Dinosaurs vs. Adam & Eve?

[BUDDY]

It strikes me as odd that someone would post in a BIBLICAL DEBATE when they have nothing to contribute BIBLICALLY. That's all. Druidus made an attempt and then blew it.

 

[Druidus]

It strikes me as odd that someone would post in a BIBLICAL DEBATE when they have nothing to contribute BIBLICALLY.

Comparing and contrasting the bible to certain things, and/or showing the bible's contradictions of itself pertain to a biblical debate. What else would it be, as it is a debate about the bible.

This is not a same faith debate. This is an open debate.

Druidus made an attempt and then blew it.

Hmm? I don't see how. You certainly haven't disproved it, though I doubt you will make an attempt to.

 

[painted wolf]

I've heard it wasn't his 'tail' that Behemoth made stiff. :biglaugh:
however if it were, Behemoth would also sound like a Hebrew version of the Egyptian monster Amut.
Amut was meant to be the ultimate nasty creature... eater of souls. He was a combination of the three most dangerous animals in the Egyptian world. The Hippo (still the number one killer of men in Africa outside of disease baring bugs), the Croc and the Lion.

as for comparing an ox to an ox, they did call the Hippo the 'water ox' to begin with, so the comparison was already there. Heck the name Hippopotamus means 'water horse', if we can compare it to a horse why not an ox...

wa:do

 

[painted wolf]

ps, Lillith wasn't a vampire... she was a demon... a killer of children and men.
Actual vampires don't show up in myths for quite a while later. Next is the Ghoul, also an middle eastern demon.

wa:do

 

[EnhancedSpirit]

How about this? Maybe people who obviously think that the Bible is a bunch of hogwash, should stay out of a biblical debate when they are going to state such. Why not let the people who believe, whether you agree with them or not, debate Biblical principals and philosophies without having there beliefs compared to pixie dust, leprechauns and the like. Just let us discuss what we believe without critisizing us, and we won't talk about your faithless depravity or your heathen philosophy. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Is this some vain attemp to appear tolerant? Druidus was using biblical text to participate in this discussion. And then stated opinion. That's what a debate is. I know of many Christians who feel that the bible is full of contradictions and mistranslations. And I don't think it would be a debate if the only people who responded were in agreement with you.

PS, if gambling is allowed, I want 1000coins on Adam and Eve:biglaugh:

 

[Lycan]

Just let us discuss what we believe without critisizing us, and we won't talk about your faithless depravity or your heathen philosophy

So I guess the criticizing is your job...

 

[Druidus]

Ok guys, Eerwed didn't really mean it. He was just having a bad day, that's all. So we won't sacrifice him to Satan and use his power to allow Satan to take over the world. We won't even just kill him in a ritual. We'll let him be, for now...

:jiggy:

 

[jewscout]

Dinosaurs Vs. Adam & Eve?

it really depends...which dinosaur are we talking about...

i mean if it's say...Velociraptor vs. A&E i'm gonna have to say raptor w/ 50:1 odds on favorite

 

[ThisShouldMakeSense]

...In one, man names the beasts, in the other, God does. In one, they are created first, in the other, man is.

QUOTE]

could you tell me which verses say that. i had a quick look and couldn't see anything like that...thanks

 

[jewscout]

Ah. Lilith, the first wife of Adam. Apparently, didn't want Adam to be superior, and, so, against God's will, fled, and became the first vampire.

and from some sources became the wife of Samael, prince of the Demons (i think it was samael i'll have to double check)...but then again...Samael works for G-d so one would have to surmise that she works for Him too...

but then there are those who would argue to the contrary...so many opinions...so few brain cells left over from college to remember them all...

 

[Linus]

Is it not just a bit awkward to reject scientific consensus based on a verse that cannot be translated with any degree of certainty?

A literary device is hardly a hard and fast scientific statement. These verses are written as poetry. Whether is moves, sways, bends, or is made stiff makes no real difference as far as I can see.

How scientific does it need to get? The point is that the tail of the behomoth is like a cedar. God is making a comparison and neither the ox nor the hippo have a tail that can be compared to that.

 

[dorsk188]

Having seen a ceder BRANCH, I can affirm that hippos or oxen both have a ceder-like tail. Scientifically, the evidence that Dinosaurs exist is abundant and there has been no evidence tha Adam and Eve existed. Biblically, there is no mention of dinosaurs (unless you consider a unicorn or hippo to be a dinosaur).

Ancient people had little or no concept of prehistoric life. Ancient Greeks called mammoth bones the "Graves of Heroes" and cyclopes. Torah writing Jews had enough trouble condensing the various versions of the creation myths into one volume without having to worry about historical accuracy. The reason there are two complete accounts of the creation is just evidence that the dusty old rabbis had a lot of trouble deciding what was the REAL story.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Whether it moves, sways, bends, or is made stiff makes no real difference as far as I can see.

Of course it doesn't. You start with your presuppositions and reverse-engineer a self-serving argument and, therefore, could care less what the term means, whether or not it was idiom, and whether or not we can find comparable usage elsewhere. Translating an ancient and primitive language is rife with difficulties. Ignorance of vernacular is a common problem. Willful ignorance, however, is simply inexcusable.

 

[cturne]

Incorrect, Emu. It does, actually, say that man was created twice; once before the other animals, and once after:

Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Genesis 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man

In Genesis 1:27, man is created after the other animals, but then in Genesis 2:7 and 2:22, man and women are created again (I guess the first ones cracked in the oven), and shortly after man is created (but before women), the other animals are created (indeed, in the second version, Adam names them). Which one do we believe? I don't really care. To me, it's just another biblicial confliction, though an obvious one.

These are not 2 separate accounts of creation - please see: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i4/genesis.asp for a very good explanation.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

These are not 2 separate accounts of creation - please see: answersingenesis.org for a very good explanation.

Apologetic nonsense from the center for apologetic nensense.

 

[cturne]

Apologetic nonsense from the center for apologetic nensense.

Just because you don't like what this website says doesn't make it nonsense.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Just because you don't like what this website says doesn't make it nonsense.

That is absolutely true. My contempt for answeringenesis.org was not what made it nonsense. Thanks.

 

[Scott1]

Apologetic nonsense from the center for apologetic nensense.

Now, that's not very nice at all..... **hang on, let me look at the site for a minute**

..... check that, you were right.... carry on.

 

[Mossburg32908]

If the world was perfect before adam and eve took the "bite of the apple" then why were they killing each other, or why were they killed them selves

 

[cturne]

If the world was perfect before adam and eve took the "bite of the apple" then why were they killing each other, or why were they killed them selves

There wasn't any killing before Adam and Eve sinned - what are you referring to?