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Did Christ really exist ?

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Skywalker

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Nope, there is no difference. It is all evolution. As I said you do not understand what you are arguing again. And there is no "changing from birds into something else". A change of kinds is a creationist strawman. For example you are still an ape. Your ancient ape ancestors did not "change into something else".

And "kinds" is a garbage term that creationists cannot define. You really should try to learn a bit. Most Christians accept the fact of evolution. Only the ignorant deny it. There are no honest and informed creatonists.

Changes within kinds is different from a change of kinds. Dogs and cats are different kinds. Kinds are different kinds of beings. Just because humans and chimps have certain similarities that doesn't mean that we have a common ancestor. It means that we have a common designer.
 

Skywalker

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Nope, they are an example of macroevolution. Once again you do not understand the terms that you are abusing.

They still remained birds they didn't evolve into a different type of being. They changed into different subspecies or cousins of the same bird but they didn't turn into a being that was not avian.
 

Skywalker

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They survived sacrificed was the scientific determined reference.

You would quote the mutation/change was therefore held of an original bird species and their family had been attacked to diversify bodily form.

If you claim that variations cannot all exist within the same nature, when it does, then what is the actual point of your questions? The reality is a human self motivation to own a self claim in self life that you know it all.

That human motivation was a teaching to state the reason why life gets destroyed by a human belief that they can know everything. And then you would wonder why a human is motivated to own that claim.

Then it arrives to self human presence, self thinking ability and I want to personally be the inventor creator of everything. Which means in reality you want to be everything that already exists in all their natural forms as the thinker.

You would wonder what was motivating the human thinker to behave in this motivated cause.

And then come to a human conclusion that the original human scientist who made all of the science claims whilst natural in its highest states existed is now possessed by his own science thoughts today. As his owned human scientific thinking origins...as a falsification of his owned human ideals.

As a self teaching assessment, the ability to understand human behaviour in human life.

Variations can exist within the same nature. That is microevolution. Variations can't change into a different nature.
 

Subduction Zone

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Changes within kinds is different from a change of kinds. Dogs and cats are different kinds. Kinds are different kinds of beings. Just because humans and chimps have certain similarities that doesn't mean that we have a common ancestor. It means that we have a common designer.
You keep using garbage terms. That does not help your argument. You and chimps are the same "kind" by any definition that creationists can come up with.

And no, there is no evidence of a common designer. I would suggest that first try to learn what is and what is not evidence. Are you willing to learn?

And what does this have to do with the OP anyway? Once again most Christians accept reality when it comes to evolution. The fact of evolution is not a denial of Jesus.
 

Subduction Zone

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They still remained birds they didn't evolve into a different type of being. They changed into different subspecies or cousins of the same bird but they didn't turn into a being that was not avian.
Correct. And they will always be birds. Just as you and all of your descendants will be mammals. In fact you and your descendants are all primates and apes too. You cannot refute that which you do not understand. There is no "change of kinds" in evolution.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The ignorance of how the justice system works is profound. Criminals get off scot free all the time, especially rapists because patriarchal judges don’t seem to believe that rape is a bad thing..
In many cases. Let's say a person has money in his hand and someone comes over and tries to take the money from him without permission. And the person says, "No! Don't take that money!" But the robber takes it by force. That person is stealing. And stealing is considered a crime. I'm saying this because a rapist forces his actions upon the victim, and usually there is no camera rolling to ascertain the crime. What is sad is when the court is leaning in a political or religious way, then it goes perhaps to a "higher court," and on and on. So -- I am truly glad to believe that there is a way higher court, or Judge than what is here now.
 

rational experiences

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Evaluation. Human stated upon all conditions.

Human..human belief. Human groups. Human.

Science I am correct as I personally designed a machine.

Designer.

Designer built.

Machine

Machine not a designer.
Machine idle.

Human designer.
Human conscious
Human thinking.

Machine no status. Designed sits idle.

Machine taken from energy mass itself.

First science lie.

Second science lie invention design is not conscious. He is.

Then he removed earth mass a second time. More energy. Converts it.

Either to a gas or for electricity.

Both masses state small amount of energy left. Gas not much energy. Electricity not much energy. Rest of energy not present as theme energy mass natural energy is mass.

Says did Christ exist.

Human thinker word owner. Word described thinks therefore Christ did not exist.

Who named Christ?
Science did

Did Christ pre exist heavenly gas? The answer would be no.

So you told self statement. Then asked self think about my statement.

As a scientist.

Exist beginning natural and mass.

God stone he quotes is spatial energy beginnings not as stone evolved to become stone.

Male quotes energy is stone in earth science. A fact.

Evolution. A hot state changed by. Colder state.

Science said space cold changed God gas.

Science said giant life previously living inside heavenly body as humans do evolved.

He lies.

Dinosaurs give life as dinosaur

Apes have apes.

To compare. A human choice

Bone structure human looked ape like

Intelligent medical advice because human genetics lost presence in human cell formation.

To look like is not being.

Intelligence. History. Do not do science does not make you an intelligent human scientist today.

Fact egotism a human condition.

Says I know it all. Yet don't. Says I will experiment to know it all. Yet destroys natural states. To own knowing for controlled sciences. Reactions. Destroyer warning to self.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Theme lying.

Bio life.

Giant life science bio theme dinosaurs. Past bio term.

Human life now living.
Today giant theme O large Phi circles.

Is not being honest.
 

Skywalker

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You keep using garbage terms. That does not help your argument. You and chimps are the same "kind" by any definition that creationists can come up with.

And no, there is no evidence of a common designer. I would suggest that first try to learn what is and what is not evidence. Are you willing to learn?

And what does this have to do with the OP anyway? Once again most Christians accept reality when it comes to evolution. The fact of evolution is not a denial of Jesus.

Humans and chimps are a different kind. Blue jays and robins are different varieties. The evidence of a common designer is that similarities between people and chimps are like similarities between different paintings.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
Correct. And they will always be birds. Just as you and all of your descendants will be mammals. In fact you and your descendants are all primates and apes too. You cannot refute that which you do not understand. There is no "change of kinds" in evolution.

Then how can Darwin be right about macroevolution?
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Humans and chimps are a different kind. Blue jays and robins are different varieties. The evidence of a common designer is that similarities between people and chimps are like similarities between different paintings.
Nope, your standards are not consistent. If blue jays and robins are different varieties then by the same standard so are humans and chimps.

Once again you do not understand the concept of evidence. Would you like to start your education with that? You really need to drop the terribly ignorant arguments if you want to get anywhere.
 

Subduction Zone

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Then how can Darwin be right about macroevolution?

What do you mean by that question? I don't think you understood what Darwin proposed.

Please drop bogus undefined terms such as "kinds" that might be a good start.

In fact let's go over the basics. Once you understand the basics of science it is not that difficult to understand all of the sciences.
 

Skywalker

Well-Known Member
What do you mean by that question? I don't think you understood what Darwin proposed.

Please drop bogus undefined terms such as "kinds" that might be a good start.

In fact let's go over the basics. Once you understand the basics of science it is not that difficult to understand all of the sciences.

I was asking how can Darwin be right about one kind of being becoming a different kind of being?

Why do you disagree with the term kinds? Plants and animals and fungi are different kinds of beings. What basics of science you want to discuss and think I don't understand?
 

Skywalker

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Nope, your standards are not consistent. If blue jays and robins are different varieties then by the same standard so are humans and chimps.

Once again you do not understand the concept of evidence. Would you like to start your education with that? You really need to drop the terribly ignorant arguments if you want to get anywhere.

Humans and chimps look very different in comparison to blue jays and robins. Animals sense that we are different. That's why orcas and sharks don't view people as prey like they do other beings because they sense we aren't the same type of being as them.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I was asking how can Darwin be right about one kind of being becoming a different kind of being?

Why do you disagree with the term kinds? Plants and animals and fungi are different kinds of beings. What basics of science you want to discuss and think I don't understand?
"Kind" is as meaningless term.

Tell me, how do you tell if two different populations of organisms are the same "kind" or not?
 
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