Did Jesus use Wine or Grape Juice for the Eucharist?

[Rainbow Mage]

I see that Methodism in many ways has gotten far away from it's puritan roots. That's probably why the Wesleyans and more conservative groups broke off from Methodist, but I'm glad you're not ultra conservative. I was taught something as an Anglican and I still believe it, that a church that doesn't evolve and grow with time is a dead church.

 

[Kathryn]

I agree. Heck, no, I am not an ultra conservative, either religiously, personally, or politically. I don't like being too constrained!

 

[logician]

LOL I'm Methodist and we may not drink wine at communion (a throwback to the Methodist involvement in the Prohibition of the '30s) but we sure do drink it just about any other time!

We had dinner with our pastor a few weeks ago and between the four of us we demolished several bottles of vino.

Certainly not all United Methodists approve of drinking. Many do not approve of it anytime.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I don't know, I've yet to meet a Methodist who didn't approve of drinking, I've met more Conservative sects like Wesleyans who don't approve

 

[logician]

I don't know, I've yet to meet a Methodist who didn't approve of drinking, I've met more Conservative sects like Wesleyans who don't approve

They must have changed a lot from the churches I grew up in, drinking was strcitly a no-no in every Methodist, United Brethern, or United Methodist church I was in.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Methodists have changed a lot, which I think is only a good thing. If I'm not mistaken Methodists are now welcoming of gay people as well, just not in the pulpit.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I think it was more than likely wine, however the wine back then was likely much different than modern wine. I think I remember reading somewhere that the alcohol content was much less.

Not too low, though. Others here know the history much better than I do, but as a homebrewer, I know that if you have an alcohol concentration high enough to make bacterially-contaminated water safe, then the concentration's high enough to get you drunk.

I don't know, I've yet to meet a Methodist who didn't approve of drinking, I've met more Conservative sects like Wesleyans who don't approve

On my Dad's side, I descend from a long line of Irish Methodist teetotallers.

 

[Kathryn]

Certainly not all United Methodists approve of drinking. Many do not approve of it anytime.

I never said all United Methodists approve of drinking.

In the American South, which is where I was born and raised, the Methodists in most small towns are considered to be pretty liberal - just a rung or two below those heathen Episcopalians, and maybe two or three rungs below those hellbound Roman Catholics.

At least according to the Southern Baptists. Methodists are a drinking and dancing crowd - and they might even SMOKE - or GAMBLE.

 

[Wotan]

It's important to people who would otherwise think that drinking alcohol is sinful. It's important to people who struggle with alcoholism yet want to live their faith as closely to the standards of the early church as possible. It's important to people who take their study of the bible very seriously and want to know as much as possible about the meaning of the original languages of the bible. It's important to people who love the tiny details of history.

Just to give a few examples. There may be other reasons also.

OK, that makes sense. I guess. In its own terms anyway.

But if I remember this mythology correctly the 1st miracle JC is reported to have preformed was turning water into wine. If true then where did this idea of drink being a sin come from? I know what I was TOLD yea these many decades past but it made no sense then and still doesn't.

In any case it seems passed obvious that if he created the stuff he approved of it.

 

[Kathryn]

You would think.

I'm sure there have always been people who disapproved of drinking, regardless of religious beliefs. The issue is of course that some people cannot handle ANY amount of alcohol, so maybe some people think it's sort of like letting a baby play with a loaded gun.

Personally, I've never believed that drinking responsibly is a sin. Nor was I taught that at home or at church.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I never thought drinking responsibly was a sin either, and I STILL think drinking excessively is. Well sin may not be quite the word, more like wrong action.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Then again because of my worldview I don't think doing anything excessively is good, even eating and drinking. It leads to attachment, which leads to suffering.

 

[logician]

Methodists have changed a lot, which I think is only a good thing. If I'm not mistaken Methodists are now welcoming of gay people as well, just not in the pulpit.

Kind of hypocritical, don't ya think.:sleep:

 

[Kathryn]

Kind of hypocritical, don't ya think.:sleep:

The man who never alters his opinion is as standing water, and breeds reptiles of the mind.

William Blake

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Kind of hypocritical, don't ya think.

What a remarkably stupid statement ...

 

[logician]

Of course, many denominations don't accept women in the pullpit. I used to be friends with a woman mnister who had to change denominations just to find a ministership, and I still think she ran into problems after that.

 

[Kathryn]

I used to be friends with an atheist who had to change jobs just to get a promotion - not because of her beliefs, but just because she was in a male dominated company.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Well Anglicans ordain women and homosexuals Logican I'm glad to say Kemetic Orthodoxy does too