Did Milley Do the Right Thing?

[Subduction Zone]

That is correct. I did not intended to imply that the MSM quoted me. What I intended to say was that you took a small section of my sentence and changed it as MSM has done to others in the past.


Let's take a look at the sentence highlighted in red.
I'm saying that if he violated the UCMJ he still must face a Court Martial even if he thouht he was violating the UCMJ was the right think to do




I have not read the book but reading what CNN wrote. see: Woodward/Costa book: Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took secret action to protect nuclear weapons - CNNPolitics
Trump's top military adviser, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, single-handedly took secret action to limit Trump from potentially ordering a dangerous military strike or launching nuclear weapons.
I can see that if the above is true there are a few Articles of the UCMJ he violated.
Article 92 Failure to obey and lawful order.
Article 94 Mutiny and Sedition
Article 134 General Article

Now it is possible that I thought you were refering to the highlighted red sentence. If you were not then I retract my accusation that you misquoted me.

Okay. let's grant that if he broke the UCMJ that he will have to face a court martial. It does not appear that he broke any of the codes. Pick one that you think that he broke and be specific in your arguments. For example I see that you list "Failure to obey and<sic> lawful order" I do not know of any lawful orders that he disobeyed. I cannot even name an unlawful order that he disobeyed. Once again, be specific in what rules he broke and how.

 

[esmith]

Okay. let's grant that if he broke the UCMJ that he will have to face a court martial. It does not appear that he broke any of the codes. Pick one that you think that he broke and be specific in your arguments. For example I see that you list "Failure to obey and<sic> lawful order" I do not know of any lawful orders that he disobeyed. I cannot even name an unlawful order that he disobeyed. Once again, be specific in what rules he broke and how.

As I stated in the pervious post, which you refere to, I have no further information on what did or did not happen except for what CNN reported.
Therefore I base the 3 articles of the UCMJ on their reporting IMO

 

[Ponder This]

This is from CNN, and you may respond after reading it:

Washington (CNN)Two days after the January 6 attack on the US Capitol, President Donald Trump's top military adviser, Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, single-handedly took secret action to limit Trump from potentially ordering a dangerous military strike or launching nuclear weapons, according to "Peril," a new book by legendary journalist Bob Woodward and veteran Washington Post reporter Robert Costa.

Woodward and Costa write that Milley, deeply shaken by the assault, 'was certain that Trump had gone into a serious mental decline in the aftermath of the election, with Trump now all but manic, screaming at officials and constructing his own alternate reality about endless election conspiracies.'
Milley worried that Trump could 'go rogue,' the authors write.
"You never know what a president's trigger point is," Milley told his senior staff, according to the book.

In response, Milley took extraordinary action, and called a secret meeting in his Pentagon office on January 8 to review the process for military action, including launching nuclear weapons. Speaking to senior military officials in charge of the National Military Command Center, the Pentagon's war room, Milley instructed them not to take orders from anyone unless he was involved.

"No matter what you are told, you do the procedure. You do the process. And I'm part of that procedure," Milley told the officers, according to the book. He then went around the room, looked each officer in the eye, and asked them to verbally confirm they understood... -- Woodward/Costa book: Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took secret action to protect nuclear weapons - CNNPolitics

The whole article is well worth the read, btw.

No, General Milley did not do the right thing.

General Milley was not and is not in the chain of command for nuclear weapons. The act of inserting himself into that chain of command is sufficient to have him removed even if his intentions were/are benign. No one can simply insert himself into the chain of command around nuclear weapons. That is not a permissible action.

General Milley may very well have thought Trump was crazy. General Milley might think he's saving the world. For all I know, General Milley thinks Biden has dementia. Is General Milley secretly controlling the nuclear weapons right now, just in case Biden loses it? It is unacceptable.

 

[metis]

General Milley was not and is not in the chain of command for nuclear weapons.

Actually he is even though we don't know the specifics.

This was disclosed during Nixon's final year in office as there was concern he could start a nuclear war on his own, but we were then rest assured that he couldn't actually do that,

General Milley may very well have thought Trump was crazy.

A correct assessment.

Is General Milley secretly controlling the nuclear weapons right now, just in case Biden loses it? It is unacceptable.

Again, there are precautions even if we don't know the specifics.

 

[ecco]

Now it is possible that I thought you were refering to the highlighted red sentence. If you were not then I retract my accusation that you misquoted me.

It's all good.

Bye.

 

[Ponder This]

Actually he is even though we don't know the specifics.

This was disclosed during Nixon's final year in office as there was concern he could start a nuclear war on his own, but we were then rest assured that he couldn't actually do that,

A correct assessment.

Again, there are precautions even if we don't know the specifics.

If he has a legitimate role in the nuclear weapon chain of command that is one thing, but as far as I know, he doesn't have a legitimate role in that. The rightness and wrongness of his actions hinges on that critical point. I think we agree.

 

[metis]

If he has a legitimate role in the nuclear weapon chain of command that is one thing, but as far as I know, he doesn't have a legitimate role in that. The rightness and wrongness of his actions hinges on that critical point. I think we agree.

If he has a "legitimate role", then it's quite probable that he would be involved in any attempt by a president to launch a nuclear attack.

As it stands, we well know that Trump was distraught and was saying some quite bizarre things, according to even McCarthy but some other insiders as well. His constant repetition of the "Big Lie" and his attempt to arm-twist some who conducted the electioneering in four states confirms this.

We should never trust just one person on something like this, and twice we've been told that we don't as a nation.

 

[Friend of Mara]

Trump got curbed left and right within his own government. Most of the time its because Trump was either asking outlandish things to outright illegal things. Back in the olden years when we impeached him there were quite a number of people whose testimony boiled down to "yes he asked me to do something illegal. No I didn't do it."

 

[esmith]

Trump got curbed left and right within his own government. Most of the time its because Trump was either asking outlandish things to outright illegal things. Back in the olden years when we impeached him there were quite a number of people whose testimony boiled down to "yes he asked me to do something illegal. No I didn't do it."

Fact's vice opinion is needed here.