John D. Brey
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There's a lot of semantics there that have lots of wiggle room. What, more precisely, is "transfiguration"? And is there a difference between being raised from the dead versus being "resurrected"?
John
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Deuteronomy 32:40-2: The Syzygy of God's Two Hands.
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There's a lot of semantics there that have lots of wiggle room. What, more precisely, is "transfiguration"? And is there a difference between being raised from the dead versus being "resurrected"?
John
John D. Brey
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Is Elijah Jude Alexander more than a teacher? Didn't you give him a canonical title related to one of the messengers, or angels, noted in the book of Revelation?
John
Thank you for your comprehensive reply ( and adding to my fund of knowledge )
I'll also add Psalms 17:7 to Psalms 48:10.
To Psalms 60:5 to also connect to Psalms 18:35; Psalms 21:8; Psalms 108:6; Psalms 118:15; Isaiah 41:10.
Psalms 74:11 to Lamentations 2:3.
and Psalms 80:17 connect to Psalms 89:20-21 because David was supported by his God's hand.
Psalms 89:13 to Psalms 44:3.
The 'live forever' part of Deuteronomy 32:40 B to connect to Revelation 10:5-6 because the angel swore by the One who lives forever and ever....
... and those resurrected to heaven will never see ' second death ' - Revelation 20:6; 2:10.
Those resurrected to live life again on Earth can live forever 'if' they choose to obey God.
Live forever on Earth or gain everlasting life on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.
As far as the ' transfiguration ' as found at Matthew 17:9 it was a 'VISION' and Not an actual happening.
I find a lot of people try to ' wiggle ' around transfiguration by ignoring the word: 'VISION'.
To me 'raised from the dead' does mean 'resurrected back to life'.
Some people resurrected to Heaven like the faithful people of Luke 22:28-30; Daniel 7:18
They have that first or earlier resurrection of Revelation 20:6; Revelation 2:10; Revelation 5:9-10.
The majority of people (John 3:13) resurrected back to live life again on Earth.
To me this is why ALL the physical resurrections Jesus performed were a sample, or a coming attraction of what Jesus will be doing earth-wide during his 1,000 year governmental reign over Earth.
Yahcubs777
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People also ignore that except ye are born again, ye cannot SEE the kingdom. That is why it was called "vision"... Do you know Prophets receive visions of real events? Lol this is what happens when you claim you follow the Words of Jesus His Pre-Eminence, yet you do not know what HE preached.
Yahcubs777
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Let me make it clear. Elijah Jude Alexander, is the 7th Angel of the Church Age. His first birth name is not Elijah, just as John the Baptist was not called Elijah at birth. I did not capitalize "HE" when referring to Elijah, but to Jesus His Pre-Eminence. And I said: he is bringing to rememberance all that HE said. This sentence is actually written in the bible spoken by Jesus His Pre-Eminence.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Compare with:
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Compare with:
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
All of these agree with each other.
Who is the person that carried out the restitution of all things written here? It says the heaven received Jesus His Pre-Emience until the time.... meaning that there is a work still be to done.
Then hearkening back to what Moses said to point the people to the fact that this is who Moses spoke of so long ago. That they thought Joshua was that person but it came again in Malachi 4:4-6
4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Then even Jesus His Pre-Eminence mentions it again here:
10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?
11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.
12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
You will see here that HE differentiated the two. The one that will restore all things, and there is John the Baptist who they rejected. Two different people, both Elijah.
But like I said, i can tell you this all day. You demonstrated that you do not believe that there is someone that will come before Jesus His Pre-Eminence to restore all things. So that says to me that you won't believe me.
I will say this. There is a reason why we have to mine gold, and we don't just stumble upon it in the open. Its because of the Law of Justification. In the same way, the one Prophesied to come to restore all things, is much more precious that the gold you mine for; his revelations are much much more to be desired than the silver and gold of this earth. Thus, only by seeking GOD and HIS kingdom, will a person find him. It is GOD that leads the person to HIS sent one.
And its easy to say, seek and ye shall find, without understanding what the seeking is. A seeker is someone that has realised that things are not as they seem to be. The hunger for the truth of GOD, and HIS Word, seems to be unquenchable. That you read and read and read, you go to service day upon service day, you may dive into other things that were not included in the bible, only to discover that none of that is quenching your hunger. And you will discover that no one out there has the truth. That the messages being preached in the churches; the messages the people clap and sing for, does not even agree with what was written, and what was written, does not quench your hunger. It is seeming like you have never been fed before, and the hunger is only getting stronger and stronger. Its like you didn't know you were hungry, until you begin to hunger. When that happens, there is only one that you can turn to for that hunger to be filled, and that is GOD. At that time, rather than be looking to answer things yourself, or looking for your teacher to answer them, you will be seeking GOD for the answers, because you will realise that the answers are not in the bibile. You will also see things that were written do not agree with the GOD's Most Holy Character. You may begin to feel trapped; like you are in a prison and you can't see the walls. And you will desire a way out. Now you are ready to seek the kingdom.
So there is alot in that seeking. It can't be forced, its something that comes from inside your Spirit Being. It can take months, but most likely years. And this is what it means to seek. Then you have been justified to find. And this is what it means: Seek ye him while he may be found. Why?
Because GOD can always be found. HE has no ending and no beginning. Thus, its speaking of another, who can only be found for a certain time. Just like Noah was like that. Once he shut the doors to the Ark, nobody could enter or exit again. It is speaking of finding the 7th Angel of the 7th Church, while he may be found. Because he is the last. He finished the job. And all that do not hearken unto his voice, shall be cut off from among the people as was written.
That cut off, means that the person will not immortalise in life. Its like they were circumcised from the body. This is what the Great Moses meant when he said:
And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even. 20And every thing that she lieth upon in her separation shall be unclean: every thing also that she sitteth upon shall be unclean. 21And whosoever toucheth her bed shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even. 22And whosoever toucheth any thing that she sat upon shall wash his clothes, and bathe himself in water, and be unclean until the even.
Why ? GOD knows its a thing that a womans body does for procreation to be possible... So why is it unclean?
The reason is because its pointing to the people that remained mortals until the end came. That "put apart for 7 days" is pointing to the 7 dispensations of the Angels of the Churches. A Dispensation is a time when an Angel of the Church is in the earth. The reason for the word: Dispensation, is because it is a time of dispensing revelations to the children of the kingdom.
Thus, there are 7 dispensations of mortality. Which in that time the church will eat unleavened bread. That is actually supposed to be "un-lived in bread" . Showing its the kind that cannot give a person positive metamorphhosis to transfigure in life.
You will notice it is written that Elijah ate Angels food. Why didn't anyone consider what that food is? And then also how human can eat food that is specifically for angels? SELAH.
So it is at the time of the 7th dispensation, that the 7th Angel of the Church will be in the earth and he will immortalise the church in life by his messages. And there ae evidences of it when it happens but that is confidential.
Therefore, the people that did not seek and find, the people that did not hearken to his messages; which means to assimilate them into their Spirit Being so that their Spirit Being can be fed, and hatch the immortal cell system in their body in 12 sets, in batches of 144, to subdue their mortal nature, supplant the blood cell system, and fill the body with Zoe cells to immortalise that body in life, they will be cut off, circumcized from the body, and will have to die at the end of the terrestrial and wait for resurrection.
The Woman with an issue of blood 12 years, that said to herself: If i only touch the Hem of his garment i shall be made whole (no clean, but whole), was speaking by Revelaions that she learnt from the blessed Virgin Mary. This is a time that Moses Law was supreme. If the people knew that she had an issue of blood she would have been stoned.
The reason why it was 12 years is pointing to the 12 tribes of Israel. The issue of blood is mortality. And the Hem of his garment is Bethel-hem, which is a stage in the metamorphoisis where the person has reached 90% Zoe, 10% blood cells. So this was a message of immortalisation in life. Being mde whole is immortalisation in life. It isn't so that you will still age, fall sick and die again. He that is whole needs not a physician.
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Yahcubs777
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Transfiguration, is conforming to the image of the Son of GOD. The body that the Son of GOD Adam had before he ate from a certain tree, is the body that was in the Image and after the likeness of the GOD. Transfiguration is also a stretching. When a person immortalises their body in life (brings down the building blocks of mortality), they still haven't transfigured yet. But the body that they have is not like what mortals have. That kind of body has no vital organs, no anus, the genitalia is on chill mode so procreation is no longer possible. The rest is pretty much a secret that i will not share in a public forum. Put simply: Now are we born again. Old things have passed away, everything has become new.
At this time, the blood cell system has been completely shed, and all that remains is the water in the body. So there will still be some time before all the water is drained in the body. When all the water is drained from the body, then the person is ready to transfigure.
The transfiguration is the stretching of the body to 60ft, which is the height of Man in his transfigured state. It is the height of the persons Spirit Being. In a mortal body the Spirit Being is in a squatted state, programmed in the soul. But when te sretching occurs, the Spirit Being stands up, and stretches the body to 60ft. This is what Isaiah meant when he said:
“For the bed is shorter than that a man can stretch himself on it: and the covering narrower than that he can wrap himself in it.”
Yahcubs777
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Raise or erect (ressurect).
The GOD that can raise the dead, can also erect the living.
Resurrection is a solution to the problem; like the medicine to a sickness. The issue is death. So resurrection solves that problem resurrecting the dead.
Transfiguration in life, is erecting the body of the person to its original size and stature, without the person having to detatch from their body and be resurrected.
In the resurrection, the persons body is resurrected, then the person is baptized back into their physical body, and the person quickens the body by the Word of Command, and transfigures the body.
Transifguration in life, is putting of the mortal body and putting on the immortal body without having to die and be resurrected.
So, resurrection the word, is not only pointing to dying first, but that GOD can erect a person in a life. And there is the supernatural science of it, the path to life.
John D. Brey
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Theologically speaking, I grew up a premillennial dispensationalist. We believe the Rapture takes place seven years before the return of Christ to earth. In my understanding there's no prophesy to be fulfilled prior to the Rapture of the Church. It could have occurred a thousand years ago. Or it can occur tomorrow.
In the Bible, heralds herald the imminent return of Christ. Moses and Elijah preach in Jerusalem until they're killed in the streets. Which is to say that contrary to what you say above, I do believe someone will come before Jesus returns to earth.
I don't assume I know it all. And I'm not trying to judge your faith, or your spiritual mentor Elijah Jude Alexander. As I've said, he appears to have had a very good impact on you such that you know your Bible very well.
John
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John D. Brey
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I might agree with most of this. But the semantics are tricky since your take on "transfiguration" seems to imply it's taught ---as you present it ----as a basic principle in the Bible. I think it would take quite a bit of cross-referencing of terms, and concepts, to know how precisely we agree on some of these things.
Take for instance your use of the term, "Jesus His Pre-Eminence." What does it signify such that it, and not, the "Lord Jesus Christ," is used so frequently? It's clearly an attempt at respecting the Lord Jesus Christ, and yet since I know no person who respects the Lord Jesus Christ outside of you who refers to him as "Jesus His Pre-Eminence," it can appear like you're trying to set your semantics outside of the general terms used to speak of the Lord? It's a short step from that to sectarianism: "We are the true servants of the Lord." "We are the chosen ones." "We are the faithful sheep." "We speak in tongues." "We're the 144,000 special ones."
John
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John D. Brey
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It appears that the angel in Revelation 10 is swearing by the one who lives forever, while in Deuteronomy 32:40 God is lifting up, from the grave, the one who thereafter lives forever.
We could say the transcendent God of Jewish monotheism is eternal. He always was, and always will be. He never falls down, never dies, is never raised up. So the anthropomorphism "hand," as in the "hand of God," appears to be speaking of some aspect of divinity that's not necessarily eternal life, but life like our own.
Jesus really did die. And he really was raised to heaven. In that sense he's a new hypostasis of the eternal God.
Most of the Jewish interpreters of the Hebrew text have a problem with the concept of the hypostatic union of God and man in a person: Jesus or otherwise. So they appear to dumb down Deuteronomy 32:39 to imply that the eternal God is saying he is raising his hand to tell everyone he lives forever. That's a tautological redundancy in Jewish monotheism since the concept of living forever is already a product of omnipotence, omnipresence, and immutability. God would merely be bragging, or acting something like the Wizard of Oz, blowing smoke.
In my opinion, Deuteronomy 32:39-40 is making an earth-shattering statement and not a theo-tautological redundancy. The earth-shattering pronouncement is that God became a man; died, was raised by the Father, and now possesses not "eternal life" (or not just eternal life) but everlasting life: life once subject to death, but now freed from that servitude forever. In my opinion, that's the victorious eschatological proclamation being made in Deuteronomy 32:39-40.
John
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Yahcubs777
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As I explained, Rev 11 is coded. Moses and Elijah both have their immortal transfigured body now. How can an immortal come and die? Rev 11:11 speaks of a time when the Spirit will come back into the Word and the Law and the Prophets will stand on their feet, and great fear will fall upon tthem that killed them. If it were to happen literally as it was written, why weren't their bodies taken to a morgue? How could people of that stature be in the earth and the world news didn't pick up on it? This is showing its not as it was literally written.
Look at how they said: And they lay dead on the streets Spiritually called Sodom and Egypt where also our LORD was crucified. Where was Jesus His Pre-Eminence crucified according to the bible? How does this agree? This is showing the whole chapter is written esoterically; in Akkadian; the language of Prophets.
The 3 days is actually pointing to: a Time, times and half a time. It is also hearkening back to the fact that Jesus His Pre-Eminence after crucified, resurrected HIMSELF on the 3rd day. This is an adumbration; it adumbrated a time that the church would be in darkness; a time when darkness covered the earth and gross darkness the people. IT was also revealed in the denials of Apostle Peter 3x before the cock crowed. Why? Because the cock crowing is signalling a new day. That new day is the 7th day, the sabbath day. The thre denials was pointing to a time of apostasy; the night time of Apostasy.
In the book of Revelation, it speaks of a time when the world will be cut into thirds. This is also not literal in th sense that a third of the world will be cut off from the planet. No, its speaking of three worlds in the planet. There is the people in Egypt, which are people that are in the world, of the world... There are the people in Sodom, which is all the churches that are not built by GOD, that are not apart of HIS Logos, that were either the Mother Harlot, or her daughters, false prophets, false preachers and so on. While the 3rd is Goshen spoken of by Isaiah the Prophet as Zion. And the people in Zion are being fed revelations that will immortalise them in life. This is what it means: The Spirit went back into the Word.
Now for the full explanation.
The two witnesses are the Law and the Prophets personified by Moses (the Law), and Elijah (the Prophet). And what has being laying in a dead state is their messages; the testomonies of the Law an the Prophets. What it means is not that they are not true, but that they are not able to hatch Zoe in their current state. Meaning, that the mindset that the people have, along with the mindset of the Sent ones that wrote them, is not at the same height of the Spirit. Why? Because all of them that came before Jesus His Pre-Eminence were the body. The one that Jesus His Pre-Eminence spoke of calling him "the Spirit of truth" is the Spirit sent to the body to give the body life. That is the Spirit that came to the body, to adorn her, to wed her, to immortalise her in life. So the body needs the Spirit to stand up, to have motion, to have life.
Put Simply, the testimonies of the Law and the Prophets as they are currently, are in a crucified state. Because the people that put them together, also added and subtracted from them. It is also a result of mistranslations, mistramsisions, misinterpretations. There are things in there that are straight up Blasphemies against the Most Holy Character of GOD. Thus, the Word needed to resurrected, and that resurrection is the Spirit entering back into the Word as it was said, in the height of communication it was given. And that is among the restoration of all things.
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Yahcubs777
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It is not an attempt, it is aknowledging who HE is. I say "Pre-Eminence" because I am speaking about the GOD. In the Lords prayer it is said: Hallowed be thy name. This is how I show my Maximum respect and regard to the person of Jesus His Pre-Eminence, who is the GOD of Creation. So the way HE came into the earth, did not prevent me from seeing HIS true identity.
Transfiguration is the race. We race against death, against aging, against all odds to immortalise in life. And transfiguration is in 4 stages of positive metamorphosis. These 4 stages were signposted in 2 kings 2 by Elijah who travelled to them physically, to transfiguration. The stages are also signposted in the great works of the Great Moses, and the Prophet Joshua; the journey to the promised Land. The path to life has always been transfiguration, but Moses didn't understand it and thought he needed to trek the people to the promised Land. What the people have missed, is that the people receiving Word from GOD, still have their own flaws, and inabilites to get things perfectly. And the evdence that some one sent was not perfect in their testimonies, is that another was sent after them, and another, and another. If it was perfectly said, there is no need to send aother to say what the one before him has said.
Therefore, the one sent to restore all things, must revisit the messages of those that came before, and bring them to the height they should have been written, for the people to be able to catch the messages that he has been sent to preach to finish the job.
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John D. Brey
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In the theology I learned, there's a distinction between "resuscitation," versus "resurrection." The latter means you've died, and risen into a state that will never return to the mortal body you formerly possessed. "Resuscitation," on the other hand, merely implies that your mortal body was temporarily resuscitation only to die again eventually.
Lazarus died after being resuscitated. All those who rose from the grave at Jesus' resurrection later died implying that they merely had their mortal bodies temporarily resuscitated.
In the ancient world, bodies weren't embalmed. In fact, we embalm bodies today because of the truth that there are many times when a body has all the qualification of being dead, while it's in a state between life and death. We might interpret Jesus' prayer of thanks to the Father upon reaching Lazarus tomb to be based on the fact that Lazarus didn't yet "stinketh." Jesus may have realized that if he had actually died, rather than being in state between life and death, his body would have already begun to decompose.
John
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John D. Brey
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It's seems somewhat outlandish to claim Elijah Jude Alexander is the one called to finish the job. . . Which doesn't mean it's not true. . . But there must, in my opinion, be an equally outlandish litmus test to prove the credentials of someone taking on such an elevated title.
As the Apostle Paul pointed out, Satan presents himself as an angel of light. Paul implies that in the end times he will deceive even the elect to the degree it's possible.
As you may know, Super-Apostles constantly came behind Paul and taught all the great doctrines that Paul didn't know since he, Paul, wasn't one of those chosen to know the great secrets saved for the super-elect. . . Paul called him, "our Lord Jesus Christ" (or the Greek equivalent). The Super-Apostles may, for all I know, have referred to him as, "Jesus His Pre-Eminence"?
John
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Yahcubs777
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Here is a question I have for you. What is the difference in Cain killing Abel and saul killing Stephen?
John D. Brey
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The question seems too open ended. Cain killed his brother. Stephen wasn't Saul's biological sibling? Cain's blow took down Abel. We don't know that Saul threw the stone that finished the deed.
John
Yahcubs777
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It really isn't. Are not all jews one family? Is Paul a jew? Whether we know it or not, he sponsored the death of stephen. Where is the justice for stephens death?
John D. Brey
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I pointed out in the first paragraph that even though the word "right" (as in right hand) isn't in the text, using scripture to interpret scripture gives us a good indication that the right hand is in view.
The same is the case for speaking of "resurrection" when it says God lifts his right hand to heaven. God is already in heaven. So why would he have to "lift" his right hand to heaven? Clearly his right hand isn't already in heaven? Furthermore, his right hand is his hand of power, as the quotations from the Psalms imply. So why would it be powerless to lift itself to heaven? Why does the text not say "My right hand rises to heaven"?
Let thy hand be upon the man of thy right hand, Upon the son of man whom though madest strong for thyself.
Psalms 80:17.
Psalms 80:17.
John
John D. Brey
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I started a thread here years ago where I pointed out that Cain was actually in a better position with God after he killed Abel than he was prior to killing Abel. . . It seems the same was true of Saul.
John