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Did Hillary Clinton have any Chance at Winning?

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
If so, if you had had the opportunity to run her campaign, what should she have done different?
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
I think she did, but she was way too soft on the opposition. Politics really is like making sausage; it's dirty, nasty and requires much unpleasantness. Clinton tried to maintain the "higher moral ground", but I don't think there is any such thing-- politics is too dirty.

If you don't play on an equal playing field, you will lose-- as she did.

I think if she'd have shown she was made of stronger stuff? She might very well have won.

It's hard to say, though-- the trumpRapist really did take the low road down a path I did not think would stand.

I still am amazed that the video of trump making fun of a disabled person, did not end his Spotlight Career right at that moment! I literally cannot understand how that did not destroy all his chances, right then and there... how anyone can justify voting for him after that moment? I just ... cannot fathom.

But it didn't end there--- trump actually got worse and worse.... ! "grab'em by the ---" and worse...

Clinton did not push against her opposing forces nearly hard enough. She should have called out Sanders for his many lies, right off the bat, and then pushed hard against the GOP.

She was way too soft, and because she was a "she"? That was her undoing, IMO.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
I think she did, but she was way too soft on the opposition. Politics really is like making sausage; it's dirty, nasty and requires much unpleasantness. Clinton tried to maintain the "higher moral ground", but I don't think there is any such thing-- politics is too dirty.

If you don't play on an equal playing field, you will lose-- as she did.

I think if she'd have shown she was made of stronger stuff? She might very well have won.

It's hard to say, though-- the trumpRapist really did take the low road down a path I did not think would stand.

I still am amazed that the video of trump making fun of a disabled person, did not end his Spotlight Career right at that moment! I literally cannot understand how that did not destroy all his chances, right then and there... how anyone can justify voting for him after that moment? I just ... cannot fathom.

But it didn't end there--- trump actually got worse and worse.... ! "grab'em by the ---" and worse...

Clinton did not push against her opposing forces nearly hard enough. She should have called out Sanders for his many lies, right off the bat, and then pushed hard against the GOP.

She was way too soft, and because she was a "she"? That was her undoing, IMO.

So maybe the media's fault?

Like with Stormy Daniels, the more time the press spends on it, the higher his popularity rating. I mean Hillary depending on the negativity in the press about Trump. It seemed to make Trump all the more popular. Which was counter-intuitive.

So Hillary should have tried to meet Trump on the low road? Catered to the deplorables?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
She should have called out Sanders for his many lies, right off the bat,

Also, what Sanders lies? Sorry for being uninformed here, I didn't follow the primaries much.

I know of a number of Democrats though who simply didn't vote because they felt the primary was stolen from Bernie.
 

Quetzal

A little to the left and slightly out of focus.
Premium Member
If so, if you had had the opportunity to run her campaign, what should she have done different?
Yes, she had a chance. She really needed to speak to concerns of individual people: H.E.N. (healthcare, education, natural resources). The republican platform is pathetically weak in these areas. Lay out general ideas/platforms that enforce these areas and reiterate how these areas help people. Be prepared to answer basic questions such as: How will the budget change? When can I expect these areas to go into effect? How will you negotiate with the Republicans to help ensure these things happen? etc.
 
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bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
If so, if you had had the opportunity to run her campaign, what should she have done different?

If I am a person to go by yes she did. I voted for Gary Johnson but after the RNC and DNC, I was opposed to the Republicans and Hyped up by the positivism of the Democrats for a short week I was heavily considering voting for Hilary. Then she kept the negative campaigning, she let others speak for her. The others were all better than her. She kept alienating any one that would side with her beliefs or those or her party. One week after the DNC I was done with her for good, I had been done with Donald Trump way before that. I through my support into Gary Johnson.
 

WalterTrull

Godfella
She might have been able to win. More likely Bernie would have won against the Donald. I don't think the Democrats realized how many people really, really disliked Hilary.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
If so, if you had had the opportunity to run her campaign, what should she have done different?
Not that I would support Hillary personally, but if I were to be a person running her campaign I'd suggest avoiding tabloid banter like the plague and just speak about the issues and intentions for addressing them like they used to in the old days, when campaigning didn't look and carry on like a reality show soap opera like it does today.

That would have helped immensely if she actually had a positive history to look back on with an established constituency that can back her up. It seemed most of her efforts were covering up rather than cleaning up which in my opinion killed her career.
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
If so, if you had had the opportunity to run her campaign, what should she have done different?

She was an oligarch with the arrogant personality of a nearly dead fish, a history of enabling sexual abuse, and many personal problems including, apparently, alcoholism, and other heath problems. So the question is, how the hell did she ever get that close to being elected. Ans: The Establishment's endorsement of its most notorious Useful Idiot.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
She might have been able to win. More likely Bernie would have won against the Donald. I don't think the Democrats realized how many people really, really disliked Hilary.
While she's easy to dislike it's remarkable that she didn't win given the difference in the popular vote. After all the chat about how poor her campaign was and how she was a terrible candidate it still remains that she won the poll by about the same margin as Obama led Romney.
 

WalterTrull

Godfella
While she's easy to dislike it's remarkable that she didn't win given the difference in the popular vote. After all the chat about how poor her campaign was and how she was a terrible candidate it still remains that she won the poll by about the same margin as Obama led Romney.
Yeah, probably the Russians did it.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Done more to squelch the polls putting her as 90+% odds of winning. Turn out amongst her supporters was very low, I believe that over confidence was the main factor.
Tom
Agree 100%, Tom. Yes, the other things she has endlessly alluded to influenced the election, but I have yet to hear her tackle voter apathy.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
She was an oligarch with the arrogant personality of a nearly dead fish, a history of enabling sexual abuse, and many personal problems including, apparently, alcoholism, and other heath problems. So the question is, how the hell did she ever get that close to being elected. Ans: The Establishment's endorsement of its most notorious Useful Idiot.

So I take it you felt she never had a chance.

Anybody, you think likely to win the Democratic primaries/election in 2020? A little more than two years away, who's the top pick?
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
While she's easy to dislike it's remarkable that she didn't win given the difference in the popular vote. After all the chat about how poor her campaign was and how she was a terrible candidate it still remains that she won the poll by about the same margin as Obama led Romney.

Sure, I understand but she didn't win the college. What should she have done to win the college? Or maybe you feel the electoral college is too rigged for her to have won regardless of her campaign strategy.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Not that I would support Hillary personally, but if I were to be a person running her campaign I'd suggest avoiding tabloid banter like the plague and just speak about the issues and intentions for addressing them like they used to in the old days, when campaigning didn't look and carry on like a reality show soap opera like it does today.

That would have helped immensely if she actually had a positive history to look back on with an established constituency that can back her up. It seemed most of her efforts were covering up rather than cleaning up which in my opinion killed her career.

Maybe it was Trump. I mean to your point, it did turn out to be like a reality show. Where the bad boy/girl often is the more popular participant. So it was just a natural element for Trump.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
Sure, I understand but she didn't win the college. What should she have done to win the college? Or maybe you feel the electoral college is too rigged for her to have won regardless of her campaign strategy.
She could have campaigned as if she wasn't entirely sure she was going to walk it.
 
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