Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

[The Sum of Awe]

God is all powerful, why make a man just to die to save everyone when he could just do it by thinking it happening?

Yes, I know I will get a lot of comments saying "Jesus is no man! He is God!" Well, technically isn't he a demigod? Half man half God? And even if you don't consider him to be, it just made people suffer from sadness, especially Mary the mother of Jesus.

 

[Alex_G]

The idea of human sacrifice never sits well with me. I think empathy elicited can be real, but by no means is that 'good' a legitimate justification for the forced closure of some1ns life.

 

[Levite]

Did Jesus really have to die for our sins?

Well...since we Jews don't think such a thing as "dying for our sins" is possible, our answer is "no."

 

[1137]

God is all powerful, why make a man just to die to save everyone when he could just do it by thinking it happening?

Yes, I know I will get a lot of comments saying "Jesus is no man! He is God!" Well, technically isn't he a demigod? Half man half God? And even if you don't consider him to be, it just made people suffer from sadness, especially Mary the mother of Jesus.

Apparently the answer is yes, Jesus had to die for our sins. Logic disagrees, but scripture agrees. One has to decide if logic or scripture is above the other. To my surprise, most people would actually pick logic over scripture.

 

[Pegg]

justification for Adams wrongdoing required it. What God did was give mankind a new father who was exactly like Adam, human and perfect, so that mankind can choose to either keep their imperfect father Adam by following Adams example, or choose to follow the example of Jesus and become children of Jesus, a perfect sinless man thus putting themselves in line for being viewed as perfect and sinless so that death can be done away with.

1Cor 15:21 For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a man. 22 For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive

If Adam remained sinless, he would not have died and nor would his children. Because Jesus did remain sinless, those who want to be his children can have life. This is how God legally establishes redemption for Adams children.

 

[geoff29]

Is it possible that by having a metaphorical "son" undergo the most extremely agonizing suffering death, we have been shown that no person is exempt from sorrow in this life, and God's "son" serves as proof? It's not that Jesus Christ is any more son than the rest of us, it's only that he more than many was not given an "easy" solution, when, apparently, he may have been.

 

[waitasec]

if jesus died an old man and of natural causes, was he really god?
why does a god have to be murdered/sacrificed in order for god to be god?
but wait a second...how can god die...?

 

[Thief]

Whether the Carpenter was God ...or not....
Scapegoating doesn't work.

He did not die for our sins.

He died because He was accused of insurrection.
Someone pointed a finger and said....
'....king of the Jews....'

Rome was not in the business of controlling religious faiths.
There was only Caesar.
Allowing anyone to call you a king.....would be a 'problem'.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

if jesus died an old man and of natural causes, was he really god?
why does a god have to be murdered/sacrificed in order for god to be god?
but wait a second...how can god die...?

He was in a human body though

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Whether the Carpenter was God ...or not....
Scapegoating doesn't work.

He did not die for our sins.

He died because He was accused of insurrection.
Someone pointed a finger and said....
'....king of the Jews....'

Rome was not in the business of controlling religious faiths.
There was only Caesar.
Allowing anyone to call you a king.....would be a 'problem'.

But if he knew they were coming, why not just escape?

 

[Thief]

But if he knew they were coming, why not just escape?

There was no escape.

If He simply disappeared...then what?
Most people having heard and seen, would then see Him 'run away'.
And that would do what for the many things He said and did?

 

[mr black]

justification for Adams wrongdoing required it. What God did was give mankind a new father who was exactly like Adam, human and perfect, so that mankind can choose to either keep their imperfect father Adam by following Adams example, or choose to follow the example of Jesus and become children of Jesus, a perfect sinless man thus putting themselves in line for being viewed as perfect and sinless so that death can be done away with.

1Cor 15:21 For since death is through a man, resurrection of the dead is also through a man. 22 For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive

If Adam remained sinless, he would not have died and nor would his children. Because Jesus did remain sinless, those who want to be his children can have life. This is how God legally establishes redemption for Adams children.

Strange that, I thought anger was a sin.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

There was no escape.

If He simply disappeared...then what?
Most people having heard and seen, would then see Him 'run away'.
And that would do what for the many things He said and did?

He could take his followers with him.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

God is all powerful, why make a man just to die to save everyone when he could just do it by thinking it happening?

Maybe that's what he did. Maybe he created the metaphor of Jesus and planted it in our minds so that Jesus didn't really have to die. After all, if he could plant all those dinosaur bones I'm sure he could handle a metaphor or two.

 

[waitasec]

He was in a human body though

yes he was wasn't he...
but when we talk of death, what are we talking about?

for the sake of argument, lets just say jesus died for our sins...
our absolution of sins will guarantee a spiritual eternal life
then how was jesus sacrifice bear any consequence for the eternal soul as he could have died of natural causes to get the same result...

seems strange to me that he had to be sacrificed on the cross, or is it a way for the christian religion to reconcile that jesus was a false messiah and somehow this sacrifice, even though god detested human sacrifices, was more meaningful than just dying of natural causes.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

Maybe that's what he did. Maybe he created the metaphor of Jesus and planted it in our minds so that Jesus didn't really have to die. After all, if he could plant all those dinosaur bones I'm sure he could handle a metaphor or two.

If Jesus were a metaphor, there would have been no apostles, thus no Christianity.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

yes he was wasn't he...
but when we talk of death, what are we talking about?

for the sake of argument, lets just say jesus died for our sins...
our absolution of sins will guarantee a spiritual eternal life
then how was jesus sacrifice bear any consequence for the eternal soul as he could have died of natural causes to get the same result...

seems strange to me that he had to be sacrificed on the cross, or is it a way for the christian religion to reconcile that jesus was a false messiah and somehow this sacrifice, even though god detested human sacrifices, was more meaningful than just dying of natural causes.

Another good point.

 

[Thief]

He could take his followers with him.

That doesn't help....won't change the effect.
And of course...it was never a situation of.... fight or flight.

You did read the gospels....and noticed....neither happened.

 

[waitasec]

That doesn't help....won't change the effect.
And of course...it was never a situation of.... fight or flight.

interesting notion when you're talking about god

You did read the gospels....and noticed....neither happened.

why is absolution validated with a sacrifice, if jesus' death of natural causes would have had the same consequence?

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

If Jesus were a metaphor, there would have been no apostles, thus no Christianity.

Unless they had the notion planted in their head. Hey, it could happen.