samgeorge11
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Just a simple question, Did Jesus ever ask(or hint) that people should worship him? Do any of the Protestants or Roman Catholic books say so?
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samgeorge11 said:Just a simple question, Did Jesus ever ask(or hint) that people should worship him? Do any of the Protestants or Roman Catholic books say so?
ThisShouldMakeSense said:No he didn't. he directed all the glory and worhip to his father. i don't believe he was God tho, and that's where alot of other people disagree. he even called his father his God. and it's clear from christs temptations after his baptism, when satan wanted an act of worship from him, that jesus said that it is God that should be worshipped. Matthew 4:10
Then Jesus told him, "Go away, Satan! For it is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve only Him."
Very well stated. I wish I had your command of words!michel said:Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Only God is to be worshipped. To "worship" means, literally, to "bow down to the will of the one being worshipped," and it is God's will with which we must be concerned, not that of any creature of God. The sin of the devil was his desire to be worshipped and obeyed as God.This verse( Revelation, above) is the only place where the phrase "the testimony of Jesus" appears in the Bible, and also the only place where the phrase "the Spirit of prophecy" appears. Thus, a true prophet, inspired by the Holy Spirit, will testify that God was indeed incarnate in the man Jesus (1 John 2:22; 4:1-3). Therefore, Jesus is God and is to be worshipped, but He alone.
I Think your views make some real sense. Jesus never directly(or indirectly) asked people to worship him. All he said to them was " Worship Lord, who is my Lord and yours". Even I'm of the strong opinion that he wasn't god, rather a messenger or a phrophet.ThisShouldMakeSense said:No he didn't. he directed all the glory and worhip to his father. i don't believe he was God tho, and that's where alot of other people disagree. he even called his father his God. and it's clear from christs temptations after his baptism, when satan wanted an act of worship from him, that jesus said that it is God that should be worshipped. Matthew 4:10
Then Jesus told him, "Go away, Satan! For it is written: Worship the Lord your God, and serve only Him."
Why would God want to incarnate in a commoner and make people believe and worship him(the commoner or Prophet) rather than God himself? It can be ill received as God is renouncing his "tittle."michel said:This verse( Revelation, above) is the only place where the phrase "the testimony of Jesus" (about Jesus) appears in the Bible, and also the only place where the phrase "the Spirit of prophecy" appears. Thus, a true prophet, inspired by the Holy Spirit, will testify that God was indeed incarnate in the man Jesus (1 John 2:22; 4:1-3). Therefore, Jesus is God and is to be worshipped, but He alone.
michel said:Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
Only God is to be worshipped. To "worship" means, literally, to "bow down to the will of the one being worshipped," and it is God's will with which we must be concerned, not that of any creature of God. The sin of the devil was his desire to be worshipped and obeyed as God.
This verse( Revelation, above) is the only place where the phrase "the testimony of Jesus" (about Jesus) appears in the Bible, and also the only place where the phrase "the Spirit of prophecy" appears. Thus, a true prophet, inspired by the Holy Spirit, will testify that God was indeed incarnate in the man Jesus (1 John 2:22; 4:1-3). Therefore, Jesus is God and is to be worshipped, but He alone.
glasgowchick said:Jesus has to be worshipped and he accepted worship..
No, Jesus taught that only God should be worshipped. Jesus did not teach he was God.samgeorge11 said:Just a simple question, Did Jesus ever ask(or hint) that people should worship him? Do any of the Protestants or Roman Catholic books say so?
samgeorge11 said:Just a simple question, Did Jesus ever ask(or hint) that people should worship him? Do any of the Protestants or Roman Catholic books say so?
may said:
Jesus himself referred to his Father as "the only true God." (John 17:3) Jehovah himself said: "Besides me there is no God." (Isa. 44:6) The apostle Paul wrote that, to true Christians, "there is . . . one God the Father." (1 Cor. 8:5, 6) So Jehovah is unique; no one else shares his position. Jehovah stands in utter contrast to all such objects of worship as idols, deified humans, and Satan. All these are false gods.
Jesus is spoken of in the Scriptures as "a god," even as "Mighty God." (John 1:1; Isa. 9:6) But nowhere is he spoken of as being Almighty, as Jehovah is. (Gen. 17:1) Jesus is said to be "the reflection of [Gods] glory," but the Father is the Source of that glory. (Heb. 1:3) Jesus in no way seeks the position of his Father. He said: "It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service." (Luke 4:8) He exists "in Gods form," and the Father has commanded that "in the name of Jesus every knee should bend," but this is all done "to the glory of God the Father."Phil. 2:5-11
ThisShouldMakeSense said:actually, you'll find that Jesus never accepted the worship that belonged to his father. show me a scripture where Jesus was worshipped in that manner. i'm not talking about ones that say that 'every knee shall bend', as that is not worship...
The greek here is proskuneo which means:glasgowchick said:Mathew 14:31.33 Jesus immediately reach out and grabbed him, " you of little faith" Jesus said, " why do you doubt me" 32 when they climbed back into the boat the wind stopped 33 then the disciples WORSHIPED HIM You really are the Son of God...
john313 said:The greek here is proskuneo which means:
1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
2) among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
a) used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank
1) to the Jewish high priests
2) to God
3) to Christ 4) to heavenly beings
5) to demons
This clearly does not mean they think he is God.
The same word is used in the rest of the quotes except your last one, John 5:23. It uses timao which is translated:
1) to estimate, fix the value
a) for the value of something belonging to one's self
2) to honour, to have in honour, to revere, venerate
This has nothing to do with worship and would be more accurately translated as honor.
The translations you have read are quite misleading and it seems their agenda is to make people believe Jesus is worthy of worship when it is simply not the case.
Good post i agreejohn313 said:The greek here is proskuneo which means:
1) to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence
2) among the Orientals, esp. the Persians, to fall upon the knees and touch the ground with the forehead as an expression of profound reverence
3) in the NT by kneeling or prostration to do homage (to one) or make obeisance, whether in order to express respect or to make supplication
a) used of homage shown to men and beings of superior rank
1) to the Jewish high priests
2) to God
3) to Christ 4) to heavenly beings
5) to demons
This clearly does not mean they think he is God.
The same word is used in the rest of the quotes except your last one, John 5:23. It uses timao which is translated:
1) to estimate, fix the value
a) for the value of something belonging to one's self
2) to honour, to have in honour, to revere, venerate
This has nothing to do with worship and would be more accurately translated as honor.
The translations you have read are quite misleading and it seems their agenda is to make people believe Jesus is worthy of worship when it is simply not the case.