I agree. It is an amazing tool of discovery, but its still lacking in something. something we haven't quite hit on. Religion perhaps? im not sure...
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
Dimensions of Reality
- Thread starter zenzero
- Start date
I agree. It is an amazing tool of discovery, but its still lacking in something. something we haven't quite hit on. Religion perhaps? im not sure...
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend skydivephil,
Kindly read the whole thread, responses to understand that it is a limitation of science that it has not been able to create any suitable measuring instruments to see / measure /quantify/etc of these dimensions of reality.
The inner thrill that you get when diving, do you experince it or not? if so, can that *THRILL* be measured. Can it be said that those *thrills* are not a part of your own reality?? One may say they are subjective. Exactly even subjective reality is a reality where the human being in the perceiver. He perceives both subjective and objective reality.
One can be reasoned with the mind other cannot as it opens only when the mind shuts like when you are diving you have no other thoughts except the thrill of the moment and so you go up the sky every given opportunity.
UNDERSTAND that!
Love & rgds
Kindly read the whole thread, responses to understand that it is a limitation of science that it has not been able to create any suitable measuring instruments to see / measure /quantify/etc of these dimensions of reality.
The inner thrill that you get when diving, do you experince it or not? if so, can that *THRILL* be measured. Can it be said that those *thrills* are not a part of your own reality?? One may say they are subjective. Exactly even subjective reality is a reality where the human being in the perceiver. He perceives both subjective and objective reality.
One can be reasoned with the mind other cannot as it opens only when the mind shuts like when you are diving you have no other thoughts except the thrill of the moment and so you go up the sky every given opportunity.
UNDERSTAND that!
Love & rgds
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend skydivephil,
Yes, if you say *this is the wrong way* surely there is the *right way* too.
Contradictions? are deferring points of view which is depending on the location of the individual in the time/space zone. when they merge in time and space the contradictions disappear.
Love & rgds
Yes, if you say *this is the wrong way* surely there is the *right way* too.
Contradictions? are deferring points of view which is depending on the location of the individual in the time/space zone. when they merge in time and space the contradictions disappear.
Love & rgds
Metalic Wings
Active Member
Well... I was about to just jump right in, my eye happened to catch the phrase:
Which scared me into reading the whole thread.
Now that I feel sufficiently acquainted with the topic, I'd like to introduce a new line of thought (and just hope that I won't be booed off of the stage)
Who says we have to be aware of alternate dimensions? Who says they have to be different levels of our experience? I once read a book (part of a trilogy) named A Crack in the Line. The whole basis of the (obviously fictional) book is that every time there is a fifty-fifty chance, two dimensions are brought into being and take the place of the old one so that the universe remains in balance.
This idea has always interested me immensely. Does anyone else have any thoughts?
Which scared me into reading the whole thread.
Now that I feel sufficiently acquainted with the topic, I'd like to introduce a new line of thought (and just hope that I won't be booed off of the stage)
Who says we have to be aware of alternate dimensions? Who says they have to be different levels of our experience? I once read a book (part of a trilogy) named A Crack in the Line. The whole basis of the (obviously fictional) book is that every time there is a fifty-fifty chance, two dimensions are brought into being and take the place of the old one so that the universe remains in balance.
This idea has always interested me immensely. Does anyone else have any thoughts?
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friends,
The thread is not of believing or not believing it is only about CONSCIOUSNESS.
Belief is only connected with the mind and it only believes which the mind can comprehend by *thinking*.
Here is it the other possibility of *stilling the mind* possible, not possible will again be something one would be leaving things to be decided by those *thoughts* already in stored in memory.
Here it is a question of ACTION. The action such to create that gap when the mind stills and then the universal consciousness finds space to enter the individual or merge with the individual consciousness. Thereafter one becomes a part of a conscious journey.
No proofs available.
Those who understands are already on their way to realization of that understanding by living what has been understood. Those who have not even reached an understanding, well atleast be conscious by reading this, use it or throw it are both your choices but whatever you do, do so consciously or with full awareness.
Love & rgds
The thread is not of believing or not believing it is only about CONSCIOUSNESS.
Belief is only connected with the mind and it only believes which the mind can comprehend by *thinking*.
Here is it the other possibility of *stilling the mind* possible, not possible will again be something one would be leaving things to be decided by those *thoughts* already in stored in memory.
Here it is a question of ACTION. The action such to create that gap when the mind stills and then the universal consciousness finds space to enter the individual or merge with the individual consciousness. Thereafter one becomes a part of a conscious journey.
No proofs available.
Those who understands are already on their way to realization of that understanding by living what has been understood. Those who have not even reached an understanding, well atleast be conscious by reading this, use it or throw it are both your choices but whatever you do, do so consciously or with full awareness.
Love & rgds
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend Mettalic Wings,
Fictions appear fictions because they are not a part of objective reality and that is the point we are discussing here on these pages. Are fiction real? Yes they are also real because it has come to someone's thoughts from somewhere, where is thats somewhere. They are all energies waiting in space to take birth as seeds to develop into trees.
Yes, huamns have no tools to measure this subjective reality but we as humans should only be more conscious /aware that possibilities outside objective reality is there.
What is subjective today may be objective tomorrow.
All of Jules Verne's book, where fiction yesterday today humans have crossed those stages many times over and looking beyond.
Love & rgds
Sorry and apologies, if such a message has ever gone even unintentionally as the very purpose of it is lost.
Fictions appear fictions because they are not a part of objective reality and that is the point we are discussing here on these pages. Are fiction real? Yes they are also real because it has come to someone's thoughts from somewhere, where is thats somewhere. They are all energies waiting in space to take birth as seeds to develop into trees.
Yes, huamns have no tools to measure this subjective reality but we as humans should only be more conscious /aware that possibilities outside objective reality is there.
What is subjective today may be objective tomorrow.
All of Jules Verne's book, where fiction yesterday today humans have crossed those stages many times over and looking beyond.
Love & rgds
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
My guess is that the mental sciences will undergo a revolution of sorts spurred on by discoveries in the next few decades. The only reason that some think of this facet of the psyche as being mystical is simply because of their own inexperience that has never extended appreciably beyond the confines of their highly limited belief structures about reality and what "reality" entails. Explanations of reality are fairly routine when one builds a strong enough box to keep them in.
Yes, ZenZero, this is always true but I think what is needed is for some brilliant neurologists to consider working on their own beliefs from a subjective standpoint. Beliefs by their very nature are not something that lend themselves to empirical examination, though one can track their results easily enough. My thinking is that if trained scientists explored possibilities in consciousness directly, documenting every step in line with the scientific method we could eventually find distinct patterns that can be duplicated and thereby given to subjective verification.
Though it is anathema to the scientific method these are areas where Dr. Jekyll must necessarily explore the possibility of Mr. Hyde. The alternative is that we content ourselves with the "outside looking in", "hide and seek" techniques and keep our fingers crossed.
This is the part that I refuse to buy into. I believe it is only because we have accepted that we can never describe these things that constantly forces the possibility of suitable explanations away from ourselves much like an ever receding shadow. In effect we do not believe detailed explanations can be made and so we are unable to form any kind of explanations. As usual, reality simply conforms to our perceptions and the cycle continues.
Last edited:
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend YmirGF,
Smply put each form is just a vehicle of consciousness which keeps expanding itself and even if connected indirectly like taking a dive gets a taste of that *ananda* and like bees searching for nectaer keeps going back even unconsciously.
For your information had just brought awareness to friend stephenw about his *surfing meditation* and today after few communications on the subject he has started to be consciously tasting the nectar. Not any effort on my part it is only consciousness itself that is doing anything by expanding itself.
Here is a *diving meditator* except that what it is is still in the dark are which once enlightened in its own time, consciousness will expand further.
Love & rgds
Smply put each form is just a vehicle of consciousness which keeps expanding itself and even if connected indirectly like taking a dive gets a taste of that *ananda* and like bees searching for nectaer keeps going back even unconsciously.
For your information had just brought awareness to friend stephenw about his *surfing meditation* and today after few communications on the subject he has started to be consciously tasting the nectar. Not any effort on my part it is only consciousness itself that is doing anything by expanding itself.
Here is a *diving meditator* except that what it is is still in the dark are which once enlightened in its own time, consciousness will expand further.
Love & rgds
Fiction? This sounds pretty much like ordinary Manyworlds physics.
[Pssst... the cat's both dead and alive.]
Last edited by a moderator:
blackout
Violet.
I do self healing on a weekly, if not daily basis.
I have body-injury issues that affect my ability to do things.
The deep relaxation and internal energy movement I do
is the difference between my functioning physically each week/day or not.
I have been open to the (free) energy help of others before,
but honestly have not recieved any notable physical benefit/improvement from the encounters.
Still, I am always open.
When your career and livelyhood depends on decreased pain, ability to move,
and open sinuses... why not?
I know that my own meditation and energy work helps me manage and decrease pain and ailment.
This is not something I imagine, in the same way that you do not imagine
your headache has gone away after taking an aspirin.
Or your sinuses have cleared after taking a pseudophed.
When pain or blockage/congestion clears, moves, or ceases, you know.
With all this said,
two weeks ago I combined my own healing practice
with whatever it was Katia had to offer me.
I had no expectations, but was open, just as I have been every time before.
But this time with Katia... I hit a MAJOR energy high...
(which lasted 3 or 4 days)
like I haven't experienced since the summer of my heightened reality & paradigm shift.
I was HUMMING. A wonderful and STRONG flow of energy... that felt SO good!
We focused on the area of my neck and shoulder...
and there was a pop... and the pain lessened and moved down.
Now the reason I know I have not "imagined" that the pain moved down
(as well as lessening) is because of my daily experience as a driver (of a car).
I have been unable to turn my neck fully to the left without MAJOR *** PAIN
to look for traffic when driving since I injured myself a year and a half ago.
This is something that has driven me crazy every day for all that time.
I have had to turn my whole torso to look left.. and my seatbelt doesn't give because it's broken,
so always pain to look left, and a degree of fear sometimes not being SURE I've seen far enough behind.
So now, after my "session" with Katia, I can now turn my head fully left to look for traffic.
No pain.
If I twist my head down and around, there is still pain, but the pain is lesser and lower,
and is not affecting my ability to function daily, as it was before.
This is not something I have "imagined".
Just thought I'd share, for whatever it is or isn't worth to you.
I have body-injury issues that affect my ability to do things.
The deep relaxation and internal energy movement I do
is the difference between my functioning physically each week/day or not.
I have been open to the (free) energy help of others before,
but honestly have not recieved any notable physical benefit/improvement from the encounters.
Still, I am always open.
When your career and livelyhood depends on decreased pain, ability to move,
and open sinuses... why not?
I know that my own meditation and energy work helps me manage and decrease pain and ailment.
This is not something I imagine, in the same way that you do not imagine
your headache has gone away after taking an aspirin.
Or your sinuses have cleared after taking a pseudophed.
When pain or blockage/congestion clears, moves, or ceases, you know.
With all this said,
two weeks ago I combined my own healing practice
with whatever it was Katia had to offer me.
I had no expectations, but was open, just as I have been every time before.
But this time with Katia... I hit a MAJOR energy high...
(which lasted 3 or 4 days)
like I haven't experienced since the summer of my heightened reality & paradigm shift.
I was HUMMING. A wonderful and STRONG flow of energy... that felt SO good!
We focused on the area of my neck and shoulder...
and there was a pop... and the pain lessened and moved down.
Now the reason I know I have not "imagined" that the pain moved down
(as well as lessening) is because of my daily experience as a driver (of a car).
I have been unable to turn my neck fully to the left without MAJOR *** PAIN
to look for traffic when driving since I injured myself a year and a half ago.
This is something that has driven me crazy every day for all that time.
I have had to turn my whole torso to look left.. and my seatbelt doesn't give because it's broken,
so always pain to look left, and a degree of fear sometimes not being SURE I've seen far enough behind.
So now, after my "session" with Katia, I can now turn my head fully left to look for traffic.
No pain.
If I twist my head down and around, there is still pain, but the pain is lesser and lower,
and is not affecting my ability to function daily, as it was before.
This is not something I have "imagined".
Just thought I'd share, for whatever it is or isn't worth to you.
Last edited:
skydivephil
Active Member
Science has learnt so much by carefully collecting evidence and continually testing its theories. Religion doesnt do that so i see no reason why it can aid our knowledge of th universe.
skydivephil
Active Member
Thrills exist in the mind , if your claiming chakras only exist in your mind, I have no probelm with that . Claim they have an external reality then im going to ask you for your evidence. Thrills do have physioloigcal reposnes that we can measure. so we do have plenty of evidence of them, We can measure heart rate and adrenaline, we could probably do an MRI for a thrills although not for skydiving. They also have excellent biological plausibility, evolution is likely to mould an organism to have elevated responses when scared. None of the same can be said for chakras, you cant measure or detect them and they have no prior plausibility. If you accept all subjective experience then you must conclude that all fatasies by all deranged people as true.
zenzero
Its only a Label
FRiend skydivephil,
None here claims that subject reality is quantifiable. It is not the fault of reality, it is the fault or limitations of science as of now.
None is expecting anyone to believe in anything more than they wish to, or more they can understand/ digest.
We are all free as individual beings But always remain part of existence.
Love & rgds
None here claims that subject reality is quantifiable. It is not the fault of reality, it is the fault or limitations of science as of now.
None is expecting anyone to believe in anything more than they wish to, or more they can understand/ digest.
We are all free as individual beings But always remain part of existence.
Love & rgds
skydivephil
Active Member
But if peole are claiming they can heel (and they are ) based on something that may not exist outside of their mind then we have a serious situation.
zenzero
Its only a Label
Friend skydivephil,
Well friend it is stated that when something is beyond someone's comprehension of matters which are real in the subject manner they should not feel that such possibilities do not exists because they are not proved.
Science can only prove what laws are already there in existence and what was fiction yesterday today they are not only real but many times over, similarly human consciousness too are crossing boundaries every moment which tomorrow will be reality with proofs. Till the understand of such delicate matters come to their own consciousness they should leave it aside for the time being as ????
Love & rgds
Well friend it is stated that when something is beyond someone's comprehension of matters which are real in the subject manner they should not feel that such possibilities do not exists because they are not proved.
Science can only prove what laws are already there in existence and what was fiction yesterday today they are not only real but many times over, similarly human consciousness too are crossing boundaries every moment which tomorrow will be reality with proofs. Till the understand of such delicate matters come to their own consciousness they should leave it aside for the time being as ????
Love & rgds
blackout
Violet.
Just because people weren't aware there were germs...
or sound waves... didn't mean there weren't.
Men still got sick and still heard sound.
Just because men didn't understand what would make a "flying machine" work,
didn't mean it wasn't possible.
Just because man didn't know what was in the air....
didn't mean he didn't breathe it.
Just because man didn't know that water was H2O didn't mean he didn't drink it.
Just because man did not have a way to explain gravity
did not mean he went flying off into space.
or sound waves... didn't mean there weren't.
Men still got sick and still heard sound.
Just because men didn't understand what would make a "flying machine" work,
didn't mean it wasn't possible.
Just because man didn't know what was in the air....
didn't mean he didn't breathe it.
Just because man didn't know that water was H2O didn't mean he didn't drink it.
Just because man did not have a way to explain gravity
did not mean he went flying off into space.
Last edited:
skydivephil
Active Member
I dont htink you are addressing my point. People shouldnt go out saying they can heal based upon something for which there is no evidence. Im open to the possibility of anything, proven or unproven. But like fairies or Santa Claus Ill wait for the evidence before giving any weight to them.
blackout
Violet.
How the hell do you ever think you're going to evidence something if you don't experiment with it?
If everybody just "sat around waiting for evidence",
everybody would all just sit around waiting.
(and we'd all be sitting in the dark with no electric light bulb to boot)
I'm glad Edison didn't have your attitude/mindset.
Last edited: