The Trinity is biblical and therefore it is not something we "do not know".
(And what is wrong with a Sunday worship?)
The old law was fulfilled by Jesus and therefore no longer has to be kept. So it is no problem to eat pigs.
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Deuteronomy 13:1-6?
- Thread starter LAGoff
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(And what is wrong with a Sunday worship?)
The old law was fulfilled by Jesus and therefore no longer has to be kept. So it is no problem to eat pigs.
Samantha Rinne
Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
You're rejecting a religion that hasn't happened yet (at the time of the writing of these six verses) based on thar little amount? Sounds like you were gonna do it anyway. It also sounds like you probably don't understand the premise of Christianity.
Christianity is not about Jesus. Lemme say that again, because alot of Christians think Christianity is about Jesus. Christianity is is not about Jesus.
What is Christianity about? "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son to the end that all who believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life." Christianity is about the grace provided by Jesus, not Jesus himself.
Jewish law is telling people to reject any prophet that says "Let us go after other gods" but this is assuming that Jesus worshipped a god other than God. You can clearly see from his observance of Passover and many other Jewish festivals this is not the case. So what is the case? That Jews have made their Law an idol, that gets in the way of the actual word of God. Jesus came and often quoted other prophets such as Isaiah and Ezekiel and Hosea. The Jews ignored him and so ignored all their other prophets to worship the Law as though it were God.
Here's an example from the NT. The Pharisees and such ask Jesus (to trap him) whether it was lawful to pay taxes to Caesar. If he said yes, he would lose his crowd (and they could probably quietly remove him). If he said no, they could have Romans arrest him. Instead, Jesus did something that showed where his true alliance (and those of his accusers) were. He asked them for the coin. This was a ROMAN rather than Jewish coin, so as a Jew loyal to God, he did not have it (neither did most of the crowd, they had to get their tax money converted). Most people there had Jewish shekels not Roman denarii. Yet, despite the denarii being an actual profane object within the Temple, they readily produced this, showing that they had become rich from dealings with the Romans. Jesus had won without saying much of anything. Yet he asked "whose image (" you shall worship no graven image") and inscription (Shema Yisrael, mentions inscribing ths name of the Lord on your house) is on the coin? " One of these men served God. The others were false leaders.
74x12
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It's a reference to the Exodus but it's also about Jesus. You don't seem to understand that prophecies can do that.
How do you know Matthew made that up? It seems quite believable to me that Joseph would flee to Egypt if Herod was going to kill the babies.
Jesus is Israel and the only real light to the Gentiles.
74x12
Well-Known Member
Does everything have to be mentioned? I came to the conclusion the new Covenant is the resurrection through study of all scriptures. Not from just one passage like you are looking at.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
No one passage; three chapters.
LAGoff
Member
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LAGoff
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[QUOTE from Wizanda] "Yeshua Elohim's father is the God Most High (Luke 1:32, Luke 6:35)...
As Malachi 4:4-6 stated the Lord came to turn the hearts of the Children back to the Father (El Elyon - God Most High).
The problem is Jews no longer recognize that 'El (Source) is not like the Elohim (Divine Beings)' (Isaiah 46:9) since the Babylonian Exile...
Where they've tried to remove any form of polytheism, having seen the Canaanite Pantheon worshipped as demigods.
Thus we need to check the original theological structure: Isaiah 46:9 paraphrased Deuteronomy 32:7-9, where El Elyon separated the nations among the Elohim, and gave Israel to Yahavah Elohim.
When Yeshua prayed Eli Eli, people thought he meant Elijah as they no longer understood that is 'My God', where Elohi is 'My Divine Being'.
It states in Deuteronomy 32:15 that the Jews in later times will have rejected the Rock of their Salvation (Yeshua).
The Lord said he would become our Salvation in Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118, Isaiah 12:2, Isaiah 52:10, etc..
So Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels was correcting Judaism back to what the Bible stated; Christianity with its false christ (G5580) jesus (H5580) came about after by the Pharisees: John, Paul, and Simon the stone Petros).
Take into account all of this deception was prophesied to happen in Isaiah 8, Zechariah 5, Habakkuk 2, etc...
It is all very clever, as comprehending it leads to Salvation (Yeshua).
In my opinion."
[/QUOTE from Wizanda]
Well, you seem like someone I'd like to talk to. I am for 'oneness' too, but I don't like the direct 'zen' approach. The Story (the Tora- Pentateuch), which is probably largely made up, provides me with enough separation to make me reconsider my 'zen-only' first, logical, meditation only approach. Within this Story (the non logical) there are laws/commandments (mitsvot- which is from the root TsVH, to 'join' [with God in oneness]) which concretizes a more cozy/personal/sweet/non-logical approach to God in that in order to observe these mitsvas with joy, I leave the El/Elohim/'the All'/ God-the-most-high/El Elyon airy, abstract and impersonal and enter into a unique form of 'oneness' ("Jehova is one") that personalizes God/El/Elohim/Eloha/El- Elyon (all generic names of Jehova, like saying my lover is a homo sapien instead of her name) so I become devoted to the personal, jealous God named Jehova who also (according to The Story) is the one and only God who I am commanded ('mitsvahd'- en-joined) to love with all my heart, soul and might.
Tonight is Yom Kippur where we fast. I would not fast (no food or water) and I certainly wouldn't leave a note on a car I hit on a dark and rainy night without this Story (where we are introduced to Jehova and His mitsvahs). This is good and sweet and leads me to say without hesitation that it (The Story) is from Him.
As Malachi 4:4-6 stated the Lord came to turn the hearts of the Children back to the Father (El Elyon - God Most High).
The problem is Jews no longer recognize that 'El (Source) is not like the Elohim (Divine Beings)' (Isaiah 46:9) since the Babylonian Exile...
Where they've tried to remove any form of polytheism, having seen the Canaanite Pantheon worshipped as demigods.
Thus we need to check the original theological structure: Isaiah 46:9 paraphrased Deuteronomy 32:7-9, where El Elyon separated the nations among the Elohim, and gave Israel to Yahavah Elohim.
When Yeshua prayed Eli Eli, people thought he meant Elijah as they no longer understood that is 'My God', where Elohi is 'My Divine Being'.
It states in Deuteronomy 32:15 that the Jews in later times will have rejected the Rock of their Salvation (Yeshua).
The Lord said he would become our Salvation in Exodus 15:2, Psalms 118, Isaiah 12:2, Isaiah 52:10, etc..
So Yeshua in the Synoptic Gospels was correcting Judaism back to what the Bible stated; Christianity with its false christ (G5580) jesus (H5580) came about after by the Pharisees: John, Paul, and Simon the stone Petros).
Take into account all of this deception was prophesied to happen in Isaiah 8, Zechariah 5, Habakkuk 2, etc...
It is all very clever, as comprehending it leads to Salvation (Yeshua).
In my opinion."
[/QUOTE from Wizanda]Well, you seem like someone I'd like to talk to. I am for 'oneness' too, but I don't like the direct 'zen' approach. The Story (the Tora- Pentateuch), which is probably largely made up, provides me with enough separation to make me reconsider my 'zen-only' first, logical, meditation only approach. Within this Story (the non logical) there are laws/commandments (mitsvot- which is from the root TsVH, to 'join' [with God in oneness]) which concretizes a more cozy/personal/sweet/non-logical approach to God in that in order to observe these mitsvas with joy, I leave the El/Elohim/'the All'/ God-the-most-high/El Elyon airy, abstract and impersonal and enter into a unique form of 'oneness' ("Jehova is one") that personalizes God/El/Elohim/Eloha/El- Elyon (all generic names of Jehova, like saying my lover is a homo sapien instead of her name) so I become devoted to the personal, jealous God named Jehova who also (according to The Story) is the one and only God who I am commanded ('mitsvahd'- en-joined) to love with all my heart, soul and might.
Tonight is Yom Kippur where we fast. I would not fast (no food or water) and I certainly wouldn't leave a note on a car I hit on a dark and rainy night without this Story (where we are introduced to Jehova and His mitsvahs). This is good and sweet and leads me to say without hesitation that it (The Story) is from Him.
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Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
I am really not into this kind of abstraction. Life is confusing enough without muddying the waters.
LAGoff
Member
Sorry. I was really responding to Wizanda in the main body of that post and accidentally appended the top sentence (which was a thanks to you) to my response to Wizanda.
But it is interesting (since you have Buddhists in your picture) that I was describing in my post to Wizanda (that you 'accidentally' got) how my bitter attempt to 'grok' the All (through various schemes including Zen and Buddhism may have led me back to my heritage (Judaism)
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
There are only a few books in the Bible that I consider without error, in totality. This means without
• translation error
• something that does not provide a method for non obfuscation, ie interpretation problem
• translation correlation error, ie one book referencing another, in a form of error
• possible added verses
• possible authorship error
None of the nt books meet all these requirements, for my religious beliefs, and only a few of the ot books, do, with allowances. This doesn't mean that other books are 'written off', it just means they may not meet the requirements, in totality.
That being said, there's some context, the verse actually seems like he is saying remember through this ceremony, not a literalism like some churches make it. A verse comparison would be necessary to determine that, however.
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sooda
Veteran Member
Because there was no census and Herod didn't kill any babies. Jesus had NOTHING to do with Gentiles.. He was a Jew and he preached to the Jews.
Fact is that Herod was probably already dead when Jesus was born. Herod Antipas was ruler over Galilee, but even though the NT calls him King Herod he was never a king.
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Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Josephus says that Jesus had both jewish and greek followers.
'Gentile', means nations, and could include jews.(ethnesin
Romans 2:24
sooda
Veteran Member
Maybe.. Josephus exaggerates so much.. Jesus spent much of his ministry around Galilee and the Decapolis which sort of kept him safe from the Sanhedrin... Herod Antipas didn't seem to bother him. But, you know Judah really despised Israel... they considered them Hellenized half breeds.. and Israel was more prosperous than Judah so there's that.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
I think we need more context, here.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I don't know why this would lead you to Chrisitanity.
- The Christian scriptures make a god out of Jesus and say to follow him. This passage says to beware of false prophets who tell you to follow other gods.
- The Christian Scriptures, especially Paul, say that salvation is a matter of faith, not following the commandments. This passage says to follow the Lord and keep his commandments.
Remember that the Torah was given by God through Moses to Israel. Align yourself with Israel. You don't have to become a Jew of course -- it's fine if you become a righteous Gentile, an ethical monotheist. Of course, should you really want to become a Jew, that option is open as well.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Though we Jews certainly live in the nations, and can even be citizens, we are always apart. We are always the People of Israel, a nation set apart, a priestly people. Thus, the word Gentile NEVER applies to us. There is Israel, and there are the nations. There is no overlap.
Tumah
Veteran Member
His first sentence says "lead me to reject Christianity".
Tumah
Veteran Member
That's not why the word gentile doesn't apply to Jews. It doesn't apply to Jews because it's original contextual use modern colloquial meaning is someone who isn't a Jew. A Jew isn't someone who isn't a Jew.
Conversely, one of the words it often comes to translate is "goy". A Jew can be a goy - and the Torah calls the Jewish nation "goy" as well. Except in it's colloquial meaning where again it means gentile, in which case as above.
74x12
Well-Known Member
Paul says a lot more than just salvation by faith. In fact it says "by grace through faith". The difference being that grace is unmerited favor of God. And faith is what saves you because it leads you to obey God's will. For it is expected of everyone who really believes that they obey. And if they don't obey then how can they say I believed?
Once you're in the resurrection then you aren't under the Law of Moses whether you're Jew or gentile. Because you died to the Law and live to God. As Paul points out.
The Law is superfluous if you are already risen from the dead. Because the Law was made for those who are alive in this present world. But --in the new Covenant-- you are risen (in spirit) to be with God. And you are from then on; in the world yes but not of it. Passing through as messengers of the goodness of God.
So the new Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34) is the resurrection from the dead. That's what many have missed and what God has revealed.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
You're NOT risen from the dead. Sheesh.