Did this guy mak some valid points?

[YeshuaRedeemed]

I have been rethinking my position. I think last resort choice is okay, but we should discuss safe sex education, Medicare for all, contraceptive choice, and all of that before we quote get rid of the baby as a first resort, because scientifically, it is a human life. For the record, I am a moderate democrat. Peace. Oh, and when two human lives are involved, one has to be moderate on abortion. I wont show them here, but I saw the pictures, and researched the science. It's a human life, but i tend to agree with many of the points made in this video. What are your thoughts?

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

There have been abortions for thousands of years and there will continue to be abortions for thousands more years. They can be done with some safety in hospitals but if that is not allowed they will be done unsafely in back alleys and other unsafe and unclean places. Of course other options should be considered but if a woman is determined to have an abortion she will fins a way. Why not let it be a safe way?

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is arguable whether a fetus is human life in the same sense that a baby is. And not even the Bible supports your beliefs.

I am anti-abortion too. But I am also pro-choice. I want to try to make their as few abortions as possible. That is why I support planned parenthood. Do you support that organization?

 

[Earthling]

I think Jesse makes sense in his criticism of political factions and their impracticality and shortsightedness, but I don't think abortion should be considered as any sort of solution. Contraception and abstinence. What it boils down to is, for the most part, irresponsible sexual practices. In cases where abortion would be a last ditch effort why not adoption. That is by no means perfect but it's better than abortion. Still, it's a problem of society. Christians and society have different approaches on the subject and neither should try and enforce their position on the other.

 

[sun rise]

I am anti-abortion too. But I am also pro-choice. I want to try to make their as few abortions as possible. That is why I support planned parenthood.

why not adoption

Those who are against abortion should make every effort fix all the issues around pregnancy and support the woman. I don't consider abortion as murder until the fetus is viable outside the womb, say 22 weeks or so. But I also don't like abortion at all and want to have society help women make good choices before pregnancy.

And even after pregnancy, society or those opposed to abortion should support women with all sorts of services and financial support so they don't feel psychological or economic pressure to abort.

But if abortion is outlawed because the fetus is considered human, then it's murder. If I get a hit man to kill my wife, I'm a criminal. If a pregnant woman hires a doctor to "kill" the fetus, the woman is a criminal as well because it's the same act. Those who want to outlaw abortion should be consistent.

And, in fact the abortion rate is going on, significantly so. Maybe we need more research about why that is happening. For example, There was a 15% decline in the abortion rate in California between 2011 and 2014, from 23 to 19.5 abortions per 1,000 women of reproductive age. Discovering why that happened would be an interesting finding.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think Jesse makes sense in his criticism of political factions and their impracticality and shortsightedness, but I don't think abortion should be considered as any sort of solution. Contraception and abstinence. What it boils down to is, for the most part, irresponsible sexual practices. In cases where abortion would be a last ditch effort why not adoption. That is by no means perfect but it's better than abortion. Still, it's a problem of society. Christians and society have different approaches on the subject and neither should try and enforce their position on the other.

Because neither one is one hundred percent effective. People sometimes try abstinence and fail. If a person cannot remain abstinent then that method fails. That is why the teen pregnancy rate is so high in Texas, a state that often teaches abstinence only.

 

[Earthling]

Because neither one is one hundred percent effective. People sometimes try abstinence and fail. If a person cannot remain abstinent then that method fails. That is why the teen pregnancy rate is so high in Texas, a state that often teaches abstinence only.

Do you think abstinence, birth control and adoption would be preferable to abortion? What kind of women are more prone to have abortions as a solution. Students, young career oriented, single, poor, rape victims? For me this is just a topic of discussion. The Christians have their perspective and society outside of the Christian congregation have theirs.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you think abstinence, birth control and adoption would be preferable to abortion? What kind of women are more prone to have abortions as a solution. Students, young career oriented, single, poor, rape victims? For me this is just a topic of discussion. The Christians have their perspective and society outside of the Christian congregation have theirs.

Yes, preferable. But people are not perfect. There will always be a need for abortions. The ideal is to lower that number by offering appropriate services. It is more immoral to ban abortions than to have them legal in my opinion.

And I am betting that Christians are more apt to have abortions because too many of them are taught that birth control is a sin. Or it is "proof" that one is sinning.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Yes, he has a point and that has been stated before. I'm fine with abortion for population control and eugenic purposes (for the extreme cases) but obviously education and birth control needs to be made as available as possible.

 

[Earthling]

Yes, preferable. But people are not perfect. There will always be a need for abortions. The ideal is to lower that number by offering appropriate services. It is more immoral to ban abortions than to have them legal in my opinion.

And I am betting that Christians are more apt to have abortions because too many of them are taught that birth control is a sin. Or it is "proof" that one is sinning.

I wouldn't doubt that. I know that in the stump jumpin' high school I attended it seemed a problem with Baptist girls. Of course those poor things were probably forced into that life by their parents.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I have been rethinking my position. I think last resort choice is okay, but we should discuss safe sex education, Medicare for all, contraceptive choice, and all of that before we quote get rid of the baby as a first resort, because scientifically, it is a human life. For the record, I am a moderate democrat. Peace. Oh, and when two human lives are involved, one has to be moderate on abortion. I wont show them here, but I saw the pictures, and researched the science. It's a human life, but i tend to agree with many of the points made in this video. What are your thoughts?

I think once the nervous system comes "online" life at that point should be sacrosanct. My issue concerning abortion will always be revolved around the ability for the fetus to perceive and feel pain.

Do Fetuses Feel Pain? What the Science Says

 

[BSM1]

I think Jesse makes sense in his criticism of political factions and their impracticality and shortsightedness, but I don't think abortion should be considered as any sort of solution. Contraception and abstinence. What it boils down to is, for the most part, irresponsible sexual practices. In cases where abortion would be a last ditch effort why not adoption. That is by no means perfect but it's better than abortion. Still, it's a problem of society. Christians and society have different approaches on the subject and neither should try and enforce their position on the other.

Orphanages are full of kids now; how many have you offered to take in?

 

[Earthling]

Orphanages are full of kids now; how many have you offered to take in?

Yeah, you may be right. Just nip it in the bud. Kill 'em before they're born. Everybody f#@k. We can kill 'em before they're born.

 

[BSM1]

Yeah, you may be right. Just nip it in the bud. Kill 'em before they're born. Everybody f#@k. We can kill 'em before they're born.

Should be the choice of the person carrying the fetus without judgement or prejudice.

 

[Earthling]

Should be the choice of the person carrying the fetus without judgement or prejudice.

Yes it should be, and it should be their responsibility before it gets to that point, and the responsibility of someone in educating them.

 

[BSM1]

Yes it should be, and it should be their responsibility before it gets to that point, and the responsibility of someone in educating them.

Not arguing that point with you as I agree. However, bottom line it's still the mother's decision alone. This is entirely no one else's business no matter how much it offends your sensibilities.

 

[Earthling]

Not arguing that point with you as I agree. However, bottom line it's still the mother's decision alone. This is entirely no one else's business no matter how much it offends your sensibilities.

I agree with you, ultimately it is the mother's decision, and it should be but I think the father should have something to say about it and you can't really expect society not to have something to say about it, and I think it's an important thing to discuss.

 

[BSM1]

I agree with you, ultimately it is the mother's decision, and it should be but I think the father should have something to say about it and you can't really expect society not to have something to say about it, and I think it's an important thing to discuss.

What if the 'father' had raped the girl? Could he say that the girl must carry the fetus to term, give birth, and be responsible for raising his child for the next 18 years?

 

[Brickjectivity]

I have been rethinking my position. I think last resort choice is okay, but we should discuss safe sex education, Medicare for all, contraceptive choice, and all of that before we quote get rid of the baby as a first resort, because scientifically, it is a human life. For the record, I am a moderate democrat. Peace. Oh, and when two human lives are involved, one has to be moderate on abortion. I wont show them here, but I saw the pictures, and researched the science. It's a human life, but i tend to agree with many of the points made in this video. What are your thoughts?

Everything is upside down. One quick way to gain political support is to claim to oppose abortion -- even if you really don't. Abortion was not a political issue until Jerry Falwell.and his cronies were empowered by television. Nobody believes in truth anymore. It used to be that people knew that money corrupted religions. Now anybody who pays lip service to God gets the support of the churches, and its perfectly fine for ministry to live in cushy mansions and to leave their ministries to their children as heirlooms. The pro-life 'Plank' is rarely stepped out outside of election time, but during election time they will tap dance on it. They won't denounce the evils of the ministries, and the ministries in turn support them. Its back scratching. Its indulgences all over again.

 

[Earthling]

What if the 'father' had raped the girl? Could he say that the girl must carry the fetus to term, give birth, and be responsible for raising his child for the next 18 years?

You and I have already established that since the mother is carrying the child it is her decision, so whatever you and I say amounts to nothing. Of course in the case of rape the father doesn't get to decide but forget about the mother and father and consider the child.