Destruction of the Homophobia Theory

[X_Y]

That's some of the most vigorous
tap dancing I've seen all year.

Haha I see your point but really we have to understand our brothers. They are wanting the father figure they longed for so long. They have the seed of greatness but they need the water. I know this sounds gay but I believe this is the truth.

 

[X_Y]

Explains the extreme misogyny. My worldview is largely Nietzschean, but the man had notable issues. Including going mad from his syphilis infection.

We don't know for certain if his madness is caused by his syphilis infection or by his genius or if he had syphilis to begin with. It may be the lie of the feminist to taint him. The term called misogyny is one of their weapons. When you call me a misogynist you are sacrificing me and your own masculinity on the altar of feminism.

No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.

If you want to become one of us you have to choose which one to serve.

 

[Revoltingest]

Haha I see your point but really we have to understand our brothers. They are wanting the father figure they longed for so long. They have the seed of greatness but they need the water. I know this sounds gay but I believe this is the truth.

It sounds strange, not gay.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

We don't know for certain if his madness is caused by his syphilis infection or by his genius or if he had syphilis to begin with. It may be the lie of the feminist to taint him. The term called misogyny is one of their weapons. When you call me a misogynist you are sacrificing me and your own masculinity on the altar of feminism.

Sounds like denial. You don't become psychotic from being a "genius". Lmao.

If you want to become one of us you have to choose which one to serve.

Non servium. Why would I ever want to be one of you, whatever that is?

 

[Quintessence]

So... the OP was making sense up until talking about "higher animal kingdom" (no such thing, misconception about biological organisms) and "most animals didn't evolve as good" (misconception about biological evolution). Then it got worse with the false claims about DNA encoding of various philias, weird conspiracy theories, and sexism. Unfortunate, as there was a useful point in there somewhere. Oh well.

 

[Altfish]

I serve no woman but myself. I need no woman's validation of my masculinity. My pleasure of being myself is my validation. If you need women's validation to feel like a man then you give all your power to those who have not.

You sound like you're a w*nk*r

 

[Viker]

It's not repulsion towards homosexuality that is what is concerning in regards to the sentiment in the OP. Repulsion could just indicate homophobia, like arachnophobia is a fear/repulsion for spiders. Arachnophobia makes sense as there are a few incredibly dangerous species of spiders, most being benign to harmless.

It's a constant obsession with homosexuality that raises such concern.

 

[Koldo]

To begin with I am not advocating that homosexuals get exterminated etc.

According to the age old cliche hollywood homophobia theory if you are repulsed by homosexuality then you must secretly have homosexual tendencies. Let's test this garbage theory:

Let's test this theory against other sexual tendencies.

Lets try bestiality which means attraction to animals. If we apply the same hollywood theory of homophobia then :

If you are repulsed by bestiality then you must secretly want to have sex with animals?

Let's apply this theory to necrophilia:

If you are repulsed by necrophilia then you are a necrophobiac and you must secretly want to have sex with dead bodies?

So according to the hollywood theory of homophobia all people have sexual attraction to animals and dead bodies because you are either openly one of them or if you are repulsed by them or against them you are secretly one of them.

I hope you have already seen the logical error here. The truth is that we are evolved to avoid stuff that is counter productive. We avoid/got disgusted with certain things such poisons etc and have a tendency to elongate our lives or procreate. Now in higher animal kingdom there are instances of bisexuality but not homosexuality and most animals didn't evolved as good as we are. So don't come up with some species of hermaphrodite bugs etc.

Yes there are homosexual people but I think their upbringing overrode their genetic tendencies just as in other deviances.

So you can be repulsed by homosexuals, be against homosexuality just as you are against zoophilia, necrophilia or pedohilia and it is actually encoded in our DNA. Actually this hollywood theory is designed to precipitate an environment which encourages homosexuality and thus make people homosexuals. The male needs certain environmental stimulations to make him a male such as a strong male figure etc or else he becomes castrated and becomes a female. Femininity is the absence of masculinity such as in some rare syndromes like androgen insenstivity syndrome where the male fetus doesn't produce adequate response to androgen hormones and the fetus is born as a female. The same is true for environmental stimulations. If a male is brought up in an environment in which femininty is encouraged and masculinity is discouraged as in our modern environment which is created for the purpose of the castration and the weakening of the male then you get a lot of homosexual males.

So if you are repulsed by homosexuality that doesn't mean you are homosexual, it means that your masculine side is fighting back against our current feminist indoctrination.

Hence we destroy the age old cliche feminist hollywood homophobia theory. I believe hollywood is trying to destroy masculinity. The class is dismissed.

P.S: Again I am not advocating that homosexuals get exterminated etc. I am just saying that you aren't a homosexual if you are homophobic.

What makes people think that homophobics are closeted homosexuals is due to how often they frame homosexuality as a matter of choice.

If you are heterosexual, you wouldn't frame it like that. If, however, you are homosexual or bisexual, and had to actively choose to engage only in heterosexual relationships and fight off against your sexual orientation, then you would naturally project your experience into others and treat that as if it were the norm to heterosexuals even though it is not.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Philosophically I am a Nietzscheian and I think that the purpose of life is to become more masculine and strong:

People who always want more money have money insecurity. People who always want more power feel vulnerable. And people who want to be more masculine and stronger? You called that the purpose of your life. I feel masculine enough and strong enough now and have always. It's not something I ever think about.

You call yourself XY and you start threads explaining that you're not homophobic just because you find homosexuality repulsive. Then you group homosexuality with necrophilia and pedophilia.

These issue trouble you. Ask yourself why. Ask yourself why you felt the need to start this thread, but most other men don't.

Here's some guys just like you singing about manly men. It should appeal to you. Also, a possible T-shirt :

Spoiler

I serve no woman but myself. I need no woman's validation of my masculinity. My pleasure of being myself is my validation. If you need women's validation to feel like a man then you give all your power to those who have not.

What an odd thing to write. Interesting that you brought up your power there. You seem to view women as succubae.

Also, it's interesting that you are emphatic about not needing women's validation. Why qualify that with "woman's"? My masculinity needs no validation, and that includes from men. I can't imagine wording it that way.

 

[Heyo]

Philosophically I am a Nietzscheian and I think that the purpose of life is to become more masculine and strong:

My mission goes beyond missionary my friend I serve no woman but myself. I need no woman's validation of my masculinity. My pleasure of being myself is my validation. If you need women's validation to feel like a man then you give all your power to those who have not.

But you need men's validation, and you want to achieve it by being anti-feminist.

What would Nietzsche tell you? Probably that you should stop giving free rent to feminists in your mind. There is no masculinity in fighting women. If you want to go MGTOW, just do it, but stop complaining that you can't because you are held back by weak women. It makes you sound weak and whiney.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

To begin with I am not advocating that homosexuals get exterminated etc.

According to the age old cliche hollywood homophobia theory if you are repulsed by homosexuality then you must secretly have homosexual tendencies. Let's test this garbage theory:

Let's test this theory against other sexual tendencies.

Lets try bestiality which means attraction to animals. If we apply the same hollywood theory of homophobia then :

If you are repulsed by bestiality then you must secretly want to have sex with animals?

Let's apply this theory to necrophilia:

If you are repulsed by necrophilia then you are a necrophobiac and you must secretly want to have sex with dead bodies?

So according to the hollywood theory of homophobia all people have sexual attraction to animals and dead bodies because you are either openly one of them or if you are repulsed by them or against them you are secretly one of them.

I hope you have already seen the logical error here. The truth is that we are evolved to avoid stuff that is counter productive. We avoid/got disgusted with certain things such poisons etc and have a tendency to elongate our lives or procreate. Now in higher animal kingdom there are instances of bisexuality but not homosexuality and most animals didn't evolved as good as we are. So don't come up with some species of hermaphrodite bugs etc.

Yes there are homosexual people but I think their upbringing overrode their genetic tendencies just as in other deviances.

So you can be repulsed by homosexuals, be against homosexuality just as you are against zoophilia, necrophilia or pedohilia and it is actually encoded in our DNA. Actually this hollywood theory is designed to precipitate an environment which encourages homosexuality and thus make people homosexuals. The male needs certain environmental stimulations to make him a male such as a strong male figure etc or else he becomes castrated and becomes a female. Femininity is the absence of masculinity such as in some rare syndromes like androgen insenstivity syndrome where the male fetus doesn't produce adequate response to androgen hormones and the fetus is born as a female. The same is true for environmental stimulations. If a male is brought up in an environment in which femininty is encouraged and masculinity is discouraged as in our modern environment which is created for the purpose of the castration and the weakening of the male then you get a lot of homosexual males.

So if you are repulsed by homosexuality that doesn't mean you are homosexual, it means that your masculine side is fighting back against our current feminist indoctrination.

Hence we destroy the age old cliche feminist hollywood homophobia theory. I believe hollywood is trying to destroy masculinity. The class is dismissed.

P.S: Again I am not advocating that homosexuals get exterminated etc. I am just saying that you aren't a homosexual if you are homophobic.

This is a fine example of the GIGO style of argumentation.
Garbage In, Garbage Out.

 

[dybmh]

According to the age old cliche hollywood homophobia theory if you are repulsed by homosexuality then you must secretly have homosexual tendencies. Let's test this garbage theory:

I think you've misunderstood. The cliche is not about repulsion. It's about the seemingly autonomous, frequent, and consistent craving to talk about how awful homosexuality is. It's shakespeare. In Hamlet: "My love doth protest too much. ~wink-wink~"

Here's a hypothetical of the old cliche:

There's a person who is fixated on homosexuality, and sees it everywhere. Conversations with this person almost always seem to include some little comment about gay people. "See that guy? He's probably gay. Gross." "Oh, look at her. She's cute. ... ... Wow, I could never be gay." "Dude, don't sit so close. What do you want me to do, put my arms around you like a ***? hahaha (~blush~)". "Gays. GAYS Are trying to take over the world. Can't you see it? It's a conspiracy!!"

The underlying reason that the individual is *imagined* to be closeted is because: what is clearly seen in others, are the things they clearly see in themselves. That's "recognition". When a person recognizes homosexuality, in any of its various manifestations, what they're recognizing are aspects of an imaginary homosexual encounter that exists in the individual's psyche. When the individual perceives one of these phenomena, the mind automatically associates it, and in a small way, and very rapidly, the individual experiences the homosexuality themself. This produces a strong reaction. If the reaction is very strong, often, the individual will feel compelled to talk about it. It will be almost impossible to hold it back. If the individual consistently, repeatedly, and seemingly automatically, has a need to point out homosexuality wherever they see it, regardless of how minimal it is, then, people start to wonder: "Why is homosexuality always on that person's mind?" "Why is homosexuality always on the tip of their tongue?" One of the reasons could be that the individual is closeted, or, there could be other reasons.

If I were going to defeat the cliche, I would compare it to the old expression: "It takes a thief to catch a thief." It's a fun paradox.

 

[dybmh]

I will make another thread about this but hollywood is designed to inject specific ideas and personality traits to people.

It's true for any type of expression.

For the other thread, I'm curious, can you think of any form of expression which does not inject specific ideas and personality traits to people?

You may have realized in hollywood movies certain incidents, personality types and ideas are repeated over and over again. This is a way to brainwash people, especially males to make them feminine.

Maybe so, but I think what you're observing is innocent of malicious intent.

Something to consider? Hollywood movies are formulaic. Once something is successful, it's repeated over and over with minor changes trying to squeeze every last bit of profit out of each idea.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

To begin with I am not advocating that homosexuals get exterminated etc.

According to the age old cliche hollywood homophobia theory if you are repulsed by homosexuality then you must secretly have homosexual tendencies. Let's test this garbage theory:

Let's test this theory against other sexual tendencies.

Lets try bestiality which means attraction to animals. If we apply the same hollywood theory of homophobia then :

If you are repulsed by bestiality then you must secretly want to have sex with animals?

Let's apply this theory to necrophilia:

If you are repulsed by necrophilia then you are a necrophobiac and you must secretly want to have sex with dead bodies?

So according to the hollywood theory of homophobia all people have sexual attraction to animals and dead bodies because you are either openly one of them or if you are repulsed by them or against them you are secretly one of them.

I hope you have already seen the logical error here. The truth is that we are evolved to avoid stuff that is counter productive. We avoid/got disgusted with certain things such poisons etc and have a tendency to elongate our lives or procreate. Now in higher animal kingdom there are instances of bisexuality but not homosexuality and most animals didn't evolved as good as we are. So don't come up with some species of hermaphrodite bugs etc.

Yes there are homosexual people but I think their upbringing overrode their genetic tendencies just as in other deviances.

So you can be repulsed by homosexuals, be against homosexuality just as you are against zoophilia, necrophilia or pedohilia and it is actually encoded in our DNA. Actually this hollywood theory is designed to precipitate an environment which encourages homosexuality and thus make people homosexuals. The male needs certain environmental stimulations to make him a male such as a strong male figure etc or else he becomes castrated and becomes a female. Femininity is the absence of masculinity such as in some rare syndromes like androgen insenstivity syndrome where the male fetus doesn't produce adequate response to androgen hormones and the fetus is born as a female. The same is true for environmental stimulations. If a male is brought up in an environment in which femininty is encouraged and masculinity is discouraged as in our modern environment which is created for the purpose of the castration and the weakening of the male then you get a lot of homosexual males.

So if you are repulsed by homosexuality that doesn't mean you are homosexual, it means that your masculine side is fighting back against our current feminist indoctrination.

Hence we destroy the age old cliche feminist hollywood homophobia theory. I believe hollywood is trying to destroy masculinity. The class is dismissed.

P.S: Again I am not advocating that homosexuals get exterminated etc. I am just saying that you aren't a homosexual if you are homophobic.

A couple of things I see wrong with your logic:

-Necrophilia and zoophilia have natural repulsions due to the liklihood of disease spread and innate response mechanisms that have developed regarding this. Homosexuality lacks this same danger. Sex between humans has some danger of disease spreading, but this is true of any human contact, so therefore doesn't have the same repulsion due to the reliance of the human species on community.

-The assumption here is that homosexuality is primarily a sexual relationship. This is flawed. While sex may be an element in a homosexual relationship, like heterosexual relationships, it is not the only element.

I do agree that part of the "repulsion" is gender-based, but I think this is cultural, not innate. And I think it is based on a hypermasculinity that is the root of anti-homosexual and anti-trans viewpoints. Evidence for this:

-Male physical displays of affection vary greatly in cultures, and some things, like cuddling between male friends, is acceptable in some cultures but not others. This doesn't appear to be the same for females.

-Male and female fashion often switch, for instance, tight pants that show off the calves and legs being at one time fashionable amongst men. Females seem to be able to better adapt to wearing men's fashion socially than men have been to wear female fashion.

--Gay women have been more visibly present in media than gay men.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

We don't know for certain if his madness is caused by his syphilis infection or by his genius or if he had syphilis to begin with. It may be the lie of the feminist to taint him. The term called misogyny is one of their weapons. When you call me a misogynist you are sacrificing me and your own masculinity on the altar of feminism.



If you want to become one of us you have to choose which one to serve.

I wanted to add that I do think it's hilarious that you love Nietzsche but you are quoting Jesus. How ironic. Maybe you should think over that quote yourself.

 

[X_Y]

I wanted to add that I do think it's hilarious that you love Nietzsche but you are quoting Jesus. How ironic. Maybe you should think over that quote yourself.

I think Nietzsche's interpretation of Bible was wrong. He read Bible in a superficial, literalist way like most Christians do and he was against that version of Christianity. I love Bible.