LioneDea
Land of the rising sun
Dirty Penguin< What do you mean? It was translated by Jews into English. Not..Jews to Greek then Latin then English like many bibles were.
But for the record this isn't the only translation of the Tanakh I use.
Lione D ea: Because you said KJV and the NIV are based on the Septuagint meaning it is based under of Hebrew language known as Dead Sea scroll, what TCJB based it?
Dirty Penguin< You're still caught up trying to wrap your mind around something so mundane. 7:14 calls her a young woman. Remember, you agreed that a young woman (almah) wasn't explicit that it meant "virgin". As I've said before, if you look at every verse where it occurs in the CJB and other Jewish to English Tanakhs it won't say virgin. She's called young woman because she was a young woman. Anything beyond that would be speculation. Now, I must ask, Why do you keep insisting to pair 7:14 and 9:5 and continue to ignore 8:3? Is 8:3 not important to the prophecy Isaiah gave to Ahaz?
Lione D ea: I never agreed young woman as Almah in Hebrew meant she is not virgin, find and prove if I state that perspective. Because it translate in chapter 7:14 as young woman doesnt mean she is not virgin but possible she is virgin, the reason why I agree in KJV she is virgin there because God choose a young woman hadnt experience in fact that young woman there is coming from the house of David concern in chapter 7:13-14 under the law of Moses which God give a law about the manner. For that as well to knowledge for you, the verse didnt not tells you she is not virgin the reason why she is virgin in possible aspect, the child with her is in her bosom, as your implying the word WITH CHILD you conclude she has first born there, the bases which you apply is chapter 7:3, and the child she BARE is the second child, how is that happened chapter 7:14 using term as young woman and not mother if she had a first born given, no preferment was happened in her even can we call her as young- mother but did not happened. And chapter 7:14 and chapter 7:3 as your implying is contrary in chapter 9:5 because it term there as son not sons because according to your playing the first-born is with them already, in Bible opinion chapter 9:5 tells us singular meaning one son not two son, inputting your logic in young woman there had a first born given into them already, why chapter 9:5 states son not sons. Chapter 7:14; 8:3 and 9:5 are verses you showed me as your bases you hold, your implying chapter 8:3 is the child mention in chapter 7:14 and so to 9:5 is contrary itself because chapter 8:3 is the name of man a person while in chapter 7:14 and 9:5 is referring to God not god, but a mighty God. And I refute the prophecy of chapter 7:14 is not for Ahaz it is for the child remember in chapter 7:10-13 God gave him as for him a sign but ahaz ignore God give him a sign, meaning the chapter 7:14 it is not prophecy for Ahaz. Concern in chapter 7:14 the young woman mention there can you atleast prove to me when did I agree with you the young woman is not virgin because TCJB did not derive as almah?
Dirty Penguin< How does this describe Yeshua? In what way? As I've already said...When Yeshua was born this war was long over as the Romans were in control of the regions.
Lione D ea: First of all Yeshua in Hebrew correct me if Im wrong in translating is not a Man because He is existed before the earth was, he wasnt first exist in earth according to scriptures of the Apostle and Prophets. In chapter 7:17 tells us the Ephraim is turned away from Judah there concern of chapter 8:4 is specific to King of Assyria. Why it specific to the king of Assyria, because it says there:
(For, when) the lad does not yet know to call, 'Father' and 'mother,' (The Complete Jewish Bible)
Lione D ea: Therefore it tells us it will occur first the happened which the wealth of Damascus and the plunder of Samaria shall be carried off before the king of Assyria, why it carried what it does meant in chapter 7:17, 2, 5-6 Read:
The Lord shall bring upon you and upon your people and upon your father's house, days which have not come, since the day that Ephraim turned away from Judah, namely, the king of Assyria.
2. And it was told to the House of David, saying, "Aram has allied itself with Ephraim," and his heart and the heart of his people trembled as the trees of the forest tremble because of the wind.
5. Since Aram planned harm to you, Ephraim and the son of Remaliah, saying:
6. 'Let us go up against Judah and provoke it, and annex it to us; and let us crown a king in its midst, one who is good for us,' (The complete Jewish Bible)
Lione D ea: Remember in chapter 7:17 Ephraim turned away from Judah and bring together the nations in this paragraph against Judah so chapter 8:4 is certainly the king of Assyria, while the chapter 7:17 the event separation of Assyria in Judah where the house of David. 8:4 Why are not attached to chapter 8:3 to say he is Immanuel, because the verse does not say that (HE) it says (LAD), and not only was Maher-shalal-hash-baz the child mentioned in the passages, he is not the Immanuel because Immanuel is God, the Maher-shalal-hash-baz is the name of man to testify he is not the Immanuel let us read two passages in chapter 8:3 and 9:5 it says:
3 And I was intimate with the prophetess, and she conceived, and she bore a son, and the Lord said to me, "Call his name Maher-shalal-hash-baz.
5 For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."
Lione D ea: In chapter 8:3 Maher-shalal-hash-baz was born there already he was (CALL) him in his name, while in chapter 9:5 the son given in them (CALLED) his name meaning coming, the verses are clear as crystal it is not blard.
Dirty Penguin< No it doesn't. It's saying that a terrible time will be upon Judah not seen since the days of Ephraim when it was separated from Judah . Check out the way the NIV renders it.
Isaiah 7 NIV - The Sign of Immanuel - When Ahaz son of - Bible Gateway
"The LORD will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judahhe will bring the king of Assyria.
"He will bring the king of Assyria" is in reference to "The Lord". This is why I said to stop referring to Ephraim. It's not important. Verse 17 only serves as a comparison of hardship Judah will soon see. Remember, this is talking about a war.
Lione D ea: What is the happening, the verse tell us the HAPPENED of Ephraim will turned away from Judah because they will against in the House of David in chapter 7:5-6 Read:
Since Aram planned harm to you, Ephraim and the son of Remaliah, saying:
6. 'Let us go up against Judah and provoke it, and annex it to us; and let us crown a king in its midst, one who is good for us,'
Lione D ea: The verse is very clear it will happened what is the problem their brother?
Dirty Penguin< See above. Ephraim has nothing to do with it. It's only talking about the hard times Judah will experience not seen since the day when Ephraim separated from Judah . I think that story is recorded in 2 Chronicles.
Lione D ea: Isaiah 7:17 Read:
The Lord shall bring upon you and upon your people and upon your father's house, days which have not come, since the day that Ephraim turned away from Judah, namely, the king of Assyria. (The complete Jewish Bible)
Lione D ea: How do you understand the phrase NAMELY. The verse describe Ephraim as Assyria.
But for the record this isn't the only translation of the Tanakh I use.
Lione D ea: Because you said KJV and the NIV are based on the Septuagint meaning it is based under of Hebrew language known as Dead Sea scroll, what TCJB based it?
Dirty Penguin< You're still caught up trying to wrap your mind around something so mundane. 7:14 calls her a young woman. Remember, you agreed that a young woman (almah) wasn't explicit that it meant "virgin". As I've said before, if you look at every verse where it occurs in the CJB and other Jewish to English Tanakhs it won't say virgin. She's called young woman because she was a young woman. Anything beyond that would be speculation. Now, I must ask, Why do you keep insisting to pair 7:14 and 9:5 and continue to ignore 8:3? Is 8:3 not important to the prophecy Isaiah gave to Ahaz?
Lione D ea: I never agreed young woman as Almah in Hebrew meant she is not virgin, find and prove if I state that perspective. Because it translate in chapter 7:14 as young woman doesnt mean she is not virgin but possible she is virgin, the reason why I agree in KJV she is virgin there because God choose a young woman hadnt experience in fact that young woman there is coming from the house of David concern in chapter 7:13-14 under the law of Moses which God give a law about the manner. For that as well to knowledge for you, the verse didnt not tells you she is not virgin the reason why she is virgin in possible aspect, the child with her is in her bosom, as your implying the word WITH CHILD you conclude she has first born there, the bases which you apply is chapter 7:3, and the child she BARE is the second child, how is that happened chapter 7:14 using term as young woman and not mother if she had a first born given, no preferment was happened in her even can we call her as young- mother but did not happened. And chapter 7:14 and chapter 7:3 as your implying is contrary in chapter 9:5 because it term there as son not sons because according to your playing the first-born is with them already, in Bible opinion chapter 9:5 tells us singular meaning one son not two son, inputting your logic in young woman there had a first born given into them already, why chapter 9:5 states son not sons. Chapter 7:14; 8:3 and 9:5 are verses you showed me as your bases you hold, your implying chapter 8:3 is the child mention in chapter 7:14 and so to 9:5 is contrary itself because chapter 8:3 is the name of man a person while in chapter 7:14 and 9:5 is referring to God not god, but a mighty God. And I refute the prophecy of chapter 7:14 is not for Ahaz it is for the child remember in chapter 7:10-13 God gave him as for him a sign but ahaz ignore God give him a sign, meaning the chapter 7:14 it is not prophecy for Ahaz. Concern in chapter 7:14 the young woman mention there can you atleast prove to me when did I agree with you the young woman is not virgin because TCJB did not derive as almah?
Dirty Penguin< How does this describe Yeshua? In what way? As I've already said...When Yeshua was born this war was long over as the Romans were in control of the regions.
Lione D ea: First of all Yeshua in Hebrew correct me if Im wrong in translating is not a Man because He is existed before the earth was, he wasnt first exist in earth according to scriptures of the Apostle and Prophets. In chapter 7:17 tells us the Ephraim is turned away from Judah there concern of chapter 8:4 is specific to King of Assyria. Why it specific to the king of Assyria, because it says there:
(For, when) the lad does not yet know to call, 'Father' and 'mother,' (The Complete Jewish Bible)
Lione D ea: Therefore it tells us it will occur first the happened which the wealth of Damascus and the plunder of Samaria shall be carried off before the king of Assyria, why it carried what it does meant in chapter 7:17, 2, 5-6 Read:
The Lord shall bring upon you and upon your people and upon your father's house, days which have not come, since the day that Ephraim turned away from Judah, namely, the king of Assyria.
2. And it was told to the House of David, saying, "Aram has allied itself with Ephraim," and his heart and the heart of his people trembled as the trees of the forest tremble because of the wind.
5. Since Aram planned harm to you, Ephraim and the son of Remaliah, saying:
6. 'Let us go up against Judah and provoke it, and annex it to us; and let us crown a king in its midst, one who is good for us,' (The complete Jewish Bible)
Lione D ea: Remember in chapter 7:17 Ephraim turned away from Judah and bring together the nations in this paragraph against Judah so chapter 8:4 is certainly the king of Assyria, while the chapter 7:17 the event separation of Assyria in Judah where the house of David. 8:4 Why are not attached to chapter 8:3 to say he is Immanuel, because the verse does not say that (HE) it says (LAD), and not only was Maher-shalal-hash-baz the child mentioned in the passages, he is not the Immanuel because Immanuel is God, the Maher-shalal-hash-baz is the name of man to testify he is not the Immanuel let us read two passages in chapter 8:3 and 9:5 it says:
3 And I was intimate with the prophetess, and she conceived, and she bore a son, and the Lord said to me, "Call his name Maher-shalal-hash-baz.
5 For a child has been born to us, a son given to us, and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace."
Lione D ea: In chapter 8:3 Maher-shalal-hash-baz was born there already he was (CALL) him in his name, while in chapter 9:5 the son given in them (CALLED) his name meaning coming, the verses are clear as crystal it is not blard.
Dirty Penguin< No it doesn't. It's saying that a terrible time will be upon Judah not seen since the days of Ephraim when it was separated from Judah . Check out the way the NIV renders it.
Isaiah 7 NIV - The Sign of Immanuel - When Ahaz son of - Bible Gateway
"The LORD will bring on you and on your people and on the house of your father a time unlike any since Ephraim broke away from Judahhe will bring the king of Assyria.
"He will bring the king of Assyria" is in reference to "The Lord". This is why I said to stop referring to Ephraim. It's not important. Verse 17 only serves as a comparison of hardship Judah will soon see. Remember, this is talking about a war.
Lione D ea: What is the happening, the verse tell us the HAPPENED of Ephraim will turned away from Judah because they will against in the House of David in chapter 7:5-6 Read:
Since Aram planned harm to you, Ephraim and the son of Remaliah, saying:
6. 'Let us go up against Judah and provoke it, and annex it to us; and let us crown a king in its midst, one who is good for us,'
Lione D ea: The verse is very clear it will happened what is the problem their brother?
Dirty Penguin< See above. Ephraim has nothing to do with it. It's only talking about the hard times Judah will experience not seen since the day when Ephraim separated from Judah . I think that story is recorded in 2 Chronicles.
Lione D ea: Isaiah 7:17 Read:
The Lord shall bring upon you and upon your people and upon your father's house, days which have not come, since the day that Ephraim turned away from Judah, namely, the king of Assyria. (The complete Jewish Bible)
Lione D ea: How do you understand the phrase NAMELY. The verse describe Ephraim as Assyria.