Dinosaurs and man.

[sniper762]

google it and see. google "what date was adam created". this debate is about when was adam created and did man exist before then. between theology and science. if you cant acknowledge the theological (biblical) side, then you cant possibly compare it with science.

 

[DeitySlayer]

google it and see. google "what date was adam created". this debate is about when was adam created and did man exist before then. between theology and science. if you cant acknowledge the theological (biblical) side, then you cant possibly compare it with science.

No, it's a debate between competing theologies. Science has already established that man was around about 200,000 years ago from the present day, perhaps a little further, should new paleoanthropological evidence come to light.

I acknowledge the biblical side, compare it to science, and realize it is hopelessly outclassed in terms of evidence.

 

[tumbleweed41]

yes i do tumbleweed. one would have to read the bible, record the genealogy, then research the dates that history records them. its not that ha rd to do. ive done it.

example: noah was the 10th generation from adam. google noah and the date he lived.

Ah yes, Noah. Who, according to your research, lived 3000 years before his name was ever recorded in writing.

(Or do you hold to the thoroughly debunked notion that Moses wrote the Torah?)

 

[sniper762]

according to your research, when did he live? if you dont believe that he or any of the biblical characters werereal, then there is no debate

 

[tumbleweed41]

according to your research, when did he live? if you dont believe that he or any of the biblical characters werereal, then there is no debate

As there is no reliable historical record, the evidence of their existence is in doubt, and the genealogical record even more so.

The point being, one cannot expect the Bible to be accurate on genealogy that occurred 3500 years before the Torah was written down. So to therefore insist that the genealogy points to Adam existing 6000 years ago is to ignore how anyone could come up with 3500 years worth of genealogy in a single genetic line without any written records.

 

[sniper762]

i can see that you dont accept the biblical account of adam to be believed, therefore i cannot debate its comparison to scientific evolution wwith you.

 

[tumbleweed41]

i can see that you dont accept the biblical account of adam to be believed, therefore i cannot debate its comparison to scientific evolution wwith you.

Really? Are you actually saying that in order to discuss or debate the historical acuracy of the Bible in comparison to actual biological evolution I must accept your interpretation of the Biblical account?

 

[sniper762]

no, not accept it to be acurate, but concider it as part of the controversial debate.

how do you compare the two?

 

[tumbleweed41]

no, not accept it to be acurate, but concider it as part of the controversial debate.

how do you compare the two?

One was written by priests and scribes in the mid first millennium BCE.

The other is the result of constantly updated research based on the scientific method.

 

[Eliot Wild]

I don't have evidence the Shire was Northwest of Mordor either, and nobody cares except Lord of the Rings fanatics.

In all actuality, the Shire sits approximately 17,575 leagues Northwest of Mordor, Land of Shadow, wasted plains from whence rises Barad-dur, Tower of Adamant, 'wall upon wall, battlement upon battlement, black, immensely strong, mountain of iron, gate of steel, Fortress of Sauron'.

The Shire, in which sits Hobbiton, home of Bilbo and Frodo Baggins, is nestled quaintly within the rolling hills of central Eriador, due East of Lindon and the Gray Havens, due West of Bree and the more distant Misty Mountains. The Shire rests upon fertile farm fields and quiet fruit groves Northeast of the Blue Mountains which themselves rise just south of the Bay of Lune. In more ancient times--

Oh, wait a second, I see now that you guys didn't really care about the Shire, did you? Uhhhh, not that I'm a Tolkien geek or anything . . . but if you do need more info on Middle Earth, I'll see if I can't scrounge it up for ya.

 

[sniper762]

then why not answer? what date did adam exist? YOUR BELIEF

 

[tumbleweed41]

then why not answer? what date did adam exist? YOUR BELIEF

Now why would I make a wild guess about a man who, by historical standards, has little to support his existence in the first place.

And, as I stated before...

The point being, one cannot expect the Bible to be accurate on genealogy that occurred 3500 years before the Torah was written down. So to therefore insist that the genealogy points to Adam existing 6000 years ago is to ignore how anyone could come up with 3500 years worth of genealogy in a single genetic line without any written records.

 

[Alceste]

In all actuality, the Shire sits approximately 17,575 leagues Northwest of Mordor, Land of Shadow, wasted plains from whence rises Barad-dur, Tower of Adamant, 'wall upon wall, battlement upon battlement, black, immensely strong, mountain of iron, gate of steel, Fortress of Sauron'.

The Shire, in which sits Hobbiton, home of Bilbo and Frodo Baggins, is nestled quaintly within the rolling hills of central Eriador, due East of Lindon and the Gray Havens, due West of Bree and the more distant Misty Mountains. The Shire rests upon fertile farm fields and quiet fruit groves Northeast of the Blue Mountains which themselves rise just south of the Bay of Lune. In more ancient times--

Oh, wait a second, I see now that you guys didn't really care about the Shire, did you? Uhhhh, not that I'm a Tolkien geek or anything . . . but if you do need more info on Middle Earth, I'll see if I can't scrounge it up for ya.

Hang on a minute, are you saying the Shire really is Northwest of Mordor? Seriously? I was totally guessing. Or at least that's what I thought - maybe I have better reading retention than I thought.

 

[sniper762]

then i repeat, if you have no idea of the date or even belief of his existense, then there is no debate about him verses prehistoric man.

 

[tumbleweed41]

then i repeat, if you have no idea of the date or even belief of his existense, then there is no debate about him verses prehistoric man.

OK, unless I make wild speculations based on inaccurate historical information then their is no debate....

Have it your way.

 

[Alceste]

then why not answer? what date did adam exist? YOUR BELIEF

I don't have a belief about Adam. He's a storybook character. He serves his metaphorical purpose as well as any storybook character. Nobody has a belief about when Frodo Baggins took the ring to Mordor either. It's a completely silly thing to have a belief about.

 

[Eliot Wild]

Nobody has a belief about when Frodo Baggins took the ring to Mordor either. It's a completely silly thing to have a belief about.

Ohhhh, now you're just trying to tempt me, aren't you? Okay, here goes:

Everybody knows that Frodo took the ring to Mordor in the Third Age of Middle Earth, more specifically it would have been the year 3019 during the rein of the Steward of Gondor who ruled all of Eriador in the absence of the true King. There is some speculation as to the exact date, but more than likely it would have been on or about February 28 when Frodo and Sam actually made it across the Anduin river and into the Emyn Muil, the marshlands rimming the northern and western edges of the Land of Mordor. So, by my reckoning, that puts the actual passage of the ring through the secret passes of Shelob's lair sometime in early to mid March of the year 3019. It was a few days after this that Frodo was actually captured by the Orcs at Cirith Ungol, but Sam had taken the ring at that point to protect it--

Again, you guys didn't really care, did you?

 

[SnowyWhiteTiger]

Ohhhh, now you're just trying to tempt me, aren't you? Okay, here goes:

Everybody knows that Frodo took the ring to Mordor in the Third Age of Middle Earth, more specifically it would have been the year 3019 during the rein of the Steward of Gondor who ruled all of Eriador in the absence of the true King. There is some speculation as to the exact date, but more than likely it would have been on or about February 28 when Frodo and Sam actually made it across the Anduin river and into the Emyn Muil, the marshlands rimming the northern and western edges of the Land of Mordor. So, by my reckoning, that puts the actual passage of the ring through the secret passes of Shelob's lair sometime in early to mid March of the year 3019. It was a few days after this that Frodo was actually captured by the Orcs at Cirith Ungol, but Sam had taken the ring at that point to protect it--

Again, you guys didn't really care, did you?

Well without the element of God helping Frodo to get into Mordor it is no real story.

He was proud to go into Mordor without praying to his Holy Father for guidance.

And there is witchcraft and they do not have free time on Sunday.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I am scared to think about it, but it could have been this way.


[youtube]7K4DxwqJ7Ds[/youtube]
YouTube - Jesus vs the Dinosaurs

Even though this rather seems to be God of the OT than Jesus.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA that was awesome.

I havent had such a good giggle since the atheist flow chart thread.

-Q

 

[Eliot Wild]

Well without the element of God helping Frodo to get into Mordor it is no real story.

He was proud to go into Mordor without praying to his Holy Father for guidance.

And there is witchcraft and they do not have free time on Sunday.

LOL . . . Okay, I'll stop being silly. I actually had to look up that last part about Frodo crossing into Mordor on some LOTR page online. I am a Tolkien geek, for truth, but not even I could have come up with that obscure info off the top of my head.

Funny thing is, I actually read Tolkien as religiously as some folks read the Bible. And SnowyWhiteTiger is right, or at least I agree, I find more reason to admire Tolkien's characters than many of the supposed 'heroes' in the Bible.