestant, none Catholic. Perhaps the Chinese Protestants are as pushy as the US ones. I certainly wouldn't want to see US-style evangelicalism spread to the UK.
 
If the churches were built without proper planning permission, then why should they not be demolished, as an illegal construction would be in Britain? It is one thing to claim that this was a pretext, another to present evidence that they were legally constructed.

I've read interviews with local people who find huge churches in western-style to be an eyesore, just as the Swiss have banned mosques from having minarets as too intrusive.

It seems the churches removed have all been Protestant, none Catholic. Perhaps the Chinese Protestants are as pushy as the US ones. I certainly wouldn't want to see US-style evangelicalism spread to the UK.

Yeah, because it's China.

I'm not a huge fan of the Christians in the States who go around pushing their agenda on people and I think it's right to protest against them for say refusing service to gay couples.

But this is a whole different story when it comes to the world's largest dictatorship.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
If nothing else it's kinda mean to bury people alive for any reason.:imp::imp:
That indicates that the "culture" in China might still be a bit rigid and , dare I say, downright
uncivilized.
Doubt I'll be going there any time soon.
China has an unlimited supply of people so killing seems to be unimportant.

WWII interview with a Chinese General.
American correspondent: "How goes the war against Japan?"
Chinese General: "Good. We kill 10,000 Japanese and loose 100,000 Chinese."
Correspondent: That's terrible! You loose 100,000 Chinese troops for 10,000
Japanese Military! That's a ration of 10 to one of Chinese loses!"
Chinese General: " Yes! Pretty soon no more Japanese!":D:D
 
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If nothing else it's kinda mean to bury people alive for any reason.:imp::imp:
That indicates that the "culture" in China might still be a bit rigid and , dare I say, downright
uncivilized.
Doubt I'll be going there any time soon.
China has an unlimited supply of people so killing seems to be unimportant.

WWII interview with a Chinese General.
American correspondent: "How goes the war against Japan?"
Chinese General: "Good. We kill 10,000 Japanese and loose 100,000 Chinese."
Correspondent: That's terrible! You loose 100,000 Chinese troops for 10,000
Japanese Military! That's a ration of 10 to one of Chinese loses!"
Chinese General: " Yes! Pretty soon no more Japanese!":D:D

I know that was supposed to be a joke but it reflects the grim reality that the Chi.nese see human lives as expendable and a commodity to be bargained and spent.

This pretty much says it all!
 
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