Blackdog22
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What does scripture mean when it says, "behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world?
According to the Christian mainstream belief Jesus was a man who came down to Earth and took on the sins of the world. He was the ultimate sacrifice who would free us of the bondage of sin if only we are to believe in him.
This sounds like a very excellent thing. We are sinful for reasons we can't really understand, but God has deemed us so, and so it is. He has sent himself to redeem us of this thing he has called "sin" so that we can be saved from it.
Now if you read the Bible it clearly states Jesus took up our sins on the Cross and Satan was defeated at that moment. Meaning the sin had been taken and atoned for at that moment.
With this knowledge one has to ask how do we know Jesus took up our sins and died for them? Well, One would have to ask what was the punishment of sin? Lets take a look, Genesis states it quite plainly.
Genesis 3 states:
The woman, for her sin, is condemned to a state of sorrow, and of subjection; proper punishments of that sin, in which she had sought to gratify the desire of her eye, and of the flesh, and her pride.
Lets take a look at this verse. It appears women should never be happy ever since sin entered the world. A state of sorrow would indicate a way of being that does not change. We can see that woman today do have smiles on there face. Okay we can give this one to Jesus.
Next verse on sin.
Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee,"
Here we woman will be in severe pain while under the curse of sin. Jesus took away that curse. If any woman would like to chime in on this one I would appreciate it. Do you in fact feel pain when giving birth or are you simply faking it? I would imagine this one is obvious and Jesus' death did in fact not help with this sin at all. So Jesus is 1 for 2.
Next verse on sin.
I am sure everyone knows about Adam and Eve being nude in the Garden. They were unaware they were naked until Sin entered the world.
Are we now unaware of our nakedness since Jesus died? Well I see people wearing clothes pretty regularly which would indicate people do indeed know they are naked whether saved or not. Jesus is 1 for 3.
Okay onto to the final verse on sin I will bring up.
I first want to note I am not attempting to persuade anyone of anything. I have not taken a side as of yet on being Agnostic or a Believer. Just simply reading what the Bible states and comparing it with reality.
Here is my question.
Based on this reality. Did Jesus take on our sins in death or not? If he did then explain.
If he did not take on our sins in death then what was his death for? How did things differ before he died?
Thank you. These answers will be very informative.
B.D.
What does scripture mean when it says, "behold the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world?
According to the Christian mainstream belief Jesus was a man who came down to Earth and took on the sins of the world. He was the ultimate sacrifice who would free us of the bondage of sin if only we are to believe in him.
This sounds like a very excellent thing. We are sinful for reasons we can't really understand, but God has deemed us so, and so it is. He has sent himself to redeem us of this thing he has called "sin" so that we can be saved from it.
Now if you read the Bible it clearly states Jesus took up our sins on the Cross and Satan was defeated at that moment. Meaning the sin had been taken and atoned for at that moment.
With this knowledge one has to ask how do we know Jesus took up our sins and died for them? Well, One would have to ask what was the punishment of sin? Lets take a look, Genesis states it quite plainly.
Genesis 3 states:
The woman, for her sin, is condemned to a state of sorrow, and of subjection; proper punishments of that sin, in which she had sought to gratify the desire of her eye, and of the flesh, and her pride.
Lets take a look at this verse. It appears women should never be happy ever since sin entered the world. A state of sorrow would indicate a way of being that does not change. We can see that woman today do have smiles on there face. Okay we can give this one to Jesus.
Next verse on sin.
Genesis 3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee,"
Here we woman will be in severe pain while under the curse of sin. Jesus took away that curse. If any woman would like to chime in on this one I would appreciate it. Do you in fact feel pain when giving birth or are you simply faking it? I would imagine this one is obvious and Jesus' death did in fact not help with this sin at all. So Jesus is 1 for 2.
Next verse on sin.
I am sure everyone knows about Adam and Eve being nude in the Garden. They were unaware they were naked until Sin entered the world.
Are we now unaware of our nakedness since Jesus died? Well I see people wearing clothes pretty regularly which would indicate people do indeed know they are naked whether saved or not. Jesus is 1 for 3.
Okay onto to the final verse on sin I will bring up.
- Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
(Rom. 5:12).
- ...or as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive
(1 Cor. 15:22)
I first want to note I am not attempting to persuade anyone of anything. I have not taken a side as of yet on being Agnostic or a Believer. Just simply reading what the Bible states and comparing it with reality.
Here is my question.
Based on this reality. Did Jesus take on our sins in death or not? If he did then explain.
If he did not take on our sins in death then what was his death for? How did things differ before he died?
Thank you. These answers will be very informative.
B.D.
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