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Did Jesus say he was God???

BornAgain

Active Member
The way to attain eternal life is demonstrated in the parable of the good samaritan

Dt 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Can you explain these verses?
 

BornAgain

Active Member
By all means point out where Christ himself condemned the worship of Angels.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels,

1Th 2:13 For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

The reason why you can not understand Christianity is; CHRISTIANITY is a Revealed Religion, ARROGANT to you, because of your IGNORANCE of this Revealed Truth about the Lord Jesus Christ.

Do you know the meaning of MUSTERION?

Among the ancient Greeks ’THE MYSTERIES OR MUSTERION’ were religious rites and ceremonies practiced by secret societies into which any one who so desired might be received. Those who were “INITIATED” into these mysteries became possessors of certain “KNOWLEDGE“, which was not imparted to the “UN-INITIATED“, and were called “THE PERFECTED”.

NOW, compare this to 1 CORINTHIANS 2:6-16 where Paul has these “MYSTERIES OR MUSTERION” in mind and presents the gospel in contrast thereto; here “THE PREFECTED” are, of course, THE BELIEVERS, who alone can perceive the thing REVEALED BY THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

Christ, who is God Himself revealed under the condition of human life.

Col 2:2 that their hearts may be comforted, they being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, that they may know the MYSTERY/MUSTERION of God, even Christ, [HO MUSTERION THEOS CHRISTOS]

Col 2:3 in whom are all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge hidden/APOKRUPHOS.

COMPARE THIS VERSES INTO THIS VERSE IN THE O.T.,

Dt 29:29 The secret/HIDDEN/KRUPTOS things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

ALL REVELATIONS, ABOUT THE TRUTH, CAME FROM ONE SOURCE, FROM GOD.[READ COL2:3 AGAIN]

AGAIN CHRISTIANITY, ACCORDING TO YOU,

“I 100% agree that "Christianity" in its standard Orthodox mainstream form is extremely arrogant, presumptious, and feeds off of a sense of entitlement, complacency, and disregard for logic and common sense in favor of a feel-good mentality that is completely devoid of any of its base foundation and context, going off of interpretations that not even the original Church Fathers went by, and they were off as it was.”

ARROGANT TO YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR IGNORANCE OF THIS REVEALED TRUTH ABOUT THE Lord Jesus Christ.

No matter how one explained it to you, you will never, never understand because of your UNBELIEF, YOUR BLINDNESS, which was prophesied in the Book of Acts chapter 13.

Ac 13:6 And when they had gone through the whole island unto Paphos, they found a certain sorcerer, a false prophet, a Jew, whose name was Bar-jesus;
Ac 13:7 Which was with the deputy of the country, Sergius Paulus, a prudent man; who called for Barnabas and Saul, and desired to hear the word of God.
Ac 13:8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.
Ac 13:9 Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,
Ac 13:10 And said, O full of all subtlety and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
Ac 13:11 And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.

THIS IS A "TYPE" OF THE "JEWS" REJECTING CHRIST AGAIN FOR THE SECOND TIME:
1ST WAS DURING Christ EARTHLY MINISTRY,
2ND WAS AFTER THE RESURRECTION OF THE Lord Jesus Christ.


So, what happened here was, the Jews/TYPE/ELYMAS, because of UNBELIEF, was, “and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season.”

Now, what happened to Sergius Paulus/TYPE/Gentiles?

Ac 13:12 Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.

THIS WAS THE BEGINNING OF THE SALVATION OF THE Gentiles, AND OF COURSE BY Peter IN ACTS CHAPTER 10.

IN THE BOOK OF ROMANS CHAPTER 11

Ro 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded/TYPE/ELYMAS
Ro 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Ro 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Ro 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back always.
Ro 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles/TYPE/SERGIUS PAULUS, for to provoke them to jealousy.

WARNING ABOUT ARROGANCY OR BEING ARROGANT!

Ro 11:19 Thou/GENTILES wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
Ro 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they/JEWS were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded/ARROGANT, but fear:

NOW, we will see another “MUSTERION OR MYSTERY” IN THIS VERSE, AND THIS IS VERY INTERESTING,

Ro 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be IGNORANT/LIKE ELYMAS of this mystery/MUSTERION, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits [ARROGANT]; that blindness/TYPE/ELYMAS in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

LIKE ELYMAS, YOU WERE BLINDED ALSO. YOU WERE PROPHESIED TO BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BELIEVE. YOU CAN INJECT ALL YOUR THEOLOGY AGAINST THE DEITY OF THE Lord Jesus Christ, ALL THESE WOULD NOT MATTER TO ME BECAUSE YOU WERE PROPHESIED NOT TO SEE AND NOT TO HEAR, "until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.".

Ro 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
Ro 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

THE WORD “IGNORANT” IS VERY OFFENSIVE TO ANYONE, BECAUSE IT INSULTS THE CAPACITY TO ACQUIRE AND APPLY KNOWLEDGE, BUT THE TRUTH IS, "IGNORANCE" IS JUST LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. IF I DEBATE A BUDDHIST AND HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THEIR FOUNDATION ABOUT THEIR RELIGION, THEN, I COULD LABEL MYSELF AS AN “IGNORANT” ON THIS MATTER.
 
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Shermana

Heretic
So, once again, where did "Christ himself" condemn worship of the Angels?

I think you accidentally read "Paul". Honest mistake I suppose. Care to try again?

Apparently Paul, under your interpretation, has NOT read Genesis or Exodus or Joshua, since Abraham and Moses and Joshua did in fact "worship" Angels. I ask you once again, for the fourth time or so, do you know what "worship" means?


LIKE ELYMAS, YOU WERE BLINDED ALSO. YOU WERE PROPHESIED TO BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BELIEVE. YOU CAN INJECT ALL YOUR THEOLOGY AGAINST THE DEITY OF THE Lord Jesus Christ, ALL THESE WOULD NOT MATTER TO ME BECAUSE YOU WERE PROPHESIED NOT TO SEE AND NOT TO HEAR, "until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.".

Why have you ignored and refused my bet each time? If you're going to talk like this, then make the bet and shut up, or I'm gonna forever just think you're all talk but not 100% confident in your claims like you accused me of earlier for using the word 'may". So take the bet, don't accuse me of "intimidating you", or shut up. Otherwise, learn how to debate.
 
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Shermana

Heretic
JEWISH HERETICS, LIKE YOU, WERE TEACHING THE COLOSSIANS TO WORSHIP ANGELS INSTEAD OF CHRIST. THESE HERETICS, LIKE YOU, STILL BELIEVED THAT ANGELS WERE THE TRUE MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MEN AND NOT CHRIST.

Many Jews had a superstitious or idolatrous respect for angels, because they had received the law and other tidings of the Divine will by their ministry. They looked upon them as mediators between God and men, and some went so far as to pay them a kind of religious homage or worship. Matthew Henry

PAUL IS TALKING ABOUT YOU AND YOUR DELUSIONAL ANGEL’S THEORY.

Calling me a heretic is about all you're capable of, since you don't want to address what I brought up about Abraham, Moses, and Joshua all "worshiping" the Angels. Excuse me, repeating yourself as well calling me a heretic and utterly avoiding what I said, and ignoring what the text actually says, is all you're capable of apparently. Let's see if you do it again. You won't even answer my question on if you know what "worship" means. You quote Matthew Henry, who had a horrible understanding of ancient Jewish history, as if his opinion is golden fact, while you write off the scholars I bring up and accuse me of having no argument because I "have to rely on scholars" or something. Sad that pretty much every Trinitarian I debate ends up acting like this once the evidence popping their case is demonstrated.

Now either make the bet, or shut up. Don't accuse me of "intimidating you". You have ignored my counter-arguments, called me this or that, called my Belief "delusional", "heretical", what not. Make the bet or shut up, since you obviously aren't interested in even addressing what I bring up, let alone in context. So let's let God Himself show you which of us is blaspheming Him. I hate to have to do that, but I only do this with irrational people who rely on making it personal while avoiding the argument.
 
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FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
Dt 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Can you explain these verses?

When A teacher of the law asked Christ how he could inherit eternal life, Christ asked him how he interpreted the Law. the man responded, and Christ told him he was correct.

Christ had directly told the way to eternal life several times in the bible. The way and truth of Christ was told several times. If you need to look for more, it's is because you cannot accept the simplicity of the message.
 

BornAgain

Active Member
Now either make the bet, or shut up. Don't accuse me of "intimidating you". You have ignored my counter-arguments, called me this or that, called my Belief "delusional", "heretical", what not. Make the bet or shut up, since you obviously aren't interested in even addressing what I bring up, let alone in context. So let's let God Himself show you which of us is blaspheming Him. I hate to have to do that, but I only do this with irrational people who rely on making it personal while avoiding the argument.
I KNOW THE TRUTH REALLY HURTS ALL THE TIME....

“Now either make the bet,”

YOU WANT TO BET? GO TO VEGAS! IT’S ILLEGAL TO BET ONLINE ESPECIALLY HERE ON RF.

“or shut up”

Ac 4:18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.
Ac 4:19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.

REVEALED KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE TRUTH IS NOT ARROGANCE, IGNORANCE OF THIS KNOWLEDGE IS.
 

BornAgain

Active Member
When A teacher of the law asked Christ how he could inherit eternal life, Christ asked him how he interpreted the Law. the man responded, and Christ told him he was correct.
Lk 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Lk 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
Lk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

God AND love thy neigbour, these two you must have to have eternal life.

Who helped the injured man? The priest? The Levite? These religious people who followed the Law of Moses?

NO! The Samaritan,
Jn 4:9 The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)

What is the difference between the Samaritans and Jews?

The Jews have the Law of Moses, while the Samaritans do not have the Law of Moses.

Lk 10:36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

“Which now of these three” the Lord Jesus Christ asked. Was it the follower of the law of Moses or the Samaritan who does not have the Law of Moses?

The Samaritan who does not have the Law of Moses to follow but “SHOWED MERCY” to the injured man IS THE RIGHT NEIGHBOUR.

Can this Samaritan “inherit eternal life?” NO! HE DOES NOT HAVE God, he had only “SHOWED MERCY”.

While the scribe who has God through the Law of Moses but does not have “SHOWN MERCY TO HIS NEIGHBOUR” can not "INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE" either.

Lk 10:37 And he said, He that showed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Remember the scribe asked the Lord Jesus Christ in verse 29 “And who is my neighbour?” but he did not ask about God, who is my God?, because it is understood the their God is the God of the law of Moses.

Now, the Samaritan who does not have the law of Moses should be understood as have NOT the God of the law of Moses but have “SHOWED MERCY” on his neighbour instead.

DID THE SAMARITAN AND THE SCRIBE HAVE THE REQUIREMENT “TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?” NO!

EITHER ONE IS SHORT OF THE GLORY OF God.


Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

IF YOU READ ROMANS CHAPTER I AND 2, YOU CAN RELATE TO THIS PARABLE. ROMANS C1-2 IS ABOUT THE RELIGIOUS Jews AND THE Gentiles SINNERS IN THEIR CONDITION TOWARD God.

Jews WITH THE LAW OF Moses WHILE THE Gentiles, WHO DO NOT HAVE THE LAW OF Moses, BUT
Ro 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

THIS IS WHAT THE SAMARITAN DID TO THE INJURED MAN, “do by nature” “SHOWED MERCY” AND NOT BY THE LAW OF Moses, BUT DOES NOT HAVE THE God OF THE LAW OF Moses TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE.

AND THIS IS PAUL’S CONCLUSION,

Ro 3:9 What then? are we better than they/Gentiles/SINNERS? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Ro 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Ro 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

THE LAW OF Moses REQUIRES: God + LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR "SHOWED MERCY" = ETERNAL LIFE

SAMARITAN: NO God + LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR "SHOWED MERCY" = NO ETERNAL LIFE

SCRIBE: God + DOES NOT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR, DOES NOT "SHOWED MERCY" = NO ETERNAL LIFE

EITHER ONE IS SHORT OF THE GLORY OF God.


Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Christ had directly told the way to eternal life several times in the bible. The way and truth of Christ was told several times. If you need to look for more, it's is because you cannot accept the simplicity of the message.
A simple explanation can be more complicated than a detailed one.
 
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FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
Lk 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Lk 10:26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
Lk 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

God AND love thy neigbour, these two you must have to have eternal life.

Who helped the injured man? The priest? The Levite? These religious people who followed the Law of Moses?

NO! The Samaritan,
Jn 4:9 The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.)

What is the difference between the Samaritans and Jews?

The Jews have the Law of Moses, while the Samaritans do not have the Law of Moses.

Lk 10:36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?

“Which now of these three” the Lord Jesus Christ asked. Was it the follower of the law of Moses or the Samaritan who does not have the Law of Moses?

The Samaritan who does not have the Law of Moses to follow but “SHOWED MERCY” to the injured man IS THE RIGHT NEIGHBOUR.

Can this Samaritan “inherit eternal life?” NO! HE DOES NOT HAVE God, he had only “SHOWED MERCY”.

While the scribe who has God through the Law of Moses but does not have “SHOWN MERCY TO HIS NEIGHBOUR” can not "INHERIT ETERNAL LIKE" either.

Lk 10:37 And he said, He that showed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Remember the scribe asked the Lord Jesus Christ in verse 29 “And who is my neighbour?” but he did not ask about God, who is my God?, because it is understood the their God is the God of the law of Moses.

Now, the Samaritan who does not have the law of Moses should be understood as have NOT the God of the law of Moses but have “SHOWED MERCY” on his neighbour instead.

DID THE SAMARITAN AND THE SCRIBE HAVE THE REQUIREMENT “TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE?” NO!

EITHER ONE IS SHORT OF THE GLORY OF God.


Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

IF YOU READ ROMANS CHAPTER I AND 2, YOU CAN RELATE TO THIS PARABLE. ROMANS C1-2 IS ABOUT THE RELIGIOUS Jews AND THE Gentiles SINNERS IN THEIR CONDITION TOWARD God.

Jews WITH THE LAW OF Moses WHILE THE Gentiles, WHO DO NOT HAVE THE LAW OF Moses, BUT
Ro 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

THIS IS WHAT THE SAMARITAN DID TO THE INJURED MAN, “do by nature” “SHOWED MERCY” AND NOT BY THE LAW OF Moses, BUT DOES NOT HAVE THE God OF THE LAW OF Moses TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE.

AND THIS IS PAUL’S CONCLUSION,

Ro 3:9 What then? are we better than they/Gentiles/SINNERS? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;
Ro 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Ro 3:11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

THE LAW OF Moses REQUIRES: God + LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR "SHOWED MERCY" = ETERNAL LIFE

SAMARITAN: NO God + LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR "SHOWED MERCY" = NO ETERNAL LIFE

SCRIBE: God + DOES NOT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR, DOES NOT "SHOWED MERCY" = NO ETERNAL LIFE

EITHER ONE IS SHORT OF THE GLORY OF God.


Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;


A simple explanation can be more complicated than a detailed one.

The samaritan didn't show mercy he showed love there's a difference. He showed that he loved those who were different from him. Love God with all your heart and your mind and kove your neighbor as you love yourself. Simple...but if I was to ask you to tell me what the law of Moses was could you tell me each and everyone? And do you think each one spoke of love?
 

Shermana

Heretic
I KNOW THE TRUTH REALLY HURTS ALL THE TIME....

“Now either make the bet,”

YOU WANT TO BET? GO TO VEGAS! IT’S ILLEGAL TO BET ONLINE ESPECIALLY HERE ON RF.

“or shut up”

Ac 4:18 And they called them, and commanded them not to speak at all nor teach in the name of Jesus.
Ac 4:19 But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye.

REVEALED KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE TRUTH IS NOT ARROGANCE, IGNORANCE OF THIS KNOWLEDGE IS.

No it's not illegal at all.

If you're right, I lose everything I have.

If I'm right, you lose everything you have.

Just say amen.

Like I said, I hate to have to settle it this way, but this is often the only recourse when dealing with people like yourself who completely ignore my argument, twist my words, repeat your claims as if they haven't been debunked without addressing the debunking, call me this or that, and otherwise fail to be rational.

For someone who makes a big deal about my use of the word "may", you should surely see the irony of you not being willing to do so. I can only assume you're afraid and not 100% confident, so if you're not so confident, you may want to tone down your vitriol and actually address what I say.
 
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BornAgain

Active Member
The samaritan didn't show mercy he showed love there's a difference.
Lk 10:37 And he said, He that showed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

We do not deserve anything from God, but because of HIS unfathomable MERCY “he gave his only begotten Son” and that is LOVE. You cannot separate these two characteristics of God, they are inseparable. Without Mercy there is no Love only selfishness.

Jer 18:4 But the jar he was making did not turn out as he had hoped, so the potter squashed the jar into a lump of clay and started again.

If God is a selfish God, He did not have to sacrifice His own Son; He will just make new batches of human beings repeatedly to perfection.
 

BornAgain

Active Member
He showed that he loved those who were different from him. Love God with all your heart and your mind and kove your neighbor as you love yourself.
I understand the Samaritan loved the injured man, but does he love God?

Jn 4:22 Ye/Samaritans worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

I'm sorry to say this: but I think you did not get the parable.

THE LAW OF Moses REQUIRES: God + LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR "SHOWED MERCY" = ETERNAL LIFE

SAMARITAN: NO God + LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR "SHOWED MERCY" = NO ETERNAL LIFE

SCRIBE: God + DOES NOT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR "SHOWED NO MERCY" = NO ETERNAL LIFE

EITHER ONE IS SHORT OF THE GLORY OF God.

This is the message of this parable. You can not be save by following the Law of Moses. You will be short all the time.
 

FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
I understand the Samaritan loved the injured man, but does he love God?

Jn 4:22 Ye/Samaritans worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

I'm sorry to say this: but I think you did not get the parable.

THE LAW OF Moses REQUIRES: God + LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR "SHOWED MERCY" = ETERNAL LIFE

SAMARITAN: NO God + LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR "SHOWED MERCY" = NO ETERNAL LIFE

SCRIBE: God + DOES NOT LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR "SHOWED NO MERCY" = NO ETERNAL LIFE

EITHER ONE IS SHORT OF THE GLORY OF God.

This is the message of this parable. You can not be save by following the Law of Moses. You will be short all the time.


By loving his neighbor he loves God because the law can be summer up as love one another as you love yourself and those who obey the law do so our of love for God. If you do not love God you will not follow the law. Also the man asked who was his neighbor he should love, Was the Samaritan the neighbor or the man who he found on the street...,
 

BornAgain

Active Member
Simple...but if I was to ask you to tell me what the law of Moses was could you tell me each and everyone? And do you think each one spoke of love?
I am a Gentile converted into Christianity. Therefore, I am a born again.

I do not follow the Law of Moses, or it does not apply to me as a Gentile/Christian, but that does not mean I treat it without proper respect.

Ro 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The Law of Moses came from God.

I think this translation need not another interpretation because one can not make it clearer than this.

Ro 3:31 Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

You have to understand where are you in the bible, or the messages for you in the bible.

THIS WAS YOUR QUESTION:
The way to attain eternal life is demonstrated in the parable of the good samaritan
This is the reason why I posted this to you in the beginning of this debate. I sense where you are going with this question, and this was my answer to you:

Dt 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Now, let me ask you; what is your understanding on these verses?

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me/PAUL, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

HOW MANY GOSPEL DO YOU SEE HERE?

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “the gospel of the uncircumcision/Gentiles” and “the gospel of the circumcision/Jews”?

NONE! NO DIFFERENCE!
 

FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
I am a Gentile converted into Christianity. Therefore, I am a born again.

I do not follow the Law of Moses, or it does not apply to me as a Gentile/Christian, but that does not mean I treat it without proper respect.

Ro 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

The Law of Moses came from God.

I think this translation need not another interpretation because one can not make it clearer than this.

Ro 3:31 Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

You have to understand where are you in the bible, or the messages for you in the bible.

THIS WAS YOUR QUESTION:

This is the reason why I posted this to you in the beginning of this debate. I sense where you are going with this question, and this was my answer to you:

Dt 29:29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Now, let me ask you; what is your understanding on these verses?

Gal 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me/PAUL, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)
Gal 2:9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

HOW MANY GOSPEL DO YOU SEE HERE?

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “the gospel of the uncircumcision/Gentiles” and “the gospel of the circumcision/Jews”?

NONE! NO DIFFERENCE!

I don't remember saying there was a difference and you claim you're not under the law but what was the law? Can you define it in one sentence?
 

BornAgain

Active Member
Also the man asked who was his neighbor he should love, Was the Samaritan the neighbor or the man who he found on the street...,
You are not following the parable.

How many main characters do you see in this parable?

A scribe, a priest, a Levite, and the Samaritan.

The scribe, the priest, and the Levite, these are the religious people who followed the Law of Moses.

The Samaritan: no Law of Moses.

Who helped the injured man? The Samaritan!

The question is, will he/Samaritan “inherit eternal life?”
 

FranklinMichaelV.3

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You are not following the parable.

How many main characters do you see in this parable?

A scribe, a priest, a Levite, and the Samaritan.

The scribe, the priest, and the Levite, these are the religious people who followed the Law of Moses.

The Samaritan: no Law of Moses.

Who helped the injured man? The Samaritan!

The question is, will he/Samaritan “inherit eternal life?”

The man asked who was his neighbor. Now the Samaritan helps a man who he does not know, who is not like him, and would never associate with him. Why would Jesus use a Samaritan in place of a Jew? The teacher who asked the question was Jewish? Why is it not a Jew who is helping the Samaritan? In this case the man who was beaten was the man who was the neighbor. Jesus was showing that eternal life is not bound to just the Jews. That the law is fulfilled by obeying God and that the law is itself to love one another.
 

FranklinMichaelV.3

Well-Known Member
Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

I think you assume literal law is what I am talking about. I am not talking about circumcision, or eating unclean food. That is not the law which even the man who asked the question was talking about.

But

That seems to be your view and it seems to serve you well.
 
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