Discrepancies in Genesis?

[sojourner]

I try and just go north and southern traditions with J and E

But even that gets tough because P redacted and redefined them all to a J primacy.

Yeah, the whole "north/south" thing doesn't really work in the long run.

 

[outhouse]

Yeah, the whole "north/south" thing doesn't really work in the long run.

No but Judah had different traditions from Jerusalem, and we tended to see more loyalty to El in northern sections and Yahweh southern if Im not mistaken.

Understanding that this only applies to earliest traditions during a specific time period.

 

[sojourner]

No but Judah had different traditions from Jerusalem, and we tended to see more loyalty to El in northern sections and Yahweh southern if Im not mistaken.

Understanding that this only applies to earliest traditions during a specific time period.

Either that, or God wrote the bible and scholarship counts for nothing...

:trampo:

 

[gnostic]

Dear Readers, False Teaching. The entire Bible was written by the Holy Spirit and correctly calls God, Elohim and LORD God, YHWH orJesus. Some JWs and other fringe groups teach that the only God is Jehovah. This is incorrect because they don't recognize Jesus as LORD in the Old Testament, and they have "added vowels" to YHWH in a vain attempt to deceive others.

Jesus has nothing do with Genesis.

Jesus wasn't there. He didn't write the book of Genesis.

Connecting Jesus to the Genesis is nothing more than you proclaiming your belief, don't really contribute anything to this topic. And the Holy Spirit is NT topic, which also is going off-topic.

This thread is topic about the discrepancies in the Genesis, not in gospels or NT epistles, though there are plenty of discrepancies in the NT too, but that would also be going off-topic.

So far, you have not said anything to refute sojourner's view, just some babbles about your belief that Jesus is God and empty accusation of false teaching.

 

[gnostic]

I don't pretend to remember enough to be helpful. But there are at least two traditions that can be sorted out of Genesis. One is called the "P", from attribution to priestly sources. Another is called the "j", from jahwist sources. It is all fascinating, but I don't claim to be able to explain it.

:yes: Yes, it's true, the Documentary Hypothesis is complicated, and I have problems with understand it fully. Also, I am no expert in languages and dealing with context of verses in the way that I know which sources belonged to where.

But there is an easy way to identify some of the P-source, which may help you.

The P-source, was written around the time, when Jews were living in Babylon as hostages. They focused more on time (eg 1st day, 2nd day, etc of creation), genealogy (like Genesis 5 and Genesis 11), and with rituals (like circumcision (Genesis 17), the roles or duties that the Levite priesthood play or have).

And like, outhouse said, P redacted both E and J, and make god more distant and shadowy than either of the other two sources; for example, the P's god is less human or has less human traits.

 

[gnostic]

Either that, or God wrote the bible and scholarship counts for nothing...

or alternatively, God didn't write the bible, and the scholarship still counts for nothing.

 

[Nada]

There are no discrepancies, only misunderstandings.

 

[Simplelogic]

This is off-topic. The topic is "discrepancies in Genesis." Please try to stay on topic.

Look who is staying on topic. I'm impressed.

 

[Skwim]

There are no discrepancies, only misunderstandings.

Then consider these two different orders of creation in the following. In Genesis 1 it's implied the animals are created before Adam. In Genesis 2 it's implied they're created after Adam.
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GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.​

 

[gnostic]

There are no discrepancies, only misunderstandings.

The misunderstanding is in the part of whoever originally wrote specific parts of Genesis.

According to science, stars that we could see in our night sky were formed long before the Earth was ever formed, but according to Genesis 1, the starts weren't even created till the fourth day.

And how does the first day have morning and evening, and night and day, without the sun, which was created till the 4th day. Genesis 1 made it that daylight was made without the sun, which implied no sun was needed for daylight. You can't have daylight without the Sun.

No, bible student, the misunderstanding is definitely on the part of the author(s), who really didn't understand earth science or astronomy. And Genesis 1 wasn't written by Moses, which as both Christians and Jews traditionally believe in; Genesis 1 was originally composed by the priests living in exile in Babylon during the 6th century BCE, hence the P-source.

 

[outhouse]

only misunderstandings.

Which for the majority if the time, is theist appealing to severe historical ignorance, often willful.