Did Jesus Ever Claim To Be G-D?

[idav]

What about the claim he made in Thomas?

The verses I refer to started with just that sort of claim but he pointed to scripture, old testament, that says ye are gods, all children of the most high. Therefore we are all one with god. Pantheism for the win.

John 10
*30*I and the Father are one.”31*Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him,*32*but Jesus said to them,*“I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”33*“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”34*Jesus answered them,*“Is it not written in your Law,*‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]?*

 

[CynthiaCypher]

The verses I refer to started with just that sort of claim but he pointed to scripture, old testament, that says ye are gods, all children of the most high. Therefore we are all one with god. Pantheism for the win.

John 10
*30*I and the Father are one.”31*Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him,*32*but Jesus said to them,*“I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”33*“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”34*Jesus answered them,*“Is it not written in your Law,*‘I have said you are “gods”’[d]?*

He does make that same pantheistic claim in Thomas. But still Jesus is claiming to be one with God amongst people who are decidedly not pantheistic. To say you are one with God is still claiming that you are God.

So yes! Pantheism for the win. Jesus was a pantheist.

 

[idav]

He does make that same pantheistic claim in Thomas. But still Jesus is claiming to be one with God amongst people who are decidedly not pantheistic. To say you are one with God is still claiming that you are God.

So yes! Pantheism for the win. Jesus was a pantheist.

Yes but he still differentiated from the father. We are one with god. There is a source and in other verses explained that he is not the source. We are children of it making us a part of everything via the source.

 

[Pegg]

He does make that same pantheistic claim in Thomas. But still Jesus is claiming to be one with God amongst people who are decidedly not pantheistic. To say you are one with God is still claiming that you are God.

So yes! Pantheism for the win. Jesus was a pantheist.

Jesus also told his disciples that they must all be one.

I dont think he meant that they are all the same person. Rather he wanted them to be 'unified' just as he was unified with the Father.

Besides, the gospel of Thomas is an apocryphal writing... it was not authorised by the Apostles which is why it was not considered to be inspired by God.

 

[Cordoba]

In fact, God will ask Jesus, peace be upon him, this question on the Day of Judgement:

"And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah ?'""

And Jesus will respond:

"He will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen." (The Quran, 5:116)

Jesus will then continue his answer saying:

"I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness." (The Quran, 5:117)

 

[idav]

Besides, the gospel of Thomas is an apocryphal writing... it was not authorised by the Apostles which is why it was not considered to be inspired by God.

Gospel of Thomas is just the sayings of Jesus which I don't think contradict the sayings as found in the chosen gospels. Was just too gnostic pantheistic for their tastes. Didn't agree with their conception of the trinity. To me the trinity just made it more complicated than it needed to be.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

This is similar to an on going thread.

I am curious regarding the answers.

If he did please cite where.

John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

I suppose that's not Jesus literally saying it though, but the belief is certainly present in the Gospel.

Here Jesus invokes the name of God in identifying Himself.

John 8:58 - “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Yes and No!

Yes in the same sense that Moses is a god according to scriptures:

"And the LORD said to Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet." Exodus 7:1

"He will speak to the people for you, and it will be as if he were your mouth and as if you were God to him." Exodus 4:16

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Here Jesus invokes the name of God in identifying Himself.

John 8:58 - “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

Here it is not the individual Jesus who is saying “before Abraham was born, I am!. It is God who has Manifested in Jesus is saying “before Abraham was born, I am!....And the way God had manifested Himself in Jesus, was by creating Jesus as a perfectly polished Mirror who was showing the image of God who was in heaven.

 

[CMike]

More input?

 

[arcanum]

More input?

Well I'll say it again, the only gospel where Jesus makes any such claims about himself is the gospel of John, which was the last one written and the least reliable historically. Compared to the other gospels it's almost as though that gospel is portraying a totally different person, a different Jesus. It's that different, simply put Jesus just doesn't talk like that in the synoptic gospels. Not only does he make rather eyebrow raising claims about himself, it's also the most anti Semitic in tone. Though it has some great pearls of wisdom and is profound in it's own right, it is probably the least reflective of what Jesus actually said and taught. Read Mark, where when he does heal someone he tells them not to tell anyone, then go on to John and see how different Jesus is portrayed in each gospel.

 

[Muffled]

Yes, Jesus said he was one with God. But he never claimed to be the God Yahweh, the creator god.

I believe only God can be one with God because God is one.

 

[Muffled]

According to the Christian scriptures? More or less. Historically? There is no evidence, and my guess is that he likely never said any such thing.

I still live and I did say it.

 

[Muffled]

From our earliest Gospel besides GoMark:

Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am All: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.

Split a piece of wood; I am there.

Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

Jesus is saying that he is the All. He is not claiming to be Yahweh. He is claiming he is the All in All

I believe He is claiming to be the creator of the universe which is what Yahweh is.

 

[Levite]

I still live and I did say it.

If you're really Jesus, explain it to me in Aramaic.

 

[paarsurrey]

This is similar to an on going thread.

I am curious regarding the answers.

If he did please cite where.

Jesus never claimed to be literal and physical god or son of god. He might have claimed in terms of the Torah which says for every Jew as god or son of god in metaphoric sense. Paul (and his associates) exploited such words and tried to make him god or son of god in literal and physical terms.

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Yes, Jesus said he was one with God. But he never claimed to be the God Yahweh, the creator god.

I agree with you here.

Regards

 

[RAYYAN]

 

[Desert Snake]

Jesus in man form is the incarnated form of 'G-d', the 'father', so yes, of course Jeshua claimed to be G-d; that is why in the Bible Jeshua is called 'G-d' many times, and specifically so. If we go by the 'Hebrew terms' to English (Greek) terms' for deity, like many want to do, Jeshua is specifically called the general term for 'G-d', ie Elohim, and the other title that many ascribe only to the 'father', ie JHVH.
The confusion arises because Xianity is a different type of religion from those that don't allow Deity manifestation, so 'theories' and explanations arise as to how this can't happen.

 

[Nada]

No.