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Did Jesus say he was God???
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American Patriot
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Its not scripture this is what they believe! I can prove there's one of everything and it's Jesus Christ!
American Patriot
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Rom 10:1-16
(1) Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
(2) For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
(3) For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
(4) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(5) For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
(6) But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
(7) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
(8) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
(13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(14) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
(15) And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
(16) But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Hmm, this is defiantly Yeshua in verse 13!!! Verse 9 says to confess with thy mouth Yeshua! Then what does verse 14 say, how can we believe on him in context of verse 13 if we have not heard? Who are we suppose to believe on?(Jn 3:16) Then if we take this in the context of the whole bible (Acts 4:12) it must be talking about Yeshua!
Act 4:12
(12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
The bible commands us to invoke the name Yeshua!
Rom 10:12-13
(12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
(13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Lets compare scripture!
Gal 3:28
(28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col 3:11
(11) Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Obviously the Lord in romans 10:12 is the same Lord in romans 10:9 and 10:13. The same Lord in romans 10:12 is the same Lord, Jesus Christ in Gal 3:28 and col 3:11..
Shermana
Heretic
So you're saying that when Paul said "The scripture sayeth" he was referring to his own writings? Interesting. Did he know they were scripture at that time?
Once again, there is a difference between "Lord" as a title, and "LORD "as replacement for the Tetragrammaton. David was called "lord". Calling Jesus "Lord" is not the same as "THE LORD".
Once again, there is a difference between "Lord" as a title, and "LORD "as replacement for the Tetragrammaton. David was called "lord". Calling Jesus "Lord" is not the same as "THE LORD".
American Patriot
Member
American Patriot
Member
Rom 10:1-16
(1) Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
(2) For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
(3) For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
(4) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(5) For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
(6) But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
(7) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
(8) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
(13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(14) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
(15) And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
(16) But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Hmm, this is defiantly Yeshua in verse 13!!! Verse 9 says to confess with thy mouth Yeshua! Then what does verse 14 say, how can we believe on him in context of verse 13 if we have not heard? Who are we suppose to believe on?(Jn 3:16) Then if we take this in the context of the whole bible (Acts 4:12) it must be talking about Yeshua!
Act 4:12
(12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
The bible commands us to invoke the name Yeshua!
Rom 10:12-13
(12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
(13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Lets compare scripture!
Gal 3:28
(28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col 3:11
(11) Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Obviously the Lord in romans 10:12 is the same Lord in romans 10:9 and 10:13. The same Lord in romans 10:12 is the same Lord, Jesus Christ in Gal 3:28 and col 3:11..
(1) Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
(2) For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
(3) For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
(4) For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(5) For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
(6) But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
(7) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
(8) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
(11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
(12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
(13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(14) How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
(15) And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
(16) But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Hmm, this is defiantly Yeshua in verse 13!!! Verse 9 says to confess with thy mouth Yeshua! Then what does verse 14 say, how can we believe on him in context of verse 13 if we have not heard? Who are we suppose to believe on?(Jn 3:16) Then if we take this in the context of the whole bible (Acts 4:12) it must be talking about Yeshua!
Act 4:12
(12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
The bible commands us to invoke the name Yeshua!
Rom 10:12-13
(12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
(13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Lets compare scripture!
Gal 3:28
(28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col 3:11
(11) Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Obviously the Lord in romans 10:12 is the same Lord in romans 10:9 and 10:13. The same Lord in romans 10:12 is the same Lord, Jesus Christ in Gal 3:28 and col 3:11..
American Patriot
Member
Quite simply I proved you wrong and if you could read then you would know what Galatians 3:28 and Col 3:11 had to do with it! They prove my point!
and your switching the subject but...
Rom 9:33
(33) As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Shermana
Heretic
Quite simply, you believe that Paul was referring to his own epistles when he says "As the scripture says".
The word "Believeth on" means "accepts/is persuaded by".
The word "believe in" has been murkied, it's original meaning in its context to Jesus means "obey and follow the teachings of and accept as the Christ".
The word "Believeth on" means "accepts/is persuaded by".
The word "believe in" has been murkied, it's original meaning in its context to Jesus means "obey and follow the teachings of and accept as the Christ".
American Patriot
Member
Hmm, I never had anything to do with the last man Adam or life giving spirit but you dodged so many points I could quote you on if you would like!
Also..
But the Bible teaches there is just one spirit:
1Co_6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is *** one spirit ***.
1Co_12:13 For by *** one Spirit *** are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into *** one Spirit ***.
Eph_2:18 For through him we both have access by *** one Spirit *** unto the Father.
Eph_4:4 There is one body, and *** one Spirit ***, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Who is this one Spirit that is in us?
Ephesians 4:6
(6) One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Romans 8:9
(9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his
American Patriot
Member
Exactly believe on Jesus!
Rom 10:9
(9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:13
(13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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Shermana
Heretic
You can't even remember the argument about the "First and the Last', I asked multiple times who is the "Last Adam" and why he is called a "Life giving" ("Quickening in the KJV" Spirit.
One spirit is one spirit. A separate spirit. The Last Adam is the "Life Giving Spirit". I can count how many times you both jumped from that.
American Patriot
Member
How do you confess with thy mouth?
Rom 10:13
(13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Invoke the name of Yeshua!
Act 4:12
(12) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
American Patriot
Member
Again, I was not the one who you were speaking too! If you want proof I can provide!
Eph_4:4 There is one body, and *** one Spirit ***, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
There is only one spirit in which we are called!
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Shermana
Heretic
Once again.......
What scripture was Paul referring to? His own epistles?
If the "Life Giving Spirit" is the "Last Adam", what does that tell you?:
American Patriot
Member
Rom 10:12-13
(12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
(13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Lets compare scripture!
Gal 3:28
(28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Col 3:11
(11) Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Obviously the Lord in romans 10:12 is the same Lord in romans 10:9 and 10:13. The same Lord in romans 10:12 is the same Lord, Jesus Christ in Gal 3:28 and col 3:11..
Rom 9:33
(33) As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
Shermana
Heretic
Okay, so once again, you're saying that Paul is referring to his own epistles as scripture, and not even in the right chronological date.
And once again, David is called "Lord" as well. The word "LORD "is interchanged with the Tetragrammaton, Jesus is "lord" in the same sense as his ancestor David, that is part of being "Christ".
I once again quote the NLT who correctly distinguishes in this case (though they are errorenous in other parts like "Don't speak their names").
And once again, David is called "Lord" as well. The word "LORD "is interchanged with the Tetragrammaton, Jesus is "lord" in the same sense as his ancestor David, that is part of being "Christ".
I once again quote the NLT who correctly distinguishes in this case (though they are errorenous in other parts like "Don't speak their names").
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