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Did Jesus Teach Freedom From Religious Law
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dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
No. I'm quite sure that the Gospels quote Jesus directing his disciples to follow his law, Jesus' law, because The Father had delegated authority on to him.
YellowFeather
Member
God did not make the law for the righteous man, the disobedient ones. so they have understanding of their sins. 1 Timothy 8:9 The whole duty of man is to obey the Commandments Ecclesiastes 12:13 If you want to enter life obey the commandments Mathew 19:17 When we obey we are then no longer under the law because our minds no longer think of doing wrong. Romans 6:114 For sin shall not have dominion over you; for ye are under grace; 15 What then shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but grace? God forbids. The knowledge of the whole word is more powerful then knowing just a few verses.
Law or advise? Was love God and love your neighbor as yourself given as a law or advise?
So a "Christian" who sees themselves as righteous, can do what they want, being that whatever they want wouldn't be sin?
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
I think so. He put people before dogma. He went by the spirit of the law, not the letter of it. Grace and love were more important than legalism.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
I'll look for the precise verse. I remember it as "law", but, I could be wrong.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Jesus said that he would have the observance of the Law in his followers' hearts. This was not unheard of as Hillel the Elder prior to Jesus said that the entire Law deals with love of God and love of neighbor.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
Matthew 28
18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
commanded - ἐνετειλάμην - eneteilamēn
If you would like a more rigorous word study, let me know.
Though I've heard some feel this last part of Matthew was added to include the trinity. The wording from Luke 24:47 - and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things. Which makes it sound more like a prophecy than a command.
However, it is what it is.
dybmh
ויהי מבדיל בין מים למים
It is what it is.
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
The question needs refining to the 613 Jewish laws of Leviticus, the 10 Commandments handed down through Moses, the 7 laws of the Covenant with Noah?
The 7 of Noah are basicly covered within the 10 from Moses. The 613 I don't recall Jesus ever mentioning other than what he said about what comes from the mouth is more important than what goes in. However, he confirmed the 10 Commandments individually through his teachings and condensed them into the 2 Great Commandments. These I believe is what he was referring to by saying not an iota of the law is to be changed.
The 7 of Noah are basicly covered within the 10 from Moses. The 613 I don't recall Jesus ever mentioning other than what he said about what comes from the mouth is more important than what goes in. However, he confirmed the 10 Commandments individually through his teachings and condensed them into the 2 Great Commandments. These I believe is what he was referring to by saying not an iota of the law is to be changed.
I believe he taught freedom, meaning that people obey the law willingly and freely, not because they must do so.
YellowFeather
Member
God gives us the freewill to do is to chose right from wrong. Those who follow and obey God chose life. Those who follow the world and its wrong way chose death.
YellowFeather
Member
Deuteronomy 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life? and good, and death and evil; 16 In that I command thee this day to love God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statues and his judgements, that thou may live and multiply; and God shall bless thee 19 I have heaven and earth record this day against you. that I have set before you LIFE and Death, blessing and cursing. therefore choose LIFE,
YellowFeather
Member
There is 10 Commandments that were written for man to follow Exodus Chapter 20, 1 Thou have no other gods before me. 2 you shall have no idols. 3 you shall not make idols: 4 Thou shall not take the Lords name in vain. 5 Remember the sabbath. 6 Honor they Father and Mother. 6 You shall not murder. 7 you shall not commit adultery. 8 you shall not steal. 9 you shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor 10 you shall not covet. God only gives us 10 simple laws to follow. When we follow them we live good lives among the pagans.
PureX
Veteran Member
Jesus was a Jew. And Jews then and now are not evangelical. They do not believe that anyone needs to become a Jew to fulfill their rightful place with God.
So when Jesus was speaking to his fellow Jews, he would admonish them to follow their religious proscriptions. Because they were Jews. But when he was speaking to non-Jews, he referred them to the proscriptions of the spirit (love, forgiveness, kindness, and generosity, etc.).
Jesus was not starting a new religion. He was a Jew and he remained a Jew to his death. He was introducing humanity to a new spiritual awakening that was for everyone, Jews and non-Jews alike. This was later tuned into a religion because we humans just cant help but make everything 'tribal'.
So when Jesus was speaking to his fellow Jews, he would admonish them to follow their religious proscriptions. Because they were Jews. But when he was speaking to non-Jews, he referred them to the proscriptions of the spirit (love, forgiveness, kindness, and generosity, etc.).
Jesus was not starting a new religion. He was a Jew and he remained a Jew to his death. He was introducing humanity to a new spiritual awakening that was for everyone, Jews and non-Jews alike. This was later tuned into a religion because we humans just cant help but make everything 'tribal'.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Absolutely not.
- He taught Jews obedience to the Torah, which contains 613 laws. You find exactly this in Matthew 3:17-19: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
- He even taught obedience to the oral Torah, telling his followers to obey what the Pharisees taught, in Matthew 23:1-3: 1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you.
How many of these 613 laws do Christians follow?
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Matthew 23:1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you.