Dinosaurs and Religion

[Riverwolf]

It really depends on which chapter you believe more.

According to Genesis 1, humans were created on the same day as the animals, but the animals were created first.

But in Genesis 2, we have God creating human (Adam) first, then the animals. And Eve was created after the first two.

Oops!

River Wolf already answer this question. :sorry1:

It's okay. ^_^

 

[sandy whitelinger]

I think I may have asked this before somewhere, but cant seem to find a thread and to be honest, I am very lazy!!!

Do you think the fact that Dinosaurs existed prove that God doesn't?
Does Dinosaurs fit in with the religions (different ones)?
Does Dinosaurs means that Adam and Eve was not real? or was it that this was just a story?

Basically if I said to you dinosaurs, what would your religion teach you about them, how would they fit in with the belief of God as obviously they walked the earth before humans? Are they mentioned in the holy books of your religion?

There is the suggestion that both behemoth and leviathian, mentioned in the Old Testament book of Job refer to dinosaurs.

 

[Riverwolf]

There is the suggestion that both behemoth and leviathian, mentioned in the Old Testament book of Job refer to dinosaurs.

Problem with that is that many dinosaurs were actually not much bigger if not smaller than humans.

 

[Valjean]

It wasn't the meteorite/comet did them in. They wiped themselves out in the thirty millenia war following the sauropod reformation.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Problem with that is that many dinosaurs were actually not much bigger if not smaller than humans.

Not behemoth or leviathan

 

[Father Heathen]

It really depends on which chapter you believe more.

According to Genesis 1, humans were created on the same day as the animals, but the animals were created first.

But in Genesis 2, we have God creating human (Adam) first, then the animals. And Eve was created after the first two.

Oops!

River Wolf already answer this question. :sorry1:

Were the male animals made before the female animals, who presumably had to also be made from the male animals' rib? Couldn't god have simply made everything at once in a single instant? Silly bible

 

[Riverwolf]

Were the male animals made before the female animals, who presumably had to also be made from the male animals' rib? Couldn't god have simply made everything at once in a single instant? Silly bible

Well, in chapter one, it seems to be a simultaneous creation.

And yeah, God could have done it all at once, but where's the fun in that? ^_^

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

Uh... no offense, but what does that have to do with dinosaurs?

the verse indicate that there were a creation and life before Adam and Eve.

scientists estimated the interval of time which humans had spent on earth about 10000 years, and before that time there were a kind of life on this planet [including dinosaurs]

the verse telling explicitly that there were a life and survival creatures before Adam and Eve.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

I found the original thread for those interested! http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...0-dinosaurs-adam-eve-evolution-beginning.html

Decided to actually look through some of my old topics!

 

[Riverwolf]

the verse indicate that there were a creation and life before Adam and Eve.

scientists estimated the interval of time which humans had spent on earth about 10000 years, and before that time there were a kind of life on this planet [including dinosaurs]

the verse telling explicitly that there were a life and survival creatures before Adam and Eve.

Uh... no it doesn't.

From dictionary.com:

vice·ge·rent

/vaɪsˈdʒɪər

ənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[vahys-jeer-uh

nt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun 1.an officer appointed as deputy by and to a sovereign or supreme chief. 2.a deputy in general. –adjective 3.exercising delegated powers. 4.characterized by delegation of powers.
[Origin: 1530–40; < NL vicegerent- (s. of vicegeréns managing instead of), equiv. to L vice (see vice3) + gerent- (s. of geréns, prp. of gerere to carry on, conduct); see -ent

]

This verse, if anything, tells that there was some kind of other leader on earth before humans, equal if not just beneath. (and I believe all life to be equal, regardless of intellect, so to me, even bacteria are equal to us)

Besides, what are the other verses in that section? What's the context?

 

[AK4]

I think I may have asked this before somewhere, but cant seem to find a thread and to be honest, I am very lazy!!!

Do you think the fact that Dinosaurs existed prove that God doesn't?
Does Dinosaurs fit in with the religions (different ones)?
Does Dinosaurs means that Adam and Eve was not real? or was it that this was just a story?

Basically if I said to you dinosaurs, what would your religion teach you about them, how would they fit in with the belief of God as obviously they walked the earth before humans? Are they mentioned in the holy books of your religion?

I think you read the bible so here are some clues to help you with God creating dinosaurs before man. All definitions from strongs concordance

Gen 1:21 And GodH430 createdH1254 (H853) greatH1419 whales,H8577

H8577
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tanni&#770;yn tanni&#770;ym
tan-neen', tan-neem'
(The second form used in Eze_29:3); intensive from the same as H8565; a marine or land monster, that is, sea serpent or jackal: - dragon, sea-monster, serpent, whale.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]tan-neen' [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]Noun Masculine [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica] Definition[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]

1. dragon, serpent, sea monster
   1. dragon or dinosaur
   2. sea or river monster
   3. serpent, venomous snake

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Notice the word great there also. This same word tan-neem is used in Exodus for the snake/reptile that Moses' used to swallow up pharaohs snakes--So now the whales in Genesis is not properly translated. A whale does not fit all the other things in the definition.

With that out of the way and heres the key--- In Gen 1 these are not literal 24hr days--the word day can mean---
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica][/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica] Definition[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]

1. day, time, year
   1. day (as opposed to night)
   2. day (24 hour period)
      1. as defined by evening and morning in Genesis 1
      2. as a division of time 1b
   3. a working day, a day's journey
   4. days, lifetime (pl.)
   5. time, period (general)
   6. year
   7. temporal references
      1. today
      2. yesterday
      3. tomorrow

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and evening (chaos)and morning (order) have higher meanings. (To keep this post short i will just cut to the chase). Now if you read Gen 1 backwards (verse wise) you will notice that the only time something happened is when it says--AND GOD SAID.... now when you come to Gen 1:1-2 there is no "And God said". So before anything started happenning on earth, there was a beginning-there was a expanding universe or you can say a evolving universe, there was an earth.

 

[gnostic]

Were the male animals made before the female animals, who presumably had to also be made from the male animals' rib? Couldn't god have simply made everything at once in a single instant? Silly bible

I have problem with both chapters. In chapter 1, all creature including humans were created on the same day. Male and female.

There's a problem with this historically and scientifically, but I won't jump into that.

Chapter 2 says that Eve was created out of Adam's ribs. Between that time he created animals as Adam's original companions. So the order of creation is Adam, animals, then Eve last.

If a human required a separation into making one male and one female, then were those animals created male and female at the same time, or separated like Adam and Eve afterward.

I understand your view that the bible is silly.

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

Well, in chapter one, it seems to be a simultaneous creation.

And yeah, God could have done it all at once, but where's the fun in that? ^_^

Listen carefully to the answer:

Qura'an Ch.21
16 We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them in play.


17 If We had wished to find a pastime, We could have found it in Our presence - if We ever did.


18 Nay, but We hurl the true against the false, and it doth break its head and lo! it vanisheth. And yours will be woe for that which ye ascribe (unto Him).


19 Unto Him belongeth whosoever is in the heavens and the earth. And those who dwell in His presence are not too proud to worship Him, nor do they weary;


20 They glorify (Him) night and day; they flag not.


21 Or have they chosen gods from the earth who raise the dead ?


22 If there were therein gods beside Allah, then verily both (the heavens and the earth) had been disordered. Glorified be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, from all that they ascribe (unto Him).


23 He will not be questioned as to that which He doeth, but they will be questioned.


24 Or have they chosen other gods beside Him ? say: Bring your proof (of their godhead). This is the Reminder of those with me and those before me, but most of them know not the Truth and so they are averse.


25 And We sent no messenger before thee but We inspired him, (saying): There is no God save Me (Allah), so worship Me.


26 And they say: The Beneficent hath taken unto Himself a son. Be He Glorified! Nay, but (those whom they call sons) are honoured slaves;


27 They speak not until He hath spoken, and they act by His command.


28 He knoweth what is before them and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him whom He accepteth, and they quake for awe of Him.


29 And one of them who should say: Lo! I am a god beside Him, that one We should repay with hell. Thus We Repay wrong-doers.


30 Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water ? Will they not then believe ?

Big bang!

 

[ChristineES]

The bible didn't talk much about any animals outside of farm animals used for eating and/or sacrifice. It talked a little about them, but not a lot. The Old Testament is a series of stories about men who followed God.

The Diary of Anne Frank doesn't talk about dinosaurs, either. But that doesn't stop it from being a true story.

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

Uh... no it doesn't.

From dictionary.com:





This verse, if anything, tells that there was some kind of other leader on earth before humans, equal if not just beneath. (and I believe all life to be equal, regardless of intellect, so to me, even bacteria are equal to us)

Besides, what are the other verses in that section? What's the context?

[29] It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; then He turned to the heaven and made them into seven firmaments. And of all things He hath perfect knowledge.


first, Allah created every thing on earth including animals, and then ...

[30] Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood? Whilst we do celebrate Thy praise and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."

 

[Riverwolf]

Listen carefully to the answer:

Qura'an Ch.21
16 We created not the heaven and the earth and all that is between them in play.


17 If We had wished to find a pastime, We could have found it in Our presence - if We ever did.


18 Nay, but We hurl the true against the false, and it doth break its head and lo! it vanisheth. And yours will be woe for that which ye ascribe (unto Him).


19 Unto Him belongeth whosoever is in the heavens and the earth. And those who dwell in His presence are not too proud to worship Him, nor do they weary;


20 They glorify (Him) night and day; they flag not.


21 Or have they chosen gods from the earth who raise the dead ?


22 If there were therein gods beside Allah, then verily both (the heavens and the earth) had been disordered. Glorified be Allah, the Lord of the Throne, from all that they ascribe (unto Him).


23 He will not be questioned as to that which He doeth, but they will be questioned.


24 Or have they chosen other gods beside Him ? say: Bring your proof (of their godhead). This is the Reminder of those with me and those before me, but most of them know not the Truth and so they are averse.


25 And We sent no messenger before thee but We inspired him, (saying): There is no God save Me (Allah), so worship Me.


26 And they say: The Beneficent hath taken unto Himself a son. Be He Glorified! Nay, but (those whom they call sons) are honoured slaves;


27 They speak not until He hath spoken, and they act by His command.


28 He knoweth what is before them and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him whom He accepteth, and they quake for awe of Him.


29 And one of them who should say: Lo! I am a god beside Him, that one We should repay with hell. Thus We Repay wrong-doers.


30 Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water ? Will they not then believe ?

Yes, because:

[6] As for those who disbelieve, it is the same for them; whether you warn them, or not warn them, they cannot believe.

[7] God seals their minds and their hearing, and their eyes are veiled. They have incurred severe retribution.


Sorry. I can never believe because my eyes are forever veiled to the truth.

[29] It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; then He turned to the heaven and made them into seven firmaments. And of all things He hath perfect knowledge.


first, Allah created every thing on earth including animals, and then ...

[30] Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood? Whilst we do celebrate Thy praise and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."

...Again, that doesn't say anything about dinosaurs. Most of them didn't shed blood at all anymore than animals today; if anything, humans shed far more blood than all the dinosaurs put together. So in a sense, we're the vicegerent spoken of in that passage.

 

[mohammed_beiruti]

Yes, because:


...Again, that doesn't say anything about dinosaurs. Most of them didn't shed blood at all anymore than animals today; if anything, humans shed far more blood than all the dinosaurs put together. So in a sense, we're the vicegerent spoken of in that passage.

of course we are the "vicegerents" on earth, this title is not an honoring title for us, but it's more a responsibility that we are in charge of, the reponsibilty saving the planet from perversion.

for last time i repeat , "there was a life before Adem and Eve , the kind of animals and thier names are not mentioned explicitly", and by the way who named them dinosaurs at first.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

This same word tan-neem is used in Exodus for the snake/reptile that Moses' used to swallow up pharaohs snakes--So now the whales in Genesis is not properly translated. A whale does not fit all the other things in the definition.

Biblical scholars suggest that tannin is a carry-over from early Canaanite mythology.

With that out of the way and heres the key--- In Gen 1 these are not literal 24hr days ...

Baseless and self-serving nonsense.

 

[Riverwolf]

of course we are the "vicegerents" on earth, this title is not an honoring title for us, but it's more a responsibility that we are in charge of, the reponsibilty saving the planet from perversion.

for last time i repeat , "there was a life before Adem and Eve , the kind of animals and thier names are not mentioned explicitly", and by the way who named them dinosaurs at first.

It was not uncommon knowledge that there was life before Adam and Eve; the concept is also in the first chapter of Genesis, when God made animals before mankind. Not to mention the quote you were using is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too vague to prove anything; if it were more specific, like saying how much time had passed before the vicegerent was placed on earth, then it would be more credible on this subject.

Also, it was Sir Richard Owens who first coined the word dinosaur sometime in the 1800s. The word means terrible lizard; though these days it is established by scientists that dinosaurs weren't reptiles. So whatever word Adam called them is lost.

 

[Riverwolf]

Baseless and self-serving nonsense.

Why?