Did Jesus say he was God???

[301ouncer]

Sorry Brother Ba'al for taking over your discussion. I have put it back to where it was:

Ok, I read that pathetic article. So in order to reconcile the discrepancy you are saying that Jesus cleansed the temple of merchants twice? Then why does Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John mention it once? Remember the viewers on the forum will be judging your answers. After your refute we'll move on to the next discrepancy.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

You are qouting from hadith?

Yes the messiah will live untill he is 40 i think or will be on earth for 40 years (Not sure) according to the hadith (as long as the hadith is from sahih muslim or sahih bukhari then ok) but that is after his second coming and not before. Yes he was reddish in colour but not blond.

According to Scripture at John (14:19) the world would see Jesus No more after he went to heaven (Heb 9:24). However, the world would see, with their mind's eye, so to speak, because both Isaiah (11:4) and Rev (19:11,15) inform us that the words from Jesus mouth will be like a sharp two-edged executioner's sword that he, with his angelic armies, will use against those against him. Then will start Jesus 1000-year rule over earth. It will be a heavenly rule, not only with heavenly co-rulers (Rev 5:9,10) but also with earthly subjects as citizens of God's kingdom government over earth. -Daniel 7:13,14; 2:44; Isa 9:7;
Psalm 37:11,29,38; 92:7; Proverbs 2:21,22; 10:30.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

But yet they are also based on a calling of one man, so how some of the other believes are any different? Regardless of how many answers you can have or even set rules for answers they are all based on a word of one person. Was Jesus who people say he was or did he even think he is a son of a G-D to me it is the same as Muhammad claiming to receive word of G-D. No one to prove it just trust in one mans words.

Since Scripture was written by about 40 different persons, then it is the report of more than one person.

Did Jesus think he was the Son of God? Besides the words of John's Gospel, at Matthew 27:43 the people said that Jesus said: he [Jesus] is the Son of God.
Decades after Jesus was resurrected by God to heaven Jesus still believed he was the Son of God at Rev 2:18. In heaven Jesus still believed he had a God- Rev 3:12.

 

[arimoff]

Since Scripture was written by about 40 different persons, then it is the report of more than one person.

Did Jesus think he was the Son of God? Besides the words of John's Gospel, at Matthew 27:43 the people said that Jesus said: he [Jesus] is the Son of God.
Decades after Jesus was resurrected by God to heaven Jesus still believed he was the Son of God at Rev 2:18. In heaven Jesus still believed he had a God- Rev 3:12.

the report of who? how many of those 40 different persons actually witnessed Jesus? I also know people who know people, who know people, but how is that makes him in to what he is claimed to be? To make a G-D for your self based on claims of people who are also influenced by claim of others is absurd.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

the report of who? how many of those 40 different persons actually witnessed Jesus? I also know people who know people, who know people, but how is that makes him in to what he is claimed to be? To make a G-D for your self based on claims of people who are also influenced by claim of others is absurd.

To the nation of Israelites the Constitution of the Mosaic law was not absurd for 1,500 years. Not only did their Constitution show details how the nation functioned the genealogical records preserved the necessary identification about the Messiah.

Jesus would be a descendant of King David the promised 'son' of David.
(2 Sam 7:12,13; Luke 1:32, 3:23-31)

What other religious book could claim to direct, instruct and correct, lasting from the time of the Wilderness of Sinai, through the Promised Land, Babylonian Exile, Roman Empire and now earth wide in our day.
People out of all nations become genuine followers of Christ no matter where they live on earth. A few year back I recall that the lighthouse keeper's wife in Antarctica was Christian. Acts (1:8) to the uttermost part, far end, of the earth, or how extensive the Good News of God's kingdom would be proclaimed and now is. As it was written, so it is.

 

[Muffled]

Jesus is not God, never was God, never will be God. The Bible says God created Jesus as the firstborn of all creation, Col.1:15 and he is called the beginning of creation by God at Rev. 3:14
Jesus is the Amen, your prayers cannot be heard by God, unless you use pray in the name of Jesus. If you believe Jesus is God, then you are the antichrist, 2Joh 1:7 Jesus was born a man.

If Jesus was not God in the flesh then He wasn't at the beginning because only God was at the beginning. The fact that Jesus was at the beginning proves that He is God.

On the contrary, if you believe that Jesus isn't God you are an antichrist. The whole concept of a Messiah (Christ) is that He will have the power to deliver His people as Moses did. However Moses could not die in place of God because it just wouldn't be good enough.

 

[Muffled]

[FONT=&quot]You only see Jesus referred to as God in the annoymous gospel of John, which was the gospel to be written last. Which coincides with many other religious teachers in that they are viewed as God long after they are dead!!! [/FONT]

I guess by this standard the Qu'ran can be discounted as well for being last written.

This doesn't work very well since Jesus lives and had revealed Himself alive to those who wrote the gospels.

 

[Muffled]

You are qouting from hadith?

Yes the messiah will live untill he is 40 i think or will be on earth for 40 years (Not sure) according to the hadith (as long as the hadith is from sahih muslim or sahih bukhari then ok) but that is after his second coming and not before. Yes he was reddish in colour but not blond.

Both of these things are still conceivable. He will be 40 in 2014 and the area He comes from has a wide variety of ethnicities, so a red head isn't out of the question. He isn't revealing Himself though because the Anti-Christ has center stage.

However, Hadith's are not totally reliable. This one is really suspect as a word of Mohammed and sounds like a latter day prophecy from one of his followers.

 

[AK4]

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I really don't get you, I spell G-D and it supposed to mean I don't know Him?
We pronounce His names when we pray or read Torah, but other wise we say Hashem meaning The Name.

Lets see which “name” fits God best---Hashem--The Name or Jesus—Jehovah is salvation

You shall not take the name of the L-rd your G-d in vain.
a.k.a the ten commandments.


Yet you guys don’t even understand what it means to take the Lords name in vain as it is well evident here.

maybe it's hard for you to understand but thats Judaism.

Judaism, Christianity, all the religions of the world---they all the same. God calls em “MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT”. Yet actually since “MOTHER OF HARLOTS” is added to the name, this Babylon the great is really JUDAISM.



Why would he be a great prophet? what has he done? He maybe holly for you, but what has he done for the Jewish people to be a prophet to them? cause them millions of deaths? if he is G-D he would never allow for his own people to be killed in HIS NAME!!!!

Aah aah aah don’t run from the question. Answer if can. Here I will post it again

Okay, you dont consider Jesus to be your Lord and God, fine. How about a great prophet. No lets just say prophet. Now if you agree with that then and you say that Moses and Jacob heard God, then you say Jesus, a prophet, lied numerous times when He said no man has seen or heard God at anytime. Now if you believe a true prophet of God could be a liar then you MUST throw out all of your tanak and OT. Now try to answer that intelligently and scripturally and without contradiction.


Now to answer your questions and show how much you’ve “studied” your own tanak and prophets, have you not read what GOD had done to His own people with the King of Assyria? Or how about King Neb? How about the angel that killed many for Davids sin? Etc etc etc. As to parrot Paul, probably one the most hated people by the jews, “STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED

Deuteronomy 13
1. Everything I command you that you shall be careful to do it. You shall neither add to it, nor subtract from it.
2. If there will arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of a dream, and he gives you a sign or a wonder,
3. and the sign or the wonder of which he spoke to you happens, [and he] says, "Let us go after other gods which you have not known, and let us worship them
4. you shall not heed the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of a dream; for the Lord, your God, is testing you, to know whether you really love the Lord, your God, with all your heart and with all your soul

If I believe in Jesus I will go against the passages that I showed you.

Actually you wouldn’t. Try reading #4 again. That “dreamer” dreamt the temple being destroyed and it came true among many other “dreams”. So you are without excuse.

Torah clearly states do not add or subtract from it, isn't Jesus is the salvation and there is no more need to follow those laws? contradiction.

Show me exactly where Jesus said this. You cant. Neither did the apostles say this. All you know is what Christian theologians and scholars and their sheeple tell you and they don’t even know what they are talking about.

Again, to go follow other, Jesus being son of a G-D means I have to follow another G-D other then the one who took me out of Egypt.
is that enough for you?

Have you not read that that was Jesus who took them out of Egypt? Now is that worshipping a different God? I think not


Oh so you follow all that is in the torah right? So how many have you put to death for blaspeming God? or for not following one of those 600 odd ordinances? None? Well well well, dont we have a conumdrum here

Rather then sounding stupid why don't you find out for your self?

LOL

Half of the laws in the Torah I can't follow because they apply only when we live in Israel and there is a Temple.

So if you cant follow all of the law, what does that say of you and your relationship with God? Have you really sat down and thought about that? Is there answer to your dilemma? Yes. Who gave the answer? Jesus. Will you believe Him? No.

 

[AK4]

You just proved my case. I said scholars, as in historians and textual critics that examine the bible with an objective viewpoint. Theologians are like priests, pastors, etc that analyze the bible through believers eyes. And that is where all that nonsense you just mentioned came from.

Oh, my bad, for thinking people like "scholars, as in historians and textual critics that examine the bible with an objective viewpoint" wouldnt have an agenda or biasedness behind their critiques. Since they dont look at it through believers eyes their critiques are more reliable. :foot: Come on now

No, not all scripture is contradictory like the bible.

None of scripture is contradictory. Bible translations can be

Well how about saying something like "the gospels contradict each other and although it's impossible for them all to be true, I will believe them anyway because a christian told me to."

Sorry im not part of the flock of sheeple. I dont just believe because a christian told me to. Actually i was shown what they teach how it contradicts scripture so your stereotype doesnt fit me. And no the gospels dont contradict

 

[arimoff]

to be honest with you, half of your post doesn't deserve an answer, you just don't make sense, why can't you understand that you can't use words such as Jesus Jehova because I don't believe in them, so throw out have of your answers and try again, but I will answer few of them.


Regarding what has G-D to His own people: This is exactly the difference between Judaism and Christianity, it is called critical thinking. In your case it was done by people in their deities name not in the name of Hashem. In my case Jews were killed in the name of Jesus, in the so called G-D we suppose to believe, so where was Jesus letting his own brothers get killed in his name, and you want us to believe in him after everything?

I can also give you another example, they all killed Jews, they all killed in their deities names so did Christianity, witch means they are actually also a different religion. Jesus is just another idol who we survived just one of many that came and left and of many that will come. We saw them all, out lived them all.

How did jesus took us out of Egypt? are you really STUPID? because you are insulting me. Ever heard of the holly grail? what was Jesus doing? celebrating Pesach ( if that meal ever happened) how can he celebrate if he took us out? your ignorance is out of bounds, next time don't post idiotic answer like that one, don't waist my time please.

And to answer your last question, No never will I believe in Jesus, not because of pride but because you guys don't make much sense to me, after studding Judaism and comparing with what you guys have to offer, it doesn't stand a chance. Majority of the Jewish people never did it and never will do it. You caused us to much pain to take you seriously, and yes I did think over your question, why this is all happening to us, YOU and your Jesus are one of the main reasons, we were exiled to spread the news, not like you by sword but like Jews with brains. To make you pagans a believers in One G-D.

My English might not be grate but you get my point.

 

[301ouncer]

I guess by this standard the Qu'ran can be discounted as well for being last written.

This doesn't work very well since Jesus lives and had revealed Himself alive to those who wrote the gospels.

Is this the mystical vision of Paul "pharisee son of a pharisee". The infiltrator and instigator of the killing of James the brother of Jesus pbuh?

I really recommend you come to my thread and read the history and my research that is based on evidence. You will be shocked at the agenda of the Pharisee Political Party.

 

[Ba'al]

None of scripture is contradictory. Bible translations can be

No, I'm speaking of the Greek manuscripts of the NT. The contradictions are not a matter of translation.

 

[David69]

You are qouting from hadith?

Yes the messiah will live untill he is 40 i think or will be on earth for 40 years (Not sure) according to the hadith (as long as the hadith is from sahih muslim or sahih bukhari then ok) but that is after his second coming and not before. Yes he was reddish in colour but not blond.

Hi 301ouncer, Thanks for your reply.
I only speak because I am trying to understand the beleifs of muslims and the Jews and also to find myself.
This is a lofty claim... I am the Messiah! In my opinion. Allow me to talk of how I came to this!
every since I can remember, I have experienced strange happenings, hauntings etc
I didnt speak until I was five but my mind communicated in different ways.
I couldnt look at a live surgery without being ill and when I heard people complain of there illnesses etc I would suffer it for them (didnt realise at the time) My mother says I was a hypocondriac. I thought Religion was just evil and I seen that through new eyes, untainted. I seen the world for what it was. Through out my life I would suffer and be held back from moving on in my life. I wondered who this evil vampire like person that would manifest to scare the living daylights out of me. I would sit in a world of my own and see things that I didnt understand! I would go to the Doctors evry so often bel;eiving I was dying. I would get the symptoms and feel the pain etc.
I beleived I wasnt mad because people around me would witness and experience so called hauntings and the unexplainable. When I was 37 or 36 I started going to online Occult forums just to try and understand what was happening and to put names to the things that I experience and I understood things and new things what people were talking about. And I had this knowledge only through personal experience and not through any book! I was recognised by people that had been learning majics and studdying the unknown for more years that I have lived because they recognised the truth in my words. I knew stuff that I shouldnt and that they didnt!
I started knowing things about people that only they knew and got labelled a subconscious communicator! In their opinion. very rare and most powerfull majic!
So I quickly found myself and all my dreams and visions etc were becoming clearer and with every new realisation of myself filled in the empty spaces of the big picture. When I started reading about Lucifer, It was like they were talking about me. That was scary thinking that I was the Devil incarnate... but it became more complicated as I realised God and Jesus too. And that I am a part of them. And I see how the world sees them too but they see different than I do!!! Now I am sitting on the fence here and see peple seamingly obsessed with who says what and which is the truth etc and I wond deny that it it hurfull and a bit upsetting etc.
And I aim to put a stop to it!!! We should accept each other and embrace each other as brothers and sisters.
Its strange that I seen myself as atheist and still feel the same only because I dont recognise Religion. Ive always felt it as evil but now understand that it isnt Religion itsself but the evil manipulation within.
I Read about Phrophecys and of the way jesus was portraid and missunderstood. I read of how the Jews turned on him and he on them and I see a lot of manipulation and bitterness, anger and Death!!! In the name of who? The manipulators!!! IMHO

Theres a Jewish prophet that dieed a few years back and he knew that I was here! he left some papers behind but most secrets havent been reveiled and only those close to the prophet knows the truth. Little that I read just backed up and cemented my beleives and what I already felt and knew deep down.
Theres been things spoken by prophets that they themselves dont know the meaning of.
I read that I will declare myself to a jew and I already had and he is now a friend of mine and he just happens to be the only Jew that I know. And he knows first hand of my communication! If he thought that I was taking the mickey out of him, he would have dismissed me and been insulted!
He knew me for a very long time and told me that I am the only person that he knows that gets a desease, diagnoses the disease and then heales the desease and then gets better!!! We talked once about something I was sufferering from and at the end of it I told him that I have to make an apointment at the shropatist and he told me that I dont and that he has clippers and he would cut my nails. I told him that his clippers wont work because they are realy thick and hard and his clippers wont do. He went to the drawers and he was repeating himself: "Strange; strange; Strannnnnnnnnge!" He says that the strange this is that he was on his way to work and for no reason at all and without even thinking about it, he drove out of his way
And went into the chemist! The Jew reached into the drawer and said: "I came out of the chemist with these!" and he showed me these huge pair of nail clippers!!!
It wasnt the Doctor I new, his movements were slow and so was his speech. When he finished cutting and filing my nails down, he stood up and leaned over and strained his eyes at me and said: Thoooooosssse Eyyyyyyyyes! and I knew that he was some relevence to me! that was a nearly 2years ago. Suposedly the Jewish Rabbi prophet that died says that I will Rise when some high up holyman dies and the name was named and he went into a coma in 2006 and he is still hanging on for the day 4yrs later.... The time is nigh my friend!

I am at the moment been seen by health proffecionals and ofcource they will only see Psycosis but theres problems that conflicts with there knowledge and understanding about the subject. I see, here and know things but they dont understand and when I asked if I had psycosis they looked embarressed (psycosis experts/proffecionals) My GP asked me what they said and I said that they says that Maybe, I have psycosis a little bit, but its alllll that detail! and even if many people that I claim, come forward and back up my stories it cannot be proved. I noticed my GP smiling and nodding as though it was how he expected there reaction to be!! I told The Doctor that their psycotic drugs dont work the way that they expect but they only help my sleep disorder!
Even the toughest nuts will crack to let in the glorious light!!!

Anyways just Rambling on! Maybe I should start a thread and talk there. Sorry if I have Rambled off topic!

David.

 

[AK4]

to be honest with you, half of your post doesn't deserve an answer, you just don't make sense, why can't you understand that you can't use words such as Jesus Jehova because I don't believe in them, so throw out have of your answers and try again, but I will answer few of them.


Regarding what has G-D to His own people: This is exactly the difference between Judaism and Christianity, it is called critical thinking.

Ha. Please don’t lump me in with Christianity. For both Judaism and Christianity cant critically think. No I take that back, the critical in that sentence doesn’t mean something a good way.

In your case it was done by people in their deities name not in the name of Hashem. In my case Jews were killed in the name of Jesus, in the so called G-D we suppose to believe, so where was Jesus letting his own brothers get killed in his name, and you want us to believe in him after everything?

Have you not read His words “who are my brothers and sisters? Only those who do the will of God are my brothers and sisters”. Add to that Jesus said calling a brother a fool puts you in danger of gehanna fire yet Jesus repeatedly called the Pharisees and scribes fools. Do you get it? They weren’t His real brothers [in His Gods eyes] otherwise Jesus would have sinned. Now your rebuttal fails there. Now if you want to apply what you said to the apostles and disciples, Jesus told them they would be killed for His names sake. Since you don’t believe Jesus was/is the God of the OT, the God of the OT let some of His prophets be killed, even killed one for disobeying Him, so now, anything else you got?


I can also give you another example, they all killed Jews, they all killed in their deities names so did Christianity, witch means they are actually also a different religion. Jesus is just another idol who we survived just one of many that came and left and of many that will come. We saw them all, out lived them all.


Where are you getting all these Christians killing jews? Matter of fact who cares. Evil is evil. Did they do any different than what the jews did to “get back their land” and are doing now? Wickedness is wickedness and it falls into all religions especially Christianity, Judaism and islam.

How did jesus took us out of Egypt? are you really STUPID? because you are insulting me. Ever heard of the holly grail? what was Jesus doing? celebrating Pesach ( if that meal ever happened) how can he celebrate if he took us out? your ignorance is out of bounds, next time don't post idiotic answer like that one, don't waist my time please.

LOL. For you to think that Jesus first came into being at Mary is whats stupid. He emptied Himself of what He was for a little while [30-33yrs] so He could die. A little while He was lower than the angels so He could die. Do you understand what “ a little while” means? That means He had something BEFORE. Now critical think that.


And to answer your last question, No never will I believe in Jesus, not because of pride but because you guys don't make much sense to me, after studding Judaism and comparing with what you guys have to offer, it doesn't stand a chance. Majority of the Jewish people never did it and never will do it. You caused us to much pain to take you seriously, and yes I did think over your question, why this is all happening to us, YOU and your Jesus are one of the main reasons, we were exiled to spread the news, not like you by sword but like Jews with brains. To make you pagans a believers in One G-D.

Im sorry but you get no sympathy from me. I know all about the “jews plight” and the bologna behind it. [im not saying all of it is bologna but come on]. This is ridiculous to try to blame all this on Christians. Did you jews “spread the good news” to those Palestinians with just your brains or was it mainly by sword? Last time I checked it was by sword. And since when does God promote stealing? Don’t even get me started. I know this forum “protects” you guys while yall can just bash on others especially Christians but you guys are no better than those who you blame. Evil is evil.

 

[AK4]

No, I'm speaking of the Greek manuscripts of the NT. The contradictions are not a matter of translation.

No maybe you just cant discern spiritual things and you believe in contradictions

 

[301ouncer]

Hi 301ouncer, Thanks for your reply.
I only speak because I am trying to understand the beleifs of muslims and the Jews and also to find myself.
This is a lofty claim... I am the Messiah! In my opinion. Allow me to talk of how I came to this!
David.

If you could open a thread and will try my best to contribute. It sounds like a Jinn is bothering you. Jinns are the second type of creation. Huge subject. They have nations, childeren, religions, etc. Just like us they live in paralle to our existance. If you cross when of them and annoy them they will make your life miserable. They live in unclean places but we can not see them. We have been taught by our messanger to say different prayers when entering such unclean places. If you do then you get protection from the jinn. If you do not do the rememberances then you have no protection and could have stepped on one of their childeren and the parents Jinn are after you ever since.

Open a thread and will try to help in anyway I can. But it is not an easy thing to have.

 

[David69]

If you could open a thread and will try my best to contribute. It sounds like a Jinn is bothering you. Jinns are the second type of creation. Huge subject. They have nations, childeren, religions, etc. Just like us they live in paralle to our existance. If you cross when of them and annoy them they will make your life miserable. They live in unclean places but we can not see them. We have been taught by our messanger to say different prayers when entering such unclean places. If you do then you get protection from the jinn. If you do not do the rememberances then you have no protection and could have stepped on one of their childeren and the parents Jinn are after you ever since.

Open a thread and will try to help in anyway I can. But it is not an easy thing to have.

Thanks. I havent heard Jinns! I dont think they have anything to do with me.
I am of Lucifer imo I will start a thread so I can keep all my Ramblings in one place.

David69.

 

[Muffled]

Okay please don't start talking trash about me or my family, but I gotta say this: My real last name is Arabian...or something close to like Muslim? Would that then mean I am part Musilm; I have no idea. My family believes in Protestant/Roman Catholic Beliefs and we were all born into such beliefs. In my 2 decades of life or so, I have accumulated a very large amount of SIN and still persist to do so to this day.

I play violent video games. I watch Hard-Core-Gaping Anus Porn...don't ask. What I believe, or what I am forced to believe might not be right. I swear a lot. I am friends, best of friends with a Bisexual Man in a Homosexual Relationship and I think my friend's boyfriend is a very good person despite him being GAY... I'm not gay, don't worry. I write stories depicting Violent Acts, Rape, Sex, Swearing, Gayness etc. I also really like Batman, Spiderman, Ichigo Kurosaki, Goku, so that could be considered Idolatry. I don't go to Church any time during the week. I work weekends, both days.

What Good Things Have I done? I pray every night before I go to bed. I go to Chruch every Christmas with my family. We celebrate the holidays of our faith. I don't drink or get drunk. I have volunteered at a Woman's Center and I am not planning to get any benefits from it. I have bought socks and donated it to Homeless Shelter. I have never had sex (GOLD STAR YEAH!!! For those who don't know what Gold Star is, that means you haven't had sex with someone of opposite gender; Supposed to be joke okay come on)

I am trying to think outside the box and try to do some good for this world, but the attention seeker in me, was aroused by Heath Ledger's performance in Dark Knight. Part of me wants to be that Agent of Chaos. Another Part wants to be the best that I can be, and do goood, or what I define good.

What did it mean when Jesus was baptized? Was he reborn, like any other person getting baptised, did the Spirit come into him then, and not at his birth? I an confuzzled about this.

My Diversity in Policing Course Teacher said that US totalled Iraq, like a drunk driver crashing a fass car. And then, while Iraq is down, we sent missionaries there to convert the people. My teacher said that the US, which is ruled by White Upper Class Men want to make Iraq like the US: A Patriarichal System where people of color, white women, Native people, LGBTQ people are looked as lesser beings without the rights of the people in power. The Police Forces are designed to protect the rights of people in power. Who is the Richest Religion in the world? Some say Islam, others say the whole faith including the denominations who believe in God and Jesus. Roman Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox: They all ask for money, we give them it, thinking, hoping, praying they will do good with it.

What would Jesus do? In all the books written, has he ever said we are to worship him or his Father? I presume so, so I do it in my own way. Do we even have every book that was written, or are there more out there? In fact, are books still being written by people who are real prophets (I heard that no more prophets are to come after Christ, but please just humor me, besides, the Letters of Paul and Peter are in the Bible)?

Is it Discriminatory to tell people about our faith, when they already believe something else? Do we look down on people and think ourselves superior because we think something is right?

In Religion, there may not be any answers for me. Only faith; believing in the words of prophets and leaders who are centuries long dead.

Here's a disturbing thought: God planned on destroying Israel because of all the idolatry and sinnfulness. One of the prophets spoke to Him...and He Changed His Mind...

Think about it: God Could Change His Mind, after thousands of years of waiting. People broke covenants before, so why can't God? Jesus could have been born in Syria or some other country, looked around and said:

Wait

There are more to come, and About Heaven Being Just One City; We can expand: Whole Planets could be HEAVEN...or we could all end up like the people in Matrix Movies: Plugged into whatever we think is Heaven. There are Sadists and Masochists: Sadistic People Like Humiliating Others and Causing Pain. Why not use them in Hell, to punish others for Eternity? They would be in their Heaven. Masochists? They enjoy being humiliated and hurt by others: Hell could be their Heaven too.

What would be my heaven? A computer with Links to Free Music, Free Movies, Free Games Free Everything and they would be all Highest Quality, and getting it delivered to my door? And Noo Consequences at all. Food, Prostitutes, Game Consoles, Energy Drinks, Drugs, People to Clean Up after me? Would that not be the life? Oh and the place I'm living? big enough to have lots of sex? Big enough to drive expensive cars and crash them all, not get hurt and then do Smack, or Crack or whatever kids do these days.

I have no idea what Jesus or Heaven or God is like. Real, not real. I can only Hope that for all my bad bad BAD Things that I do, Continue to do, that I might have a chance of getting into a Heaven. Any Heaven would do because, who wants to die in fire and sulfer? Isn't that what our faith is all about? Dying going to Hell, Dying going to Heaven? If Jesus only wants believers, why should we make others believe? He's forgiven us for all our sins so what's to worry? Why work for something we're gonna get for free anyways?

Maybe Heaven's limited and only the very best gets in. You know what I'm going to do after being on this site? MASTURBATE because that's all I'm good for. You could read all what I wrote and be uncaring, slightly amused, and laughing because I'm such a Doo Doo Guy.

(I'm at school, come on, I'm not going to masturbate I'm here for work.)

This is all off topic but feel free to start a thread. My suggestion though is that you pick out your most urgent need, keep it simple and short.

 

[AK4]

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