Did you know that Putin asked ca. 5 times to join NATO, but that NATO refused?

[stvdv]

And after Putin resigns and surrenders to the Hague,

In a way Putin already surrendered a bit to the Hague

 

[exchemist]

Did you know that Putin asked ca. 5 times to join NATO, but that NATO refused?

This makes me wonder...their (USA, NATO) goal is not peace, but...their goal is obvious to me

What evidence do you have for this?

All I can find about it is this article, according to which Putin was not willing to apply to join in the usual way, but demanded special treatment - which, quite rightly, in view of Russia's hostile past, he was not given. Ex-Nato head says Putin wanted to join alliance early on in his rule

 

[Revoltingest]

I just asked a simple question
AND you read too much into it

Simple questions that hide relevant complexity
inspire questioning what's hidden & why.

 

[Kooky]

Did you know that Putin asked ca. 5 times to join NATO, but that NATO refused?

Did you know that during WW2, Hitler asked the Allies several times for peace, but they refused?

What do you think that signifies concerning the goals of Hitler and the Allies in WW2?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Did you know that Putin asked ca. 5 times to join NATO, but that NATO refused?

This makes me wonder...their (USA, NATO) goal is not peace, but...their goal is obvious to me

It could be construed that way. I think theres more to it however. Like why the reasons he was being refused.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Did you know that Putin asked ca. 5 times to join NATO, but that NATO refused?

This makes me wonder...their (USA, NATO) goal is not peace, but...their goal is obvious to me

I am presuming by "ca." you mean "around" or "about" (i.e. circa)?

In any case, NATO has some rules about entry into the club (as does every club). These are:

• New members must uphold democracy, including tolerating diversity.
• New members must be making progress toward a market economy.
• Their military forces must be under firm civilian control.
• They must be good neighbors and respect sovereignty outside their borders.
• They must be working toward compatibility with NATO forces.

Do you think that Russia meets all of these requirements (I think they meet precisely none of them)? And if they don't, why should NATO waive the rules and allow them to join?

 

[F1fan]

In a way Putin already surrendered a bit to the Hague

Toenail clippings? It's a start.

 

[stvdv]

I wonder what agreements they were refusing to cooperate with. All NATO members have to meet certain requirements and agree to certain stipulations.

I wonder also. But the fact remains that Putin was willing to join. This could have changed history dramatically

If they refuse, so is their membership. The peace is maintained by all participants abiding by similar agreements and arrangements.

IF Putin had been allowed to join THEN he would have been part of us, meaning "being respected by us" and the West would not have been mocking and demonizing Putin (Russia) for decades, which impacts a person tremendously (RF knows, that's why we are not allowed to do it here). When parents demonize their kids, the kids turn out to become demons after some time. We are responsible for our words, and most people don't realize the impact of their words

So, I think there is much more to this than "to allow or not to allow"

 

[stvdv]

I notice that you left out Putin's conditions for joining.
Why present the issue with limited info?

This was all info you needed

Because I never heard of Putin wanting to join NATO, I was curious if others heard about it before. That was all

And seeing people having problems answering even this simple question I think you get it why I kept it simple

 

[stvdv]

Perhaps your goal is pro-Putin & anti-USA, eh.

MH17...got "my" brothers and sisters killed. Should give you a clue how much I love Putin...and all the innocent Ukrainians

Putin is no Saint, nor did the USA acted always saintly (Dutches created heaps of 'bad' karma too)

 

[RestlessSoul]

“On the 12th of June 1812, the forces of Western Europe crossed the borders of Russia, and war began - that is, an event took place contrary to reason and to the whole of human nature... Millions of men, renouncing their human feelings and their reason, had to go from west to east and kill their own kind, just as, several centuries earlier [and now later] hordes of men had gone from east to west, killing their own kind…
What produced this extraordinary event? What were it’s causes?…No one thing is the cause. All this is only the coincidence of conditions under which every organic, elemental event of life is accomplished…he who says that Napoleon went to Moscow because he wanted to, and perished because Alexander wanted him to, will be both right and wrong…
[the protagonists] every action, which to them seemed willed by themselves, in the historical sense is not willed, but happens in connection with the whole course of history and has been destined from before all ages.”

Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace

 

[stvdv]

Who says this, Russian TV? You offered no reputable source.

Thanks

I guess this to mean that you didn't know about Putin's requests either. That's all I was curious about

 

[sayak83]

Did you know that Putin asked ca. 5 times to join NATO, but that NATO refused?

This makes me wonder...their (USA, NATO) goal is not peace, but...their goal is obvious to me

Source of this please?
First we need to see if it's actually a true claim or not before I can participate in poll.
By the way, my opinion is that no nondemocratic country should join NATO and Turkey should be kicked out because of this.
Anyway back to the source question?

 

[stvdv]

Source of this please?
First we need to see if it's actually a true claim or not before I can participate in poll.
By the way, my opinion is that no nondemocratic country should join NATO and Turkey should be kicked out because of this.
Anyway back to the source question?

I just asked a simple yes/no question

My guess is that you never heard about Putin asking 5 times

I never heard of it before either. Yesterday I saw it being mentioned in a Dutch program, but that's in Dutch, so I am not allowed to share the link on RF. I was just curious if others had heard about this, hence the question

 

[stvdv]

Perhaps your goal is... anti-USA, eh.

No, not really. I am not anti-USA. Closest would be "I am anti-rich elite", who play war games making normal people suffer. And those we have in Holland too, though less, being a smaller country

 

[Mock Turtle]

I knew that Putin had broached the subject of joining NATO (from various news sources), and possibly more than once, but I don't know how genuine he was (given he's a lying *******), and perhaps he was just looking for an excuse to promote his agenda (to his own mob) - 'look, these Western fascists hate Russia so why shouldn't we do everything in our power to subvert them, and get what we want' (whatever that is).

 

[Subduction Zone]

Did you know that Putin asked ca. 5 times to join NATO, but that NATO refused?

This makes me wonder...their (USA, NATO) goal is not peace, but...their goal is obvious to me

Citation needed. It looks like Putin was interested in joining NATO, but he never applied:

.Ex-Nato head says Putin wanted to join alliance early on in his rule

 

[Subduction Zone]

This was all info you needed

Because I never heard of Putin wanting to join NATO, I was curious if others heard about it before. That was all

And seeing people having problems answering even this simple question I think you get it why I kept it simple

He wanted NATO to bend the rules for him. He did not really want to join. He never applied and since Russia is not exactly democratic he would probably not have been accepted.

 

[exchemist]

Citation needed. It looks like Putin was interested in joining NATO, but he never applied:

.Ex-Nato head says Putin wanted to join alliance early on in his rule

Snap! (see post 22)

 

[stvdv]

I am presuming by "ca." you mean "around" or "about" (i.e. circa)?

Thanks

That's how we use it in Dutch language

I checked now, after reading your reply, and read that circa (ca.) is used in English with dates, so my use of "ca." was incorrect. Thanks, I'll remember now that you pointed it out to me