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Did Obama Do Enough About Russian Involmement In The 2016 Election?

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
You stated that people in suburbs and inner cities are much more racist. I doubt white people in suburbs or inner cities are more racist than conservatives in rural areas.

You want me to show factual data that supports how some people in certain areas may have never seen a black person or a hispanic person before?

I actually believe it's the wealthy whites within urban or semi-urban enclaves who are probably the most racist of all, since they control and engineer the policies in question (while cleverly blaming it all on "rural whites" who are impoverished and powerless to have any influence at all). They may even identify as "liberal," so they know how to play the game and say all the politically correct things (while quick to condemn those who say politically incorrect things). They live in insular, gated communities to protect themselves from the "riff raff" out there. They see minorities in more abstract terms, either as "faithful servants" or symbols of oppression (which is/was caused only by rural whites, not the sophisticated urbanites who are "progressive" and "liberal").

I think they're actually closet racists who are so afraid of being found out that they end up accusing everyone around them of being racists. (This might also apply to a few members in this forum.) They're also irredeemable capitalists who have gained their wealth by exploiting minorities in the US, as well as countless millions of others in the developing world by their shameless embrace of globalism and free trade. But because they verbally attack impoverished hillbillies in West Virginia, they actually believe they can face the world with a clear conscience and that everyone should praise them for their "enlightened" views. They're not fooling anyone but themselves.

Rural whites are not as insular as you might think, at least in terms of seeing black and Hispanic people, since there are plenty of rural blacks and Hispanics as well. In fact, it's kind of uncanny, when I see rural whites, blacks, and Hispanics, I observe that they are soooo much more alike than they are different. It's mainly in the cities where there are sharper contrasts between lifestyle and culture in different neighborhoods. There's greater tension, anger, and class resentment emanating from the so-called "ghetto" neighborhoods versus the wealthier, upscale, gentrified neighborhoods. The income gaps and extreme contrasts between rich and poor are far more prevalent in urban America than what you'd see in rural areas. Blacks, whites, and Hispanics in rural areas have approximately the same level of standard of living - and they're all equally screwed by the rich whites in the cities.
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
I actually believe it's the wealthy whites within urban or semi-urban enclaves who are probably the most racist of all, since they control and engineer the policies in question (while cleverly blaming it all on "rural whites" who are impoverished and powerless to have any influence at all). They may even identify as "liberal," so they know how to play the game and say all the politically correct things (while quick to condemn those who say politically incorrect things). They live in insular, gated communities to protect themselves from the "riff raff" out there. They see minorities in more abstract terms, either as "faithful servants" or symbols of oppression (which is/was caused only by rural whites, not the sophisticated urbanites who are "progressive" and "liberal").

I think they're actually closet racists who are so afraid of being found out that they end up accusing everyone around them of being racists. (This might also apply to a few members in this forum.) They're also irredeemable capitalists who have gained their wealth by exploiting minorities in the US, as well as countless millions of others in the developing world by their shameless embrace of globalism and free trade. But because they verbally attack impoverished hillbillies in West Virginia, they actually believe they can face the world with a clear conscience and that everyone should praise them for their "enlightened" views. They're not fooling anyone but themselves.

Rural whites are not as insular as you might think, at least in terms of seeing black and Hispanic people, since there are plenty of rural blacks and Hispanics as well. In fact, it's kind of uncanny, when I see rural whites, blacks, and Hispanics, I observe that they are soooo much more alike than they are different. It's mainly in the cities where there are sharper contrasts between lifestyle and culture in different neighborhoods. There's greater tension, anger, and class resentment emanating from the so-called "ghetto" neighborhoods versus the wealthier, upscale, gentrified neighborhoods. The income gaps and extreme contrasts between rich and poor are far more prevalent in urban America than what you'd see in rural areas. Blacks, whites, and Hispanics in rural areas have approximately the same level of standard of living - and they're all equally screwed by the rich whites in the cities.
Your racial pessimism is refreshing but middle class whites and most monorities voted Hillary. Trump got rural whites, not sure why but it contradicts your sentiment.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Spin it esmith. You didn't like me pointing out how you think minorities are the biggest racists. GOP media teaches people that, it's called the race card.

Poppycock, I don't think minorities are the biggest racists. What I do think is that there are those of all ethnic groups that exhibit racism. That racism can manifest itself depending on the area of the country that you live in and the environment that one grows up in. Also a persons attitude can change due to external forces acting on them through others acts and deeds.

As far as your statement that the GOP plays the race card is ludicrous. I though you watched a lot of political TV (what a wast of time). What political party advanced the idea that the other politician party was only for a certain ethnic group. Give you a hint, it wasn't the GOP
A foreign perspective of the Democrats and their "race card" agenda
Democrats playing race card - again
 

idav

Being
Premium Member
A foreign perspective of the Democrats and their "race card" agenda
Democrats playing race card - again
The problem is trump alienated far too many types of people. It isn't surprising rural whites didn't feel alienated by trump, he didn't say anything bad about them and promised them their jobs. Trump may never be able to recoup the folks he alienated, whether due to their race religion or what ever.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Your racial pessimism is refreshing but middle class whites and most monorities voted Hillary. Trump got rural whites, not sure why but it contradicts your sentiment.

Actually, most people didn't even vote at all. I'm not sure how any of this is relevant to what I said, so there's no possible way it contradicts anything here.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
What Russia wanted was to undermine American trust in the elections. To delegitimize the election process and results. That being the case wouldn't no action be the best response?
 

esmith

Veteran Member
The problem is trump alienated far too many types of people. It isn't surprising rural whites didn't feel alienated by trump, he didn't say anything bad about them and promised them their jobs. Trump may never be able to recoup the folks he alienated, whether due to their race religion or what ever.
@tytlyf was not addressing President Trump directly, if you read his statement in post #40 you will read that he said GOP and the media that supports him that plays the "race card". I was attempting to show that his statement was incorrect.

As far as your statement. It seems to be a fact that he did not alienate enough voters to not win the election.
You know as much as I disagreed with the Obama I was at least considerate enough to at least use proper grammar when writing his proper name.
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
What Russia wanted was to undermine American trust in the elections. To delegitimize the election process and results. That being the case wouldn't no action be the best response?
Why would pretending that nothing happened, and not taking steps to fix the issue in the future, be the best course of action?
 
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