Gino Cerutti
Italian
Do you think that devil and damnation will last for eternity? Could that idea be compatible with “to bring all things in heaven and on earth together under one head, even Christ.” Ef 1:10?
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Devil and damnation for eternity?
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LittleNipper
Well-Known Member
Yes, because those who wish to be with CHRIST, remain with HIM and those who want nothing to do with CHRIST are put away where they can be excluded. CHRIST is glorified in either case. HE knows who will be happy and who will not, but eternity is what it is.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
There is a position that can be put forth that says damnation is only the description of annihilation.
In other words, if one doesn't go to heaven, they will forever been damned or never have a chance at life again. This same position can also support there is no suffering or pain or conciousness either if one does not go to heaven, they just cease to exist.
In other words, if one doesn't go to heaven, they will forever been damned or never have a chance at life again. This same position can also support there is no suffering or pain or conciousness either if one does not go to heaven, they just cease to exist.
Gino Cerutti
Italian
Could damned souls be destroyed?
Gino Cerutti
Italian
Your statement agrees with the Catholic Catechism.
1035 The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, "eternal fire."617 The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs
Catechism of the Catholic Church - I believe in life everlasting
But in the Christian theology there is as well the idea of apocatastatis.
Apocatastasis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Saint Catherine of Siena:
If Thy truth and Thy justice
permitted it, I would that Hell were utterly destroyed, or at least
that no soul ever more should descend thither
Full text of "Saint Catherine of Siena : a study in the religion, literature and history of the fourteenth century in Italy"
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
They will all be destroyed, as supported by the bible.
Gino Cerutti
Italian
Could you quote the Bible, please?
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Sure, there are many, but this should support the idea.Could you quote the Bible, please?
Note the reference that these verses are for, those that do not know God (damned souls) and what will be done to them, destroyed forever.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
My belief is that there is such a thing as the devil (i.e. Satan) and there is such a thing as eternal damnation. In order that I not be misunderstood, though, I would have to qualify that statement by saying that I also believe in an almost universal salvation. In order to spend eternity in Hell, a person would have to have a far greater understanding of God's love and mercy than 99.9999% of humanity has, and then essentially spit in God's face, knowing with an absolute certainty that that's what he was doing. Nobody will spend eternity in Hell for having simply been what most of us would call a "bad person," and no "good person" will spend eternity in Hell for having done nothing more than reject certain doctrines that simply don't ring true to him.
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wildbill014318
New Member
I believe that souls that do not reach kingdom of heaven will be destroyed. christ told us what do do to reach the kingdom of heaven. Heaven, kingdom of God is the same but kingdom of heaven is where you get every lasting life. Souls that doese not get every lasting life destroyed within days.
Gino Cerutti
Italian
Naveed83
Wandering madman
I'm honestly surprised no one quoted the good old classic John 3:16
Not only does it imply eternal damnation, but also supports the idea that one does not suffer for eternity. Note the word parish does mean suffering, but rather destruction, which would most likely be eternal considering you don't normally bring back things you destroyed. As for the destruction method, the many verses talking about flames I think imply it's through fire.
With the Devil/Satan thing, I don't really have an answer for you yet. I'm still debating on whether he is indeed a "fallen angel" or simply like an auditor for God if you will.
-KJV
Not only does it imply eternal damnation, but also supports the idea that one does not suffer for eternity. Note the word parish does mean suffering, but rather destruction, which would most likely be eternal considering you don't normally bring back things you destroyed. As for the destruction method, the many verses talking about flames I think imply it's through fire.
With the Devil/Satan thing, I don't really have an answer for you yet. I'm still debating on whether he is indeed a "fallen angel" or simply like an auditor for God if you will.