did Turkey goverment permited to Jihadist to enter to Syria since 2011 til now?

[columbus]

so I am lucky that he did not put me on ignore , I critic Zionists and Israel and Talmud and Torah

btw what is your opinion about Turkey my poll ?

I'm the one who voted "I don't know". I have no way of knowing what the Turkish government did or ignored. And I am sure that their opinions changed over the 4 years.

Apparently my criticism of Zionists hit closer to Jay's beliefs than yours do. I am the one who suggested his new title, but he only read about it when lots of other people agreed with me, like Dantech.
Tom

 

[NoX]

I'm the one who voted "I don't know". I have no way of knowing what the Turkish government did or ignored. And I am sure that their opinions changed over the 4 years.

Apparently my criticism of Zionists hit closer to Jay's beliefs than yours do. I am the one who suggested his new title, but he only read about it when lots of other people agreed with me, like Dantech.
Tom

We are the first country, who said "ISIS is a terror organization", while all the other countries still was accepting them as just another opposition group in tens of others.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm the one who voted "I don't know". I have no way of knowing what the Turkish government did or ignored. And I am sure that their opinions changed over the 4 years.

Apparently my criticism of Zionists hit closer to Jay's beliefs than yours do. I am the one who suggested his new title, but he only read about it when lots of other people agreed with me, like Dantech.
Tom

so it's you

of course you right they changed their opinion after 4 years, but it's too late .

lol so you who suggested his new title !!! I am curious if he Jay agree or know !!!

actuatly you and Jay two of my best friends in RF , i am sorry that your are not friends with each other too .

 

[Godobeyer]

We are the first country, who said "ISIS is a terror organization", while all the other countries still was accepting them as just another opposition group in tens of others.

So why Turkey did not hit ISIS or allow to USA to hit ISIS through their bases in Turkey ?

 

[columbus]

actuatly you and Jay two of my best friends in RF , i am sorry that your are not friends with each other too .

I don't have a problem with Jay. I read all his posts. He put me(and lots of other people) on ignore. Jay and I disagree about many things. But he is like NoX, if he doesn't like you he just won't listen to what you say.
You and I don't agree about everything either. So we talk about it.
I have enormous respect for you and your willingness to try to talk to other people. Even when the other person only knows one difficult language like English.
Tom

 

[Godobeyer]

I don't have a problem with Jay. I read all his posts. He put me(and lots of other people) on ignore. Jay and I disagree about many things. But he is like NoX, if he doesn't like you he just won't listen to what you say.
You and I don't agree about everything either. So we talk about it.
I have enormous respect for you and your willingness to try to talk to other people. Even when the other person only knows one difficult language like English.
Tom

I guess Nox put me in ignore ..

I respect all other opinion ,


I try my hard to send my ideas by simple English level .

I am curious how many Westerns here in RF , able to chat with Arabic , as i do with English and sometimes French .

 

[MD]

We are the first country, who said "ISIS is a terror organization", while all the other countries still was accepting them as just another opposition group in tens of others.

Is that you in the picture? If so...

 

[columbus]

I try my hard to send my ideas by simple English level .

I know you do.
I wish more people tried as hard as you do to understand the rest of the Children of God.
Tom

 

[Godobeyer]

I know you do.
I wish more people tried as hard as you do to understand the rest of the Children of God.
Tom

thanks for your kind words ,I am happy that RF gave the chance to to meet many cool Westerns people , (Atheist,Christians,Jews,....) and you once of them.

btw , I am not child of God , i am God obeyer .(God slave) .

 

[Godobeyer]

We are the first country, who said "ISIS is a terror organization", while all the other countries still was accepting them as just another opposition group in tens of others.

you kiding ,right ?

Turkey said ISIS is terror organization first , i though it's was Syria (which said first) ?

you pushed me to creat this thread , you need to defend for your opinion by evidences , not claims , i gave you more evidences before .

 

[Augustus]

Well they had to cross from somewhere into Syria, and for the European ones, where is the easiest place to cross from? Am not sure about the Arab and Mahgrib jihadis, but the Europeans overwhelmingly entered through Turkey.

The jihidis themselves will tell you this, as will every single reason who has looked at the conflict in any detail.

We know they mostly entered through Turkey, but were they allowed? Certainly in the early days of the conflict, before the 'rise' of ISIS, they certainly didn't make much of an effort to stop anyone from crossing, which is not surprising seeing as they are very hostile to Assad. In reality it would be impossible to stop everyone from crossing such a large border, but there have been times where they haven't really tried to make it difficult, either.

 

[leibowde84]

Jay put me on ignore a long time ago because he didn't like my criticism of Zionists.

Tom

I wouldn't worry too much. His comments are always pretty rude anyways. Not missing much.

 

[leibowde84]

It's seems these days my opinion get me more hates and low respect by some Muslims , sometimes the truth hurts , but we need to accept it , not to make up it .

if my country had bad role in something , i will not hesitate to condemn that .

I agree. I'm kind of stumped as to why NoX would not want to speak out against such things, even if it is to present an argument as to why she doesn't think the accusations are true. Silence makes others think that you approve.

 

[Godobeyer]

I agree. I'm kind of stumped as to why NoX would not want to speak out against such things, even if it is to present an argument as to why she doesn't think the accusations are true. Silence makes others think that you approve.

I don't know why she want not .

I think some people had "freedom" of rejecting the other opinion .

I heard today in news , many sites restricted in Turkey (i forget the cause ) , including Facebook , seems Turkey had kind of freedom of restrict the freedom .

 

[Tyho]

I don't think there is any evidence that it was intentionally direguarded. It was probably just a failure on their part and the capturing of terrorists was probably not a priority to the Turks at that time.

I think it's a bit naive to believe that. Turkey has created the ''Free Syrian Army'' with the express purpose of taking down the Assad regime. Which means they have gone to great lenght in their attempt to remove an ennemy from power, while strenghtening the oppositions to weaken Assad.

It would not at all be surprising to learn that they have given free pass to ISIS fighters. Remember when ISIS released the 50 Turkish hostages overnight? That was fishy and we never learned what was actually given in exchange.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

I think it's a bit naive to believe that. Turkey has created the ''Free Syrian Army'' with the express purpose of taking down the Assad regime. Which means they have gone to great lenght in their attempt to remove an ennemy from power, while strenghtening the oppositions to weaken Assad.

It would not at all be surprising to learn that they have given free pass to ISIS fighters. Remember when ISIS released the 50 Turkish hostages overnight? That was fishy and we never learned what was actually given in exchange.

It may be naive as I am not an expert on Turkish political movements and events. However you also bring up an important point that ISIS isn't inherently evil. They aren't the boogyman and the ones that fight on the side of ISIS believe themselves to be doing it in the name of god and for all good reasons. I don't agree with those reasons so I oppose them. However I don't believe all of them to be evil or to be terrible people. Some most definitely are. But in the case of Turkey how they view ISIS, especially in the past prior to their rise to the extent of their current political power, it could have been a different dynamic. And let's not forget that America has, on several occasions, given support to regimes that they later condemn.