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Did Biden Just Escalate Russian Tensions?

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
If it doesn't sound like a threat of regime change,
Putin could still exploit it as such for political gain.
Does it accomplish anything positive?
I don't think so.

How Biden sparked a global uproar with nine ad-libbed words about Putin
Excerpted....
WARSAW — During his presidential campaign, President Biden often reminded his audience about the heavy weight that the words of a president can carry.

“The words of a president matter,” he said more than once. “They can move markets. They can send our brave men and women to war. They can bring peace.”

They can also, as Biden discovered on Saturday, spark a global uproar in the middle of a war.

With nine ad-libbed words at the end of a 27-minute speech, Biden created an unwanted distraction to his otherwise forceful remarks by calling for Russian President Vladimir Putin to be pushed out of office.

“For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power,” Biden said.

It was a remarkable statement that would reverse stated U.S. policy, directly countering claims from senior administration officials, including Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who have insisted regime change is not on the table. It went further than even U.S. presidents during the Cold War, and immediately reverberated around the world as world leaders, diplomats, and foreign policy experts sought to determine what Biden said, what it meant — and, if he didn’t mean it, why he said it.

Shortly after the speech, a White House official sought to clarify the comments.

“The president’s point was that Putin cannot be allowed to exercise power over his neighbors or the region. He was not discussing Putin’s power in Russia or regime change,” the official said.

Biden’s line was not planned and came as a surprise to U.S. officials, according to a person familiar with the speech who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive situation. In the immediate aftermath of the remark, reporters rushed to find Biden aides and seek clarity on the president seemingly supporting a regime change in Russia.

But Biden aides demurred, refusing to comment as they scrambled to craft a response.

White House officials were adamant the remark was not a sign of a policy change, but they did concede it was just the latest example of Biden’s penchant for stumbling off message. And like many of his unintended comments, they came at the end of his speech as he ad-libbed and veered from the carefully crafted text on the teleprompter.

“The speech was quite remarkable,” said Aaron David Miller, a veteran diplomat and senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “This is one of those speeches where the one-liner in many ways drowns out the intent of the speech. Because that’s exactly what people are focusing on.”

Miller said that had the White House not immediately clarified, the comment would have led to a significant shift in policy and signaled to Putin that the United States would attempt to drive him out of office. It is unclear what the full impact of the comment may be in coming days.

“I’m risk averse by nature, especially with a guy who has nuclear weapons,” he said. “But will it have operational consequences? I don’t know.”
 

danieldemol

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If it doesn't sound like a threat of regime change,
Putin could still exploit it as such for political gain.
Well I suppose it gives Putin something to potentially quote mine if he decides to willfully ignore the clarification given, but even president's mis-speak and he didn't go so far as to suggest that US backed regime change was the means to get Putin out of power.

I still think there is a leap from (paraphrasing) "Putin can't remain in power" to "I'm going to put Putin out of power"

In my opinion.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
If it doesn't sound like a threat of regime change,
Putin could still exploit it as such for political gain.
Does it accomplish anything positive?
I don't think so.

How Biden sparked a global uproar with nine ad-libbed words about Putin
Excerpted....
WARSAW — During his presidential campaign, President Biden often reminded his audience about the heavy weight that the words of a president can carry.

“The words of a president matter,” he said more than once. “They can move markets. They can send our brave men and women to war. They can bring peace.”

They can also, as Biden discovered on Saturday, spark a global uproar in the middle of a war.

With nine ad-libbed words at the end of a 27-minute speech, Biden created an unwanted distraction to his otherwise forceful remarks by calling for Russian President Vladimir Putin to be pushed out of office.

“For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power,” Biden said.

It was a remarkable statement that would reverse stated U.S. policy, directly countering claims from senior administration officials, including Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who have insisted regime change is not on the table. It went further than even U.S. presidents during the Cold War, and immediately reverberated around the world as world leaders, diplomats, and foreign policy experts sought to determine what Biden said, what it meant — and, if he didn’t mean it, why he said it.

Shortly after the speech, a White House official sought to clarify the comments.

“The president’s point was that Putin cannot be allowed to exercise power over his neighbors or the region. He was not discussing Putin’s power in Russia or regime change,” the official said.

Biden’s line was not planned and came as a surprise to U.S. officials, according to a person familiar with the speech who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive situation. In the immediate aftermath of the remark, reporters rushed to find Biden aides and seek clarity on the president seemingly supporting a regime change in Russia.

But Biden aides demurred, refusing to comment as they scrambled to craft a response.

White House officials were adamant the remark was not a sign of a policy change, but they did concede it was just the latest example of Biden’s penchant for stumbling off message. And like many of his unintended comments, they came at the end of his speech as he ad-libbed and veered from the carefully crafted text on the teleprompter.

“The speech was quite remarkable,” said Aaron David Miller, a veteran diplomat and senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “This is one of those speeches where the one-liner in many ways drowns out the intent of the speech. Because that’s exactly what people are focusing on.”

Miller said that had the White House not immediately clarified, the comment would have led to a significant shift in policy and signaled to Putin that the United States would attempt to drive him out of office. It is unclear what the full impact of the comment may be in coming days.

“I’m risk averse by nature, especially with a guy who has nuclear weapons,” he said. “But will it have operational consequences? I don’t know.”


"For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power"

Many felt that way about Trump.
Many feel that way about Biden.

Is it more than an opinion?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Biden isn't the first to say or suggest it. If anything it will make Putin feel even more pressure. What's Putin going to do, start a war? He can't even win one.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
If it doesn't sound like a threat of regime change,
Putin could still exploit it as such for political gain.
Does it accomplish anything positive?
I don't think so.

How Biden sparked a global uproar with nine ad-libbed words about Putin
Excerpted....
WARSAW — During his presidential campaign, President Biden often reminded his audience about the heavy weight that the words of a president can carry.

“The words of a president matter,” he said more than once. “They can move markets. They can send our brave men and women to war. They can bring peace.”

They can also, as Biden discovered on Saturday, spark a global uproar in the middle of a war.

With nine ad-libbed words at the end of a 27-minute speech, Biden created an unwanted distraction to his otherwise forceful remarks by calling for Russian President Vladimir Putin to be pushed out of office.

“For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power,” Biden said.

It was a remarkable statement that would reverse stated U.S. policy, directly countering claims from senior administration officials, including Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who have insisted regime change is not on the table. It went further than even U.S. presidents during the Cold War, and immediately reverberated around the world as world leaders, diplomats, and foreign policy experts sought to determine what Biden said, what it meant — and, if he didn’t mean it, why he said it.

Shortly after the speech, a White House official sought to clarify the comments.

“The president’s point was that Putin cannot be allowed to exercise power over his neighbors or the region. He was not discussing Putin’s power in Russia or regime change,” the official said.

Biden’s line was not planned and came as a surprise to U.S. officials, according to a person familiar with the speech who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive situation. In the immediate aftermath of the remark, reporters rushed to find Biden aides and seek clarity on the president seemingly supporting a regime change in Russia.

But Biden aides demurred, refusing to comment as they scrambled to craft a response.

White House officials were adamant the remark was not a sign of a policy change, but they did concede it was just the latest example of Biden’s penchant for stumbling off message. And like many of his unintended comments, they came at the end of his speech as he ad-libbed and veered from the carefully crafted text on the teleprompter.

“The speech was quite remarkable,” said Aaron David Miller, a veteran diplomat and senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “This is one of those speeches where the one-liner in many ways drowns out the intent of the speech. Because that’s exactly what people are focusing on.”

Miller said that had the White House not immediately clarified, the comment would have led to a significant shift in policy and signaled to Putin that the United States would attempt to drive him out of office. It is unclear what the full impact of the comment may be in coming days.

“I’m risk averse by nature, especially with a guy who has nuclear weapons,” he said. “But will it have operational consequences? I don’t know.”
I think he just said what most people already think :)

I don't however think that Putin is all that concerned, I mean it can't come as a huge surprise that western leaders and especially the US president would think that it is a good idea.
 

Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
It is true that Putin cannot remain in power. He has to be personally taken down (either irreversibly out of power, or killed). He is too mentally unstable to be allowed to control armies and nuclear weapons. As long as he remains, then no nation on Earth can rest easy. He must be “neutralized”. And everybody knows it.

Biden undeniably spoke the truth. It wasn’t “diplomatic” :shrug: but I don’t care. Also he did not commit any kind of US involvement beyond weapons and relief supplies. **thumbs up** Apart from a sound bite for his opponents, this was not a big deal.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
A slip of the tongue can be inconsequential, but this seems to me an example of one that could have gone very wrong.

Biden needs to be more careful when handling a situation that has potential to escalate into a world war or a nuclear attack.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well I suppose it gives Putin something to potentially quote mine if he decides to willfully ignore the clarification given, but even president's mis-speak and he didn't go so far as to suggest that US backed regime change was the means to get Putin out of power.

I still think there is a leap from (paraphrasing) "Putin can't remain in power" to "I'm going to put Putin out of power"

In my opinion.
I see it your way.
Nonethelss, Russians & Putin fans might not.
It could exacerbate division.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I think he just said what most people already think :)

I don't however think that Putin is all that concerned, I mean it can't come as a huge surprise that western leaders and especially the US president would think that it is a good idea.
I agree.
But some opinions expressed by some people
in the most hostile way won't serve the cause.
I see the opportunity to make Putin more of the
ally & victim, & the west as the perpetrator of an
existential threat.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If it doesn't sound like a threat of regime change,
Putin could still exploit it as such for political gain.
Does it accomplish anything positive?
I don't think so.

How Biden sparked a global uproar with nine ad-libbed words about Putin
Excerpted....
WARSAW — During his presidential campaign, President Biden often reminded his audience about the heavy weight that the words of a president can carry.

“The words of a president matter,” he said more than once. “They can move markets. They can send our brave men and women to war. They can bring peace.”

They can also, as Biden discovered on Saturday, spark a global uproar in the middle of a war.

With nine ad-libbed words at the end of a 27-minute speech, Biden created an unwanted distraction to his otherwise forceful remarks by calling for Russian President Vladimir Putin to be pushed out of office.

“For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power,” Biden said.

It was a remarkable statement that would reverse stated U.S. policy, directly countering claims from senior administration officials, including Secretary of State Antony Blinken, who have insisted regime change is not on the table. It went further than even U.S. presidents during the Cold War, and immediately reverberated around the world as world leaders, diplomats, and foreign policy experts sought to determine what Biden said, what it meant — and, if he didn’t mean it, why he said it.

Shortly after the speech, a White House official sought to clarify the comments.

“The president’s point was that Putin cannot be allowed to exercise power over his neighbors or the region. He was not discussing Putin’s power in Russia or regime change,” the official said.

Biden’s line was not planned and came as a surprise to U.S. officials, according to a person familiar with the speech who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive situation. In the immediate aftermath of the remark, reporters rushed to find Biden aides and seek clarity on the president seemingly supporting a regime change in Russia.

But Biden aides demurred, refusing to comment as they scrambled to craft a response.

White House officials were adamant the remark was not a sign of a policy change, but they did concede it was just the latest example of Biden’s penchant for stumbling off message. And like many of his unintended comments, they came at the end of his speech as he ad-libbed and veered from the carefully crafted text on the teleprompter.

“The speech was quite remarkable,” said Aaron David Miller, a veteran diplomat and senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “This is one of those speeches where the one-liner in many ways drowns out the intent of the speech. Because that’s exactly what people are focusing on.”

Miller said that had the White House not immediately clarified, the comment would have led to a significant shift in policy and signaled to Putin that the United States would attempt to drive him out of office. It is unclear what the full impact of the comment may be in coming days.

“I’m risk averse by nature, especially with a guy who has nuclear weapons,” he said. “But will it have operational consequences? I don’t know.”
Biden did the right thing but his lefty puppeteers apparently are going to have none of it.

Of course Biden clearly isn't in charge of his banana republic administration.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
As much as I and many others would welcome seeing Putin no longer leading the country, what Biden said was a mistake that he may regret.
Basically Biden advocated that Putin should be removed from office by any means, and this includes assassination.
The US and USSR/Russia have been adversaries since shortly after the end of WWII. We have fought many proxie wars and came very close
to nucler war in 1962. Putin could use this statement by Biden to affect how Russian's view Putin. Russian's may not agree with what Putin is doing
but Putin is their President and a Russian and no nation, especially the U.S, has the right to tell them how to run their country.
You also don't corner a dangerous entity.
 
The ugliness of American politic has spilled out on the world stage and into other countries the name calling the mocking the lies. Politicians use to act with dignity and class on the world stage never revealing those type of thing were in the age of ugly politics.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
I agree.
But some opinions expressed by some people
in the most hostile way won't serve the cause.
I see the opportunity to make Putin more of the
ally & victim, & the west as the perpetrator of an
existential threat.
That is a possibility, but at some point I also think we have to simply call an apple an apple and not be to concerned about upsetting people. And again, I don't think Putin cares at all to be honest.

Besides that Putin and the Russians have talked **** about the west for a long time, so I don't think it makes any difference, the Russians have to get rid of him and in that case I don't think they care what Biden or anyone else think for that matter, and the war itself in Ukraine would only play a part of why they might want to do it, other things like internal issues might be reasons as well. But currently I haven't heard anyone talking about getting rid of him or anything.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
That is a possibility, but at some point I also think we have to simply call an apple an apple and not be to concerned about upsetting people. And again, I don't think Putin cares at all to be honest.
I expect leaders to say things not because it's how they
really feel, but because they have the desired effect.
War happens to a large extent because of emotions.
Leaders should manipulate those for the greater good.
Besides that Putin and the Russians have talked **** about the west for a long time, so I don't think it makes any difference, the Russians have to get rid of him and in that case I don't think they care what Biden or anyone else think for that matter, and the war itself in Ukraine would only play a part of why they might want to do it, other things like internal issues might be reasons as well. But currently I haven't heard anyone talking about getting rid of him or anything.
I don't believe that the status quo cannot be changed.
What leaders say can influence attitudes. We saw
this with Reagan & Gorbachev.
 

Nimos

Well-Known Member
I expect leaders to say things not because it's how they
really feel, but because they have the desired effect.
War happens to a large extent because of emotions.
Leaders should manipulate those for the greater good.

I don't believe that the status quo cannot be changed.
What leaders say can influence attitudes. We saw
this with Reagan & Gorbachev.
I agree, things can indeed change. The problem is that we are sort of stuck in this cold war state of distrust.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You don't coddle aggressors. You directly go for them.
That doesn't address your claim....
"Biden did the right thing but his lefty puppeteers apparently are going to have none of it.
Of course Biden clearly isn't in charge of his banana republic administration."

What's the argument & evidence for puppeteers controlling the administration?
Who are they, & what is their agenda?
 
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