#DiagnoseTrump

[Shadow Wolf]

The ones who need to improve the performance are those who lost the race.

If someone thinks they don't need to improve, they are on the road to defeat. In regards to the election, this is the fact Trump lost the People's vote by a comfortable margin, and has on the lowest EC margins in history. To both sides that should be an obvious indication of "room for improvement." If Trump's crew ignores that, he'll be crushed in 2020.[/COLOR]

Most are not and even befdore he taks offices he as saved at leat 800 jobs and some of the business that depended on those jobs staying where they were. So he as already done more than Obama has done.

And he's still lost a ton of them. In Indiana, at most, he "saved" less than those that left. Under Obama, the economy indeed added tons of jobs.

Yes it will. There about 25 democratic seats in states he won. If lthose dem are not relelected ,i tiwll helpo hin in2020.

That really doesn't mean much, as many states have mixtures. But, though the Republicans have a few more seats, overall the Democrats had a net gain versus the Republican net loss. Again, it's foolish for the Right to ignore their "skin of the teeth" victory. But, it will help the Dems, so go ahead and keep doing it.

Sure they can. Lets see how some o f the dem in thosed blue states coming ujp for relelection vote .

It's extremely unlikely states like Washington, California, and New York will switch because the metropolitan areas are where the massive bulk of the population for those states are, and they are solidly Blue, with a few cities being like that even in Conservative Texas.

Obama had control of both house his first term and he blew it.

That has nothing to do with my question.

 

[habiru]

Should Trump be subject to a psychatric evaluation before taking office? At the moment 34,000 psychologists and psychatrists agree.

#DiagnoseTrump

Do you think this is necessary?

If President Trump is crazy, then I would like to be crazy like him. Well if he is, then that means that the mental insane are able to support themselves and that they doesn't need a check from the government for support. That will help out with the deficit.

 

[omega2xx]

Another common trump fan characteristic: inability to have any type of meaningful thought or conversion.

Another common snake fan characteristic: inability too understand simple truths.

 

[omega2xx]

So, you're against Social Security, Medicare, and the U.S. Armed Services, each of which is heavily "socialistic"?

Social Security is not socialism. The people pay into it and get it back with interest. The military is not socialism. We pay for the protection of our country. Medicare is a form of socialism, but some forms a socialism are necessary. We need to take care of those who can't take care of themselves, but that system is full of abuses. The is a big difference between having some forms of socialism and in having all form of government being socialistic.

What I object to is the government taking my money and giving it to those who don't deserve it.
Like giving ILLEGAL aliens free college tuition. Where do you stand on the rule of law.

 

[omega2xx]

If someone thinks they don't need to improve, they are on the road to defeat. In regards to the election, this is the fact Trump lost the People's vote by a comfortable margin, and has on the lowest EC margins in history. To both sides that should be an obvious indication of "room for improvement." If Trump's crew ignores that, he'll be crushed in 2020.[/COLOR]

Trump did not lose by a comfortable margin. It was about 1% of those who voted, I did not say he did ndot need to improve. However those who lost need to improve more.

And he's still lost a ton of them. In Indiana, at most, he "saved" less than those that left. Under Obama, the economy indeed added tons of jobs.

During Obama's time, more were lost than saved, Personal income dropped and more people went on welfare.

That really doesn't mean much, as many states have mixtures. But, though the Republicans have a few more seats, overall the Democrats had a net gain versus the Republican net loss. Again, it's foolish for the Right to ignore their "skin of the teeth" victory. But, it will help the Dems, so go ahead and keep doing it.

Not true. they won more governorships and increased the number of Republican is state houses.

It's extremely unlikely states like Washington, California, and New York will switch because the metropolitan areas are where the massive bulk of the population for those states are, and they are solidly Blue, with a few cities being like that even in Conservative Texas.

That's right but their votes did not matter in this election and it won't matter in the next one either.

That has nothing to do with my question.

I forgot your question. Ask again and I will answer it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Social Security is not socialism. The people pay into it and get it back with interest. The military is not socialism. We pay for the protection of our country. Medicare is a form of socialism, but some forms a socialism are necessary. We need to take care of those who can't take care of themselves, but that system is full of abuses. The is a big difference between having some forms of socialism and in having all form of government being socialistic.

What I object to is the government taking my money and giving it to those who don't deserve it.
Like giving ILLEGAL aliens free college tuition. Where do you stand on the rule of law.

Even Medicare isn't socialism....it's just a kind of social welfare.
Socialism is about who owns the means of production.

Here's what's going on....
Socialists want to make socialism acceptable, so they like to include some widely non-socialist programs, eg, roads, national defense, welfare. This is wrong. Socialism is about government (or as they say, "the people") owning/running all factories, farms, etc.
Many right wingers want to do the same regarding the same programs, but instead to demonize socialism.
Thus, confusion results.
We must force socialists & right wingers to use dictionary definitions, & not let them deceive us with ad hoc definitions.

Bad socialist!
Bad right winger!
Bad!

 

[metis]

Social Security is not socialism. The people pay into it and get it back with interest. The military is not socialism. We pay for the protection of our country. Medicare is a form of socialism, but some forms a socialism are necessary. We need to take care of those who can't take care of themselves, but that system is full of abuses. The is a big difference between having some forms of socialism and in having all form of government being socialistic.

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You obviously do not understand what "socialism" is as there are various forms of it. Here: Socialism - Wikipedia

Social Security is not individualized as if it were a federal savings account. Neither is Medicare. Neither are the armed services. These are government mandated and run agencies, not individual accounts. We have what economists call a "mixed economy", which is a blend of socialism and capitalism.

 

[tytlyf]

We have what economists call a "mixed economy", which is a blend of socialism and capitalism.

Yep, if people want a pure capitalistic country, they should try Mexico or Brazil to see how well those christian countries are functioning.

There's nothing wrong with capitalism, until it gets large enough and leads to corruption/greed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Trump did not lose by a comfortable margin. It was about 1% of those who voted, I did not say he did ndot need to improve. However those who lost need to improve more.

You apparently are not understanding what I'm saying. Those who think they don't need to improve stagnate and plateau, while those who know otherwise will rise above.

During Obama's time, more were lost than saved, Personal income dropped and more people went on welfare.

BLS has him at a total net of 10,000. Granted Obama has carefully chosen his words to give optimistic and clever spins on the those numbers, and most of the overall gains have went straight to the top, but when it comes to jobs, overall, Obama has the numbers in his favor.

That's right but their votes did not matter in this election and it won't matter in the next one either.

Which is a huge problem. Everyone's vote should be counted and weighted equally.

That has nothing to do with my question.
I forgot your question. Ask again and I will answer it.

It was based on the observation of outrage over Obama's use of executive orders from the Right, but with Trump, it's a permissible option.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yep, if people want a pure capitalistic country, they should try Mexico or Brazil to see how well those christian countries are functioning.

There's nothing wrong with capitalism, until it gets large enough and leads to corruption/greed.

Size isn't needed for corruption & greed.
Those need preventive measures at all levels.

 

[metis]

Yep, if people want a pure capitalistic country, they should try Mexico or Brazil to see how well those christian countries are functioning.

There's nothing wrong with capitalism, until it gets large enough and leads to corruption/greed.

As far as I know, all present modern countries are mixed economies because the blending of capitalism and socialism tends to work out the best overall. However, the mix of each varies from country to country, as it should because the conditions in each country are not uniform.

Unbridled capitalism proved to be a disaster, thus giving rise to socialistic programs to try and correct the ills that the former created. What we do in the U.S. in this regard now would have been unheard of in the 1700-early 1900's.

 

[Revoltingest]

As far as I know, all present modern countries are mixed economies because the blending of capitalism and socialism tends to work out the best overall. However, the mix of each varies from country to country, as it should because the conditions in each country are not uniform.

Unbridled capitalism proved to be a disaster, thus giving rise to socialistic programs to try and correct the ills that the former created. What we do in the U.S. in this regard now would have been unheard of in the 1700-early 1900's.

To criticize "unbridled" capitalism is a straw man, since no one here is proposing a complete lack of regulation.
And there's no reason we can't have both rampant capitalism & a social welfare system (which isn't socialism).
Note too that every historical attempt at socialism has been a dismal failure regarding liberty & prosperity.

 

[tytlyf]

As far as I know, all present modern countries are mixed economies because the blending of capitalism and socialism tends to work out the best overall. However, the mix of each varies from country to country, as it should because the conditions in each country are not uniform.

Unbridled capitalism proved to be a disaster, thus giving rise to socialistic programs to try and correct the ills that the former created. What we do in the U.S. in this regard now would have been unheard of in the 1700-early 1900's.

So you think Mexico and Brazil have a social system to help it's people? These countries are capitalistic countries.

 

[omega2xx]

Even Medicare isn't socialism....it's just a kind of social welfare.
Socialism is about who owns the means of production.

Here's what's going on....
Socialists want to make socialism acceptable, so they like to include some widely non-socialist programs, eg, roads, national defense, welfare. This is wrong. Socialism is about government (or as they say, "the people") owning/running all factories, farms, etc.
Many right wingers want to do the same regarding the same programs, but instead to demonize socialism.
Thus, confusion results.
We must force socialists & right wingers to use dictionary definitions, & not let them deceive us with ad hoc definitions.

Bad socialist!
Bad right winger!
Bad!

Thanks. Whatever it is, I don't want America to be dictated by socialist. The ones we have are bad enough.

 

[omega2xx]

You obviously do not understand what "socialism" is as there are various forms of it. Here: Socialism - Wikipedia

Social Security is not individualized as if it were a federal savings account. Neither is Medicare. Neither are the armed services. These are government mandated and run agencies, not individual accounts. We have what economists call a "mixed economy", which is a blend of socialism and capitalism.

I don't understand all of the details, but I understand enough to know I am oppose to it. and SS is an individualized account . "We are given a number to identify our individual account

 

[omega2xx]

You apparently are not understanding what I'm saying. Those who think they don't need to improve stagnate and plateau, while those who know otherwise will rise above.

BLS has him at a total net of 10,000. Granted Obama has carefully chosen his words to give optimistic and clever spins on the those numbers, and most of the overall gains have went straight to the top, but when it comes to jobs, overall, Obama has the numbers in his favor.

Which is a huge problem. Everyone's vote should be counted and weighted equally.

It was based on the observation of outrage over Obama's use of executive orders from the Right, but with Trump, it's a permissible option.

All you rhetoric is meaningless. If he one b y one vote, that is all that is needed.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

All you rhetoric is meaningless. If he one b y one vote, that is all that is needed.

My rhetoric is sound: those who think they have no need for improvement won't. Such a lopsided "win" isn't a call for major celebration, it is begging to analyze weaknesses and find where you can improve.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

But, if Trump supporters want to assume their victory was so sound, by all means assume it was so.

 

[omega2xx]

But, if Trump supporters want to assume their victory was so sound, by all means assume it was so.

WE know it was sounder than Hillary's and that is the bottom line.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

To criticize "unbridled" capitalism is a straw man, since no one here is proposing a complete lack of regulation.

No one here, but I've read plenty of Libertarian authors of influence that do. Or, as is more common, extremely minimal regulations that just won't do any good.