did Turkey goverment permited to Jihadist to enter to Syria since 2011 til now?

[Godobeyer]

Hi all

I am with discuss with a Turkey sister about Turkey policy in Syria (btw I am Muslim and She is Muslimah ) since 4 years (2011 to 2015 ), she insisting that Turkey did not allowed to Terrorists to across to Syria , and there is no proof . and she considere that's claim as anti-Turkish .

for your opinion Turkey had bad role in Syria criss by allowed to Jihadist (and may trained them) ? or it's just claim ?

Jon Stewart Turkey Erdogan helps ISIS at Kobane

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[metis]

Yes, they had been observed going into Syria from Iran, so there really is no mystery about this.

 

[leibowde84]

Hi all

I am with discuss with a Turkey sister about Turkey policy in Syria (btw I am Muslim and She is Muslimah ) since 4 years (2011 to 2015 ), she insisting that Turkey did not allowed to Terrorists to across to Syria , and there is no proof . and she considere that's claim as anti-Turkish .

for your opinion Turkey had bad role in Syria criss by allowed to Jihadist (and may trained them) ? or it's just claim ?

Jon Stewart Turkey Erdogan helps ISIS at Kobane

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I don't know whether it's fair to judge Turkey unless they were found to be helping terrorists to cross the border. That is a huge border, and I can only assume it would be impossible to secure with what is happening these days. So, shouldn't we all expect this to happen, as there is no reasonable way to stop it?

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't know whether it's fair to judge Turkey unless they were found to be helping terrorists to cross the border. That is a huge border, and I can only assume it would be impossible to secure with what is happening these days. So, shouldn't we all expect this to happen, as there is no reasonable way to stop it?

good point and question .

1- since 4 years , did the Turkish army stop Jihadist or weapons in border .Never .

2-I don't think is a good justify huge border , cos it's full of turkish army , and for sure all the ways are full of security til the borer .

 

[leibowde84]

good point and question .

1- since 4 years , did the Turkish army stop Jihadist or weapons in border .Never .

2-I don't think is a good justify huge border , cos it's full of turkish army , and for sure all the ways are full of security til the borer .

I mean, look at the US border. We are not even close to being able to control our southern border. Why do you think Turkey should be able to when the US can't do the same?

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I don't think there is any evidence that it was intentionally direguarded. It was probably just a failure on their part and the capturing of terrorists was probably not a priority to the Turks at that time.

 

[NoX]

good point and question .

1- since 4 years , did the Turkish army stop Jihadist or weapons in border .Never .

2-I don't think is a good justify huge border , cos it's full of turkish army , and for sure all the ways are full of security til the borer .

There is an Italian saying, "if you want to know who is behind it, look at who benefits from it more."

Who benefits from the situations that ISIS creates ? Its not Turkiye for sure.

 

[leibowde84]

There is an Italian saying, "if you want to know who is behind it, look at who benefits from it more."

Who benefits from the situations that ISIS creates ? Its not Turkiye for sure.

I feel like ISIS is the only group that benefits from ISIS. Am I missing something? Can you provide some evidence to back up that, in this specific circumstance it is reasonable to blame whoever benefited from it? I know the quote you cited very well, but, obviously, no quote of this sort is meant to be an absolute. In other words, even the "Italian" who said this would not have dreamed that it would be taken as a hard-and-fast rule.

 

[columbus]

@NoX is making a good point though.
What the Turkish to wants and what border guards do might be different.
And I remember when ISIS had strong support here in the USA. Sen. John McCain advocated for giving them antiaircraft missiles to counter Assad's air superiority.

Of course they weren't called ISIS then. They were still just Syrian rebels.
Tom

 

[Godobeyer]

There is an Italian saying, "if you want to know who is behind it, look at who benefits from it more."

Who benefits from the situations that ISIS creates ? Its not Turkiye for sure.

that not mystery ONLY benefit is : Israel regime .

So if Turkey is not the benefits one , why the regime let Weapons and Jihadists get in Syria through Turkey border ?

cos for my opinion .
Turkey regime and Kings of oil regimes are just tools in this war .

Honestly ,you don't deny that Turkey regime permited to Jihadists to get in Syria through Turkey ?

NOTE:
please notice ,I am not talking about Turkey nation/people , i am taking about Turkey regime and politic position in Syria criss.

 

[metis]

that not mystery ONLY benefit is : Israel regime .

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

that not mystery ONLY benefit is : Israel regime .

For many years now the border-crossing tax has been used to subsidize the IDF's laffa allotment.

 

[NoX]

that not mystery ONLY benefit is : Israel regime .

So if Turkey is not the benefits one , why the regime let Weapons and Jihadists get in Syria through Turkey border ?

cos for my opinion .
Turkey regime and Kings of oil regimes are just tools in this war .

Honestly ,you don't deny that Turkey regime permited to Jihadists to get in Syria through Turkey ?

NOTE:
please notice ,I am not talking about Turkey nation/people , i am taking about Turkey regime and politic position in Syria criss.

LoL sorry but I doNT want to talk with you more.

 

[leibowde84]

LoL sorry but I doNT want to talk with you more.

Why are you even on Religious Forums if you refuse to discuss anything with people who disagree with you? He stated his honest opinion about this Turkey issue. I mean, I disagree with him in that I feel as if he is being unrealistic as to Turkey's ability to stop every person from crossing the border, but I am at least respectful enough to provide a counter-argument. It seems like if anyone says anything that YOU CONSIDER TO BE A CRITICISM OF TURKEY OR ISLAM, you consider it an insult and refuse to address it. In my mind, if you say "I don't want to talk to you anymore", it is tantamount to accepting defeat.

 

[Godobeyer]

For many years now the border-crossing tax has been used to subsidize the IDF's laffa allotment.

it's cool that you made your ignore option under your avatar as warning

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

it's cool that you made your ignore option under your avatar as warning

It's not a warning to you, my friend. Salaam ...

 

[Godobeyer]

Why are you even on Religious Forums if you refuse to discuss anything with people who disagree with you? He stated his honest opinion about this Turkey issue. I mean, I disagree with him in that I feel as if he is being unrealistic as to Turkey's ability to stop every person from crossing the border, but I am at least respectful enough to provide a counter-argument. It seems like if anyone says anything that YOU CONSIDER TO BE A CRITICISM OF TURKEY OR ISLAM, you consider it an insult and refuse to address it. In my mind, if you say "I don't want to talk to you anymore", it is tantamount to accepting defeat.

It's seems these days my opinion get me more hates and low respect by some Muslims , sometimes the truth hurts , but we need to accept it , not to make up it .

if my country had bad role in something , i will not hesitate to condemn that .

 

[Godobeyer]

It's not a warning to you, my friend. Salaam ...

i know it's not for me , Shaloom .

 

[columbus]

i know it's not for me , Shaloom .

Jay put me on ignore a long time ago because he didn't like my criticism of Zionists.

Tom

 

[Godobeyer]

Jay put me on ignore a long time ago because he didn't like my criticism of Zionists.

Tom

so I am lucky that he did not put me on ignore , I critic Zionists and Israel and Talmud and Torah

btw what is your opinion about Turkey my poll ?