Detroit Police Aid Armed Terrorists Menacing LGBT Parade

[The Reverend Bob]

Once again the police have decided that armed Nazis and racist terrorist are more in need of protection than those they are menacing. Instead of placing these white Neanderthugs under arrest for disturbing the peace and disorderly conduct the police in their lack of any sort of common sense gave a big finger to a community under siege and encourage these racist criminals to commit more terrorist acts such as these because the terrorists know that the police will be on their side.

Those terrorists had no legitimate business being at that parade armed to the teeth, the only reason they were there was to harass, intimidate and terrorize the LGBT community and the police let them. Shame on them!

https://www.gaystarnews.com/article...-detroit-pride-with-police-escorts/#gs.hbgrb5

 

[sooda]

Once again the police have decided that armed Nazis and racist terrorist are more in need of protection than those they are menacing. Instead of placing these white Neanderthugs under arrest for disturbing the peace and disorderly conduct the police in their lack of any sort of common sense gave a big finger to a community under siege and encourage these racist criminals to commit more terrorist acts such as these because the terrorists know that the police will be on their side.

Those terrorists had no legitimate business being at that parade armed to the teeth, the only reason they were there was to harass, intimidate and terrorize the LGBT community and the police let them. Shame on them!

https://www.gaystarnews.com/article...-detroit-pride-with-police-escorts/#gs.hbgrb5

I agree.. Shame on the police.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

NSM are a joke and a bunch of degenerates who just like the aesthetics for photo ops. Even other neo-Nazis deride them as "Hollywood Nazis". That said, LGBT people should arm themselves and learn self-defense. If the police won't protect you, protect yourself.

 

[Audie]

Once again the police have decided that armed Nazis and racist terrorist are more in need of protection than those they are menacing. Instead of placing these white Neanderthugs under arrest for disturbing the peace and disorderly conduct the police in their lack of any sort of common sense gave a big finger to a community under siege and encourage these racist criminals to commit more terrorist acts such as these because the terrorists know that the police will be on their side.

Those terrorists had no legitimate business being at that parade armed to the teeth, the only reason they were there was to harass, intimidate and terrorize the LGBT community and the police let them. Shame on them!

https://www.gaystarnews.com/article...-detroit-pride-with-police-escorts/#gs.hbgrb5

Consideripng the hyperbolic language of the op,
and the source cited, this has no credibility as
having happened as described.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Consideripng the hyperbolic language of the op,
and the source cited, this has no credibility as
having happened as described.

Except for the videos in the article which show armed Nazis being protected by police. And why doesn't this blog (my source) lack credibility? Is it because it is targeted towards a gay audience? Do you have something against gay people?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Unfortunately part of free speech is the right to protest in an offensive manner. One of the main purposed of this counter march was to elicit a violent response. The police prevented that. I would say that the police had a difficult job to do, they were in a no win situation, and they kept the Nazis from winning by keeping them under control, and protecting them from people that would have handed them even more publicity.

Don't worry, the vast majority see these people as sad hate filled fools.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Unfortunately part of free speech is the right to protest in an offensive manner. One of the main purposed of this counter march was to elicit a violent response. The police prevented that. I would say that the police had a difficult job to do, they were in a no win situation, and they kept the Nazis from winning by keeping them under control, and protecting them from people that would have handed them even more publicity.

Don't worry, the vast majority see these people as sad hate filled fools.

This isn't about free speech. What were these Nazis protesting? What message were they trying to convey? Their purpose wasn't protest or free speech but to intimidate, harass and terrorize the LGBT community with their show weapons. Free speech my ***.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This isn't about free speech. What were these Nazis protesting? What message were they trying to convey? Their purpose wasn't protest or free speech but to intimidate, harass and terrorize the LGBT community with their show weapons. Free speech my ***.

Their message was one of hate. I don't like it but it is a legal message to have. And the police kept them under control too. All that they could do was to march at an event where no one wanted them looking like a bunch of morons. Since there was no violence, which probably was their goal, they lost.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Their message was one of hate.

If it was just one of hate then why the guns? What message was that conveying to the crowd?

 

[Subduction Zone]

If it was just one of hate then why the guns? What message was that conveying to the crowd?

There was no doubt that they were trying to threaten. But as long as they kept their arms holstered there was no crime done. I know that it irks you but remember, they did not meet their goal. The police kept both them and the people that could have made them look like "victims" under control. I give kudos for the police for how they handled a difficult situation. No arrests needed to be made. If the Nazis were attacked you know that they would have been trumpeting it all over the place. And without the police if they were attacked then they could have legally used those weapons. I see this as a huge loss for them. Locking them out would cause legal problems for the city, and they could have profited from that. Violence would have helped the Nazis. This was the worst possible outcome for them.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

There was no doubt that they were trying to threaten. But as long as they kept their arms holstered there was no crime done. I know that it irks you but remember, they did not meet their goal. The police kept both them and the people that could have made them look like "victims" under control. I give kudos for the police for how they handled a difficult situation. No arrests needed to be made. If the Nazis were attacked you know that they would have been trumpeting it all over the place. And without the police if they were attacked then they could have legally used those weapons. I see this as a huge loss for them. Locking them out would cause legal problems for the city, and they could have profited from that. Violence would have helped the Nazis. This was the worst possible outcome for them.

Making violent threats and discriminatory harassment coupled with the threat of imminent violence is not protected speech though, in fact they are criminal acts. There are laws against making terrorist threats. It violates US law: 18 U.S.C. § 2332b(c)(1)(g)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Unfortunately part of free speech is the right to protest in an offensive manner. One of the main purposed of this counter march was to elicit a violent response. The police prevented that. I would say that the police had a difficult job to do, they were in a no win situation, and they kept the Nazis from winning by keeping them under control, and protecting them from people that would have handed them even more publicity.

Don't worry, the vast majority see these people as sad hate filled fools.

Thats my thoughts. Is it going to be easier to tell an armed or unarmed instigator to back off? Really, it was the Nazis who needed protection from themselves.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Its also a good example of why we should consider disallowing such protests where intimidation and a clear potential for violence is the intention.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

Its also a good example of why we should consider disallowing such protests where intimidation and a clear potential for violence is the intention.

Whoever issued the permit to the Nazis to march should be fired. Clearly, their intentions were not in the best interests of the community

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Whoever issued the permit to the Nazis to march should be fired. Clearly, their intentions were not in the best interests of the community

Yes. Protest is one thing, counter protest is one thing, but armed counter protest against an unarmed group is its own can of worms entirely. Its not free speech, its intimidation and harassment, which are not protected

 

[Subduction Zone]

Making violent threats and discriminatory harassment coupled with the threat of imminent violence is not protected speech though, in fact they are criminal acts. There are laws against making terrorist threats. It violates US law: 18 U.S.C. § 2332b(c)(1)(g)

But they were not openly doing that. If they were openly advocating attacking and killing others that would be illegal. They kept on the legal side in this show..

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But they were not openly doing that. If they were openly advocating attacking and killing others that would be illegal. They kept on the legal side in this show.

I don't think this case is that crystal clear because there is an intention to intimidate. There is no other reason to be showing up armed. Add in they were shouting insults, and at best they created a legal grey area. At worst they are intimidating and harassing.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Yes. Protest is one thing, counter protest is one thing, but armed counter protest against an unarmed group is its own can of worms entirely. Its not free speech, its intimidation and harassment, which are not protected

If one has a concealed carry permit then they have that right. There are no laws limiting that sort of activity that I know of. It is when one takes one's arm out that it becomes illegal. And Michigan has a fairly low standard to qualify for a concealed carry permit:

MSP - Concealed Pistol License Requirements

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If one has a concealed carry permit when they have that right. There are no laws limiting that sort of activity that I know of. It is when one takes one's arm out that it becomes illegal. And Michigan has a fairly low standard to qualify for a concealed carry permit:

MSP - Concealed Pistol License Requirements

They may be legal carriers, but intention does tend to count a lot in court. If they were to answer honestly, I doubt self-defense is why they say they were carrying. I very much doubt they had the intention to actually use their guns, but they had every intention of inducing fear. I hate to sound cliche, but realistically people of other ethnicities would have been hated for it. Its being defended here, but the criticism would be harsh had the Black Panthers or "look alike" group showed up armed.

 

[The Reverend Bob]

If one has a concealed carry permit then they have that right. There are no laws limiting that sort of activity that I know of. It is when one takes one's arm out that it becomes illegal. And Michigan has a fairly low standard to qualify for a concealed carry permit:

MSP - Concealed Pistol License Requirements

You can open carry in Michigan only if your intentions are lawful. It is clear that their intentions were not even close to being lawful. The purpose was to intimidate and threaten. Their discriminatory harassment of the LGBT community was explicit but their making terrorist threats was implicit by them carrying guns even if they didn't point them at people or verbally threaten to shoot people. The point of the guns was to produce an intimidating and threatening atmosphere