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Did you know that Putin asked ca. 5 times to join NATO, but that NATO refused?
- Thread starter stvdv
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I wonder what agreements they were refusing to cooperate with. All NATO members have to meet certain requirements and agree to certain stipulations.
If they refuse, so is their membership. The peace is maintained by all participants abiding by similar agreements and arrangements.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Did you know that Putin asked to join NATO (ca. 5 times)?
I can't speak for NATO, but if Putin were to withdraw troops from Ukraine and promise to respect Ukrainian sovereignty i dont see any reason that Russia shouldn't be allowed to join NATO.
They could always kick him out for bad behaviour if he went back on his promises in the future.
In my opinion.
And did he agree to their demands or no? If no that's why he isn't a member
Gargovic Malkav
Well-Known Member
Which is?
We Never Know
No Slack
Five reasons Russia will never join NATO. In short...
"1. NATO requires that its members have civilian and democratic control over their armed forces. This is a fundamental principal that allows for military integration and inter-operability among members. Although NATO countries have different political systems — some are presidential republics, others are parliamentary — they all have transparent defense budgets and public and legislative oversight over their countries’ military affairs. This includes independent investigations into military failures and abuses, parliamentary control over how funds are allocating — or not allocated — for weapons programs and constitutional checks and balances on a leader’s ability to send troops to fight in foreign military operations
2. Russia needs NATO as an “enemy,” not as an alliance partner. NATO is seen by conservative and nationalist forces that dominate the defense and security establishment as an inherently anti-Russian alliance. All the talk about NATO’s revised strategy and focus on new threats — terrorism, sea piracy, narcotics or cyberattacks — is a sham, we are told. The alliance’s real target remains Russia, just as it was during the Cold War. Even Dmitry Rogozin, Russia’s envoy to NATO, wrote on Twitter in March that NATO’s top brass to this day are developing military strategies and plans aimed against Russia.
3. China. If Russia ever became a NATO member, it would extend the alliance’s territory to China, which has a 4,000-kilometer border with Russia. This would upset the tripolar global security balance between NATO, Russia and China, and it would cause China — which is just as suspicious of enemy conspiracy theories as Russia is — to believe that Russia and NATO are joining forces to “contain,” or even weaken, China. It is clearly not in the interests of Russia or the United States, which both have deep economic ties with China, to heighten tensions or provoke China, even if Beijing’s fears are exaggerated.
4. The Collective Security Treaty Organization. NATO membership would effectively mean the end of the CSTO, which Russia has worked so hard on since its creation in 2002 to compete with NATO for influence in the global security arena. “I believe it [Russia’s membership in NATO] is absurd,” said CSTO chief Nikolai Bordyuzha on Sept. 16. “What is the sense of NATO membership if Russia has created its own security framework with its allies and this system of collective security functions well?”
5. Russia’s global ambitions. Most important, Russian membership in NATO would all but mean the end of Russia’s dream of restoring its former superpower status. By joining NATO, Russia would effectively become “just another large European country” on the same level as Germany, Britain or France — a “sacrilege” for the derzhavniki, or great-power nationalists, who remember when the Soviet Union was much larger and more powerful than these three countries combined."
5 Reasons Why Russia Will Never Join NATO
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stvdv
Veteran Member
Why you don't answer the question?
The question if did I know? Yes, I did.
Why you no answer my question?
Did they join under the pretense.of actually agreeing to things like disarmament and mutual protections of member states?
Russia–NATO relations - Wikipedia.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Thank you. I did not know that Putin wanted to join
1 step at a time. You started this "not answering question".
If you don't answer my question, then you don't take me serious, hence I can't answer your question, because that means I would not take myself serious
Who says this, Russian TV? You offered no reputable source.
If Russia was such a good and cooperative partner to the rest of Europe they wouldn't have invaded a sovereign nation.
And after Putin resigns and surrenders to the Hague, and Russia agrees to pay for the damage they caused to Ukraine, and pays families of dead Ukrainians.
Considering current events this could not be more irrelevant.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Totally irrelevant
stvdv
Veteran Member
I agree. Would be even a great reason to have Russia join NATO. Ukrainian people will be happy that NATO found a way to solve this horrible war
And Ukraine could join as well
Yes, I agree
If you think rebutting with my own question is t taking you seriously, I'll apologize.
That wasn't my intent.
Only wanted to understand how much of the situation you were aware of.
I notice that you left out Putin's conditions for joining.
Why present the issue with limited info?
Perhaps your goal is pro-Putin & anti-USA, eh.
As far as i am aware, Russia has only once asked to join NATO, back in 1954 when it was getting concerned if Germany would ever be rearmed. Putin has not asked to join NATO but early in his presidency he did discuss the idea but did not want to go the the application process
stvdv
Veteran Member
Thank you, I appreciate that
I know you are not that kind of person (at least that is the impression I got from your replies already)
I don't know much of the situation. But I do know that NATO members should not start war with other NATO members. So, would it not be a great solution if they allow Russia to join?
Of course those who sell guns and stuff won't be charmed, but I would love to live in a world with less nukes threat
I think Putin won't let Russia nuke Holland though, but it would be better if all NATO countries are safe
stvdv
Veteran Member
I just asked a simple question
AND you read too much into it