Did Jesus and or Mary ever believe in Trinity?

[paarsurrey]

No it was ratified. To even vote on something mean it already exists.

Trinity existed they say in many nations, the voting would have been done to include it in Christianity, as Jesus and or Mary did not believe in it. They did it unauthorized from Jesus or Mary. Right? Please
Regards

 

[Reggie Miller]

Jesus did not say. Jesus wrote nothing that has reached us, he dictated nothing that has reached us, he authorized nobody to write on his behalf. Please
Regards

On the contrary He commanded His disciples to testify of all they had seen and heard of Him.

 

[Reggie Miller]

Because it was already the practice of the Church which came before the Gospels.

Yes, because of John the Baptist. He baptized for the remission of sins only. Check the book of Acts. Before Christ no one baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.

 

[pearl]

The NT he never even dreamed it would ever rise.

This is true only because He may have expected the fullness of the kingdom within his lifetime, as did the apostles. Not until they died off was there concern to collect Jesus' teachings in a gospel for future generations.

 

[Ben Avraham]

This is true only because He may have expected the fullness of the kingdom within his lifetime, as did the apostles. Not until they died off was there concern to collect Jesus' teachings in a gospel for future generations.

And where is this gospel of Jesus' teachings collected for future generations? Come on! The gospel of Jesus was the Tanach and he did not reserve it for future generations but he taught to his own generation.

 

[paarsurrey]

This is true only because He may have expected the fullness of the kingdom within his lifetime, as did the apostles. Not until they died off was there concern to collect Jesus' teachings in a gospel for future generations.

Why make a guess about Jesus? Isn't Jesus a Christian-god? Please don't make him a helpless person and don't make any speculation for what he had to do during his lifetime by fixing his duties.Right? Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

On the contrary He commanded His disciples to testify of all they had seen and heard of Him.

This is a made-up narration. Jesus knew as to how to read and write. Right? Please
Regards

 

[Reggie Miller]

This is a made-up narration. Jesus knew as to how to read and write. Right? Please
Regards

No, it isn't made up. It is accepted by all of the Christian Churches throughout the world and about 2.2 billion adherents as of 2010.

I think I'll go along with the 2.2 billion rather than you.

 

[Muffled]

Did Jesus and or Mary ever believed in Trinity?

Jesus and Mary could never believe in Trinity. It is a pagan concept. Right? Please
Regards

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#107 adrianhindes, thanks andregards to him.
#109 paarsurrey, one may like to read both the post, please

I believe I told you before Jesus instituted the Trinity so of course He believed in it. Mary had the Trinity related to her but that does not equate to belief. All one can do is assume that as a godly person she would believe in it.

 

[Muffled]

There is no such trinity mentioned in the Holy Bible neither did Jesus nor Mary believe in anything but one God. It's a man made doctrine.

I believe your concept is man made and the Trinity is God made.

 

[Muffled]

Yes in some form...I get the impression that God is three seperate things but work as one.

Matt 28:18

The Great Commission
…Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,

I believe God is not three things. The Nicene creed makes this clear, "one substance."

 

[Kemosloby]

I believe God is not three things. The Nicene creed makes this clear, "one substance."

Nicene creed is just something some non apostles agreed on. It has no authority. You have to go with what the Apostles taught, if it even matters. Since it's sort of here nor there whether they are all one or three separate, what's got to do with us anyway?

 

[pearl]

Now, regarding the Pharisees, the definition is that the Sect of the Pharisees was the Sect of the separated ones. One of the distinctions from the other sects of Judaism was that they would never accept a Hellenistic Jew to join the Sect. Therefore, that was Paul's second lie about the reason why he was arrested. Because he was a Hellenistic Jew and obviously could not be a Pharisee.

Josephus ("B. J." ii. 8, § 14; "Ant." xiii. 5, § 9; xviii. 1, § 3) carefully avoids mentioning the most essential doctrine of the Pharisees, the Messianic hope, which the Sadducees did not share with them; while for the Essenes time and conditions were predicted in their apocalyptic writings. Instead, Josephus merely says that "they ascribe everything to fate without depriving man of his freedom of action." This idea is expressed by Akiba: "Everything is foreseen [that is, predestined]; but at the same time freedom is given" (Abot iii. 15). Akiba, however, declares, "The world is judged by grace [not by blind fate nor by the Pauline law], and everything is determined by man's actions [not by blind acceptance of certain creeds]." Similar to Josephus' remark is the rabbinical saying, "All is decreed by God except fear of God" (Ber. 33b). "Man may act either virtuously or viciously, and his rewards or punishmentsin the future shall be accordingly" ("Ant." xviii. 1, § 3). This corresponds with the "two ways of the Jewish teaching" (Ab. R. N. xxv.; see Didache). But it was not the immortality of the soul which the Pharisees believed in, as Josephus puts it, but the resurrection of the body as expressed in the liturgy (see Resurrection), and this formed part of their Messianic hope (see Eschatology).

In contradistinction to the Sadducees, who were satisfied with the political life committed to their own power as the ruling dynasty, the Pharisees represented the views and hopes of the people.
PHARISEES - JewishEncyclopedia.com

 

[Reggie Miller]

Josephus ("B. J." ii. 8, § 14; "Ant." xiii. 5, § 9; xviii. 1, § 3) carefully avoids mentioning the most essential doctrine of the Pharisees, the Messianic hope, which the Sadducees did not share with them; while for the Essenes time and conditions were predicted in their apocalyptic writings. Instead, Josephus merely says that "they ascribe everything to fate without depriving man of his freedom of action." This idea is expressed by Akiba: "Everything is foreseen [that is, predestined]; but at the same time freedom is given" (Abot iii. 15). Akiba, however, declares, "The world is judged by grace [not by blind fate nor by the Pauline law], and everything is determined by man's actions [not by blind acceptance of certain creeds]." Similar to Josephus' remark is the rabbinical saying, "All is decreed by God except fear of God" (Ber. 33b). "Man may act either virtuously or viciously, and his rewards or punishmentsin the future shall be accordingly" ("Ant." xviii. 1, § 3). This corresponds with the "two ways of the Jewish teaching" (Ab. R. N. xxv.; see Didache). But it was not the immortality of the soul which the Pharisees believed in, as Josephus puts it, but the resurrection of the body as expressed in the liturgy (see Resurrection), and this formed part of their Messianic hope (see Eschatology).

In contradistinction to the Sadducees, who were satisfied with the political life committed to their own power as the ruling dynasty, the Pharisees represented the views and hopes of the people.
PHARISEES - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Or rather they caused the people to cow down to them and give them glory instead of God.

 

[pearl]

Yes, because of John the Baptist. He baptized for the remission of sins only. Check the book of Acts. Before Christ no one baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.

And John stated;
I am baptizing you with water, for repentance, but the one who is coming after me is mightier than I. I am not worthy to carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the holy Spirit and fire. Mt 3:11.
Remember the Gospels were written after the practice, and reflect the early baptismal creed.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I believe your concept is man made and the Trinity is God made.

There is no mention of the trinity in the Holy Bible. That's a dogma of the church.

Christianity is divided amongst itself into over 40,000 contradicting sects disagreeing strongly with each other from issues ranging from the Divinity of Jesus to the Pope to the trinity.

Unfortunately, the confusion and disagreements among Christians today means if you want to know the meaning of the Bible, the very last people you ask are the confused Christians who cannot even unite around one Jesus and one Book or speak with one voice.

The trinity is just one of thousands of confusions Christians have about the Bible.

 

[Shad]

Trinity existed they say in many nations, the voting would have been done to include it in Christianity,

No it was to clarify doctrine of an emerging Church that was divided.

as Jesus and or Mary did not believe in it. They did it unauthorized from Jesus or Mary. Right? Please

Empty claim based on zero evidence.

 

[Shad]

There is no mention of the trinity in the Holy Bible. That's a dogma of the church.

I have shown it was there. However people like yourself that lack reading comprehension need it to literal say "trinity"

Christianity is divided amongst itself into over 40,000 contradicting sects disagreeing strongly with each other from issues ranging from the Divinity of Jesus to the Pope to the trinity.

This just shows how ignorant you are of Christianity. Most of the divides are solely based on organization levels, nothing more

Unfortunately, the confusion and disagreements among Christians today means if you want to know the meaning of the Bible, the very last people you ask are the confused Christians who cannot even unite around one Jesus and one Book or speak with one voice.

Yes so lets go ask a Baha'i that knows nothing about the subject instead....

The trinity is just one of thousands of confusions Christians have about the Bible.

Except it is not even a minor issue anymore and has not been for 18 centuries. So much for you expertise on the subject.

 

[Reggie Miller]

And John stated;
I am baptizing you with water, for repentance, but the one who is coming after me is mightier than I. I am not worthy to carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the holy Spirit and fire. Mt 3:11.
Remember the Gospels were written after the practice, and reflect the early baptismal creed.

So what's your point. That's what I said.

 

[Shad]

Probably best to rethink this, but it you want to stick with it, okey dokey.

You said Trinity was voted into being, your words. Yet the idea existed prior to this as I have pointed out already.

Don't you wish need.


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Not really as I am not Christian at all. It seems like you need your view as it is probably a basis for your rejection while mine is due to completely different reasons.