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Discuss Paul's contradictions with Jesus?

absolutely not.




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false

thats ignorance of how mythology was used and written.

religion is created by man, and who man chooses to worship is also created.



wrong again.




a mortal man left a impression on a large group of people during his incident in the temple, where roughly 400,000 people might have witnessed his possible riot in the temple and then his crucifiction. He fought against the oppression and taxation of the romans in a peaceful way knowing violence was something romans had mastered and in no way could you win in that manner. and had unique parables and was very intelligent for a poor peasant.

Jesus movement was purely in judaism and in no way a gentile mission.

jesus movement was short lived in judaism much like a shooting star but based on this mortal man a sect of judaism was formed which caught the eye of paul a jewish roman who made himself a apostle and took his version, completely different then jesus version to the roman empire

in jesus time there were a large number of romans worshipping in synagogues called god-fearers, this was a perfect audience for paul to take his version of jesus movement which was theology based more so then jesus movement which was more or less a matter of survival.

the gospels were written for a roman audience probably by converted god fearers who lived in a much different place then jesus, never heard a word he said and knew nothing of the real man 30-40 years after his death from cross cultural oral tradition.


all of the writings we have are what amounts to be jesus enemies, its why every thing writing about jesus is silent on his movement being for gentiles, It wasnt. jesus taught to hardworking poor jews in small villages. jesus hated the roman oppression and occupation and hated the roman infection in the temple which to jews was gods home. The jewish governement and treasury were corrupted due to the roman infection and raping jews to the point of starvation. and all we have is the roman approved version of who jesus was.
What the heck man, you are such a clown.
I've listened to enough. You hide behind faux history to peddle your nonsense.

What you are really on the RF doing, is just HOPING and PRAYING that someone will ask the right question so you can open the floodgates of Outhouse faux history and biased views.

Quite pathetic.

I would be more interested if you stuck to facts and didn't interject pathetic wishful opinion on limited historical facts.

I have kept quiet on my knowledge of history at this point, but I have heard enough of this rubbish. You are talking to a person who teaches History and has done so for many years. I have a degree in this particular area as well. So, it is painfully clear now that you can't just present history and let it stand on its own, but have to pepper it with interjected non-sense and immature wishful opinions.

It is obvious why others don't take you very serious. Thanks for showing your cards. I wouldn't waste my time talking with you, probably even if I was paid. You are so full of yourself, and full of something I shall not mention that it is oozing out of your brain. Which has made you utterly blind to how imbecilic your representation of "history" really is.

What is your background? What is your education? Other than a fascination with this time period, what qualifies you to pepper the bits of history you know with woven tales of lies and opinions? I imagine you are so full of yourself, you are not even aware that you hurt your bits of accurate history with emotional rhetoric packed in between what might be discussable topics.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I have kept quiet on my knowledge of history at this point


No Your lack of knowledge on this is quite obvious.

And if you knew the first thing about history you would understand that if you have a problem you dont attack the messenger you attack the message, but you lack the skills to do so.

you have basically broken forum rules with your attack.


I wish you didnt lack the knowledge to discuss this like a adult.


FIND a part of it you with your knowledge you can refute. because I have modern scholarships behind me. what do you have besides ignorance?
 
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outhouse

Atheistically
I have a degree in this particular area as well


I dont see it. and if you do, you wouldnt need to open a thread discussing how pauls teachings were different to jesus.

Historicity of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

However, Ehrman has stated ".....they are not written by eyewitnesses who were contemporary with the events they narrate. They were written thirty-five to sixty-five years after Jesus’ death by people who did not know him, did not see anything he did or hear anything that he taught, people who spoke a different language from his and lived in a different country from him."[135] The reason for composition of the gospels is given in the scriptural material itself, as being due to the death of a number of eyewitnesses to the events described, and the need to combat alternative versions of the events which were emerging

Ehrman emphasizes that "[t]he sources of the Gospels are riddled with just the same problems that we found in the Gospels themselves: they, too, represent traditions that were passed down by word of mouth, year after year, among Christians who sometimes changed the stories—indeed, sometimes invented the stories—as they retold them


Zealotry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A Simon who is referred to as "the Zealot" is found among the disciples of Jesus.


The Zealots objected to Roman rule and violently sought to eradicate it by generally targeting Romans and Greeks

The Zealots advocated violence against the Romans, their Jewish collaborators, and the Sadducees, by raiding for provisions and other activities to aid their cause.

this shows many Galilians zealots hated the saducees, you know those pesky people who ran the treasury and temple.

"They began to accuse him, saying, "We found this man perverting the nation, forbidding paying taxes to Caesar, and saying that he himself is Christ, a king." - Luke 23:2


Who Would Jesus Tax? - Data Mining the Bible - Jesus the Christ - Bible Verses - Bible Study - What would Jesus do? - WhatisTaxed.com

  1. Fact: Jesus was charged with "forbidding paying taxes". Luke 23:2
  2. Fact: Jesus taught "the subjects [children, sons] are exempt." And, that "kings of the earth" should instead collect taxes from "foreigners." Matthew 17:25-27
  3. Fact: Jesus was teaching to tax collectors. Luke 15:1
  4. Fact: Jesus was friends with tax collectors Matthew 11:19, and He sought their company in order to heal their sickness. Luke 5:30-31
  5. Fact: Jesus interfered with tax collectors work. Luke 19:8 , Matthew 9:9
  6. Fact: Evidently, being the right person to ask, Jesus was tested specifically about paying taxes. Matthew 22:15-21
  7. Fact: Jesus overthrew the tables of moneychangers, disrupting banking, and thus, taxes. Mark 11:15, John 2:15, Matthew 21:12
  8. Fact: Jesus was against Caesar's money system, because it was harder ("impossible") for the rich to enter into heaven - "Who then can be saved?" Jesus looked at them and said, "With men this is impossible". Matthew 19:23-26 If there was less wealth to tax, Caesar's taxes (his pile of money) would shrink.
  9. Fact: Jesus insulted the chief priests and elders (i.e. government authorities, the crime partners of moneychanging thieves) by telling them "tax collectors and prostitutes will get into God's kingdom ahead of you!" - Matthew 21:31 He said this even though they could have arrested him. And, this would have also insulted all the tax collectors who were completely happy taking other people's money
 

Shermana

Heretic
What the heck man, you are such a clown.
I've listened to enough. You hide behind faux history to peddle your nonsense.

What you are really on the RF doing, is just HOPING and PRAYING that someone will ask the right question so you can open the floodgates of Outhouse faux history and biased views.

Quite pathetic.

I would be more interested if you stuck to facts and didn't interject pathetic wishful opinion on limited historical facts.

I have kept quiet on my knowledge of history at this point, but I have heard enough of this rubbish. You are talking to a person who teaches History and has done so for many years. I have a degree in this particular area as well. So, it is painfully clear now that you can't just present history and let it stand on its own, but have to pepper it with interjected non-sense and immature wishful opinions.

It is obvious why others don't take you very serious. Thanks for showing your cards. I wouldn't waste my time talking with you, probably even if I was paid. You are so full of yourself, and full of something I shall not mention that it is oozing out of your brain. Which has made you utterly blind to how imbecilic your representation of "history" really is.

What is your background? What is your education? Other than a fascination with this time period, what qualifies you to pepper the bits of history you know with woven tales of lies and opinions? I imagine you are so full of yourself, you are not even aware that you hurt your bits of accurate history with emotional rhetoric packed in between what might be discussable topics.

What Outhouse says about the "Jesus movement" being a purely Jewish movement until Paul came around is 100% accurate, anyone with a degree who says anything otherwise, I'd like to ask them about what they were taught. I don't agree with everything he says, but I wonder if you disagree with the premise that Christianity was originally a 100% Jewish pro-Torah movement among the Nazarenes that only LATER came to adopt a gentile anti-Torah position that was the result of the early Schisms.

Ultimately, the Gospels are 100% Jewish and the entire early Church was just another "Jewish sect" that happened to believe in Jesus as the awaited Moshiach but ultimately was a totally Jewish movement. So is James and John and arguably Jude. Even with Paul we see traces of its totally Jewish origins, and its debatable on what exactly Paul said. There's also rather compelling arguments such as from F.R. Mcguire that Galatians was not by Paul at all, and Galatians does in fact seem to contradict not only the Jerusalem Council account in Acts but Romans as well. We see that the Jewish Christian movement survived even at least until the 11th century in Arabia. What we also see is that the "orthodox" Christian Pauline church was a later institution and that there was in fact some factional feuding between the originals, the Nazarenes, and the Johnny-come-latelies, the Pauline Gentile "Church". If anything, Marcion represents what was the culmination of the early anti-Jewish schisms among "Christians".

However, what he says about the gospels being written by Jesus's enemies, may have a bit of truth to it. They are in fact heavily interpolated and likely are redactions of the originals to suit a more gentile audience, even in some cases with Matthew. What we call "Matthew" was most likely a later version of the earlier "Gospel to the Hebrews" for example. Passages inserted by Trinitarians like Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 and Antinomians like the Pericope Adulterae I would definitely agree as "Written by those Jesus would oppose".
 
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outhouse

Atheistically
I doubt he also knows that there was a tax war in Galilee while jesus was a child in which he probably had lost relatives to romans. what 2000 killed and 6000 sent to slavery

he probably forgot that the temple fell to a tax war shorty after jesus death.

maybe he forgot that money, gold and silver is mentioned in the bible 877 times, yet jesus speaks only of poverty and giving up possessions including beggar bowls.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
What Outhouse says about the "Jesus movement" being a purely Jewish movement until Paul came around is 100% accurate

I haven't been following this thread since my last response close to its inception, but I don't see how any such statement could be 100% accurate. Or rather, how we could be at all sure, from a historical point of view, that such a statement is accurate. Quite apart from the Jesus sect, it seems as if gentiles were interacting with Jews and incorporating YHWH worship into their ritual/religious practice. The gentile attendants of synagogues were likely the nexus of Gentile-Christian growth, and they were the people to whom those like Paul (or especially Paul) preached. Paul seems to have been an extraordinarily influential missionary, and also a central advocate against those who felt that converting gentiles needed to be circumcised, but there isn't much indication that this originated with him, or that he was alone, or that there were not other ways in which the Jesus sect already differed substantially from other Jewish sects or Jewish orthopraxy. Additionally, Paul remained Jewish, thought of himself as such, and seems to have regarded converting gentiles and the Jesus movement as what Judaism was.

I wonder if you disagree with the premise that Christianity was originally a 100% Jewish pro-Torah movement among the Nazarenes that only LATER came to adopt a gentile anti-Torah position that was the result of the early Schisms.

We have multiple problems here. First there is the issue of what you mean by torah as it applies to first century judaism. "Law" in the loose sense, the pentateuch, the pentateuch combined with other Jewish texts and perhaps the oral torah, or something else? Second, one has to keep in mind the most important and most certain historical aspect of Jesus' life: his execution. From the beginning (as evident even in Paul, who admits that as a zealous Jew he started out persecuting the followers of Jesus), Jesus and his followers clashed with other Jews. It seems fairly certain that it was primarily for the problems Jesus caused within the Jewish community that the romans executed him. In other words, it's hard to imagine a 100% pro-Torah Jesus and followers unless one allows for (at least at times) a fairly radical reinterpretation of torah beginning with Jesus, not Paul.

Ultimately, the Gospels are 100% Jewish

The gospels, though, particularly, John, represent a much later tradition. And, granting that the author of acts was the author of luke (contra Atkenson), by the time Luke was writing they were followers of Christ were already differentiated from other Jews and called "christians." This picture is strengthened by the account of Nero and the christians in Tacitus, where the emperor himself seems to know enough about the group to see them as 1) different from the Jews and gentiles and 2) generally hated such that they were convenient scapegoats.
 

Shermana

Heretic
I haven't been following this thread since my last response close to its inception, but I don't see how any such statement could be 100% accurate. Or rather, how we could be at all sure, from a historical point of view, that such a statement is accurate. Quite apart from the Jesus sect, it seems as if gentiles were interacting with Jews and incorporating YHWH worship into their ritual/religious practice. The gentile attendants of synagogues were likely the nexus of Gentile-Christian growth, and they were the people to whom those like Paul (or especially Paul) preached. Paul seems to have been an extraordinarily influential missionary, and also a central advocate against those who felt that converting gentiles needed to be circumcised, but there isn't much indication that this originated with him, or that he was alone, or that there were not other ways in which the Jesus sect already differed substantially from other Jewish sects or Jewish orthopraxy. Additionally, Paul remained Jewish, thought of himself as such, and seems to have regarded converting gentiles and the Jesus movement as what Judaism was.

Your contention is perfectly valid. Paul may have been preaching to a choir that was already trying to make its own (off-key) tune as opposed to the official all-Jewish music of the Nazarenes. There still remains scholarly debate on what exactly Paul taught. I'm still not sure. I believe Galatians for example, may in fact be a forgery like FR Mcguire conviningly lays out, against the majority Scholarly opinion, but the scholarly opinion on Galatians is heavily weighted by the Paulines...so...

Anyways, you have a very valid point. Paul may have not been the one to really start the gentile schism. But however, there's no proof either way. It's speculation on both ends.


We have multiple problems here. First there is the issue of what you mean by torah as it applies to first century judaism. "Law" in the loose sense, the pentateuch, the pentateuch combined with other Jewish texts and perhaps the oral torah, or something else?

A major problem with many people's understanding of the Gospels is that the Pharisees and Sadducees, according to Jesus, were preaching wrong things about the Law. Similar to how Rabbis today have made up all kinds of rules and regulations that have no scriptural basis or are only loosely based, like the milk and meat prohibition (hard to imagine a chicken being the son of a cow).

As for the Oral Torah, that is indeed a very problematic issue, it seems Jesus did in fact refer to some elements of it, but renounced others like the ritual handwashing. So again, more speculation.


Second, one has to keep in mind the most important and most certain historical aspect of Jesus' life: his execution. From the beginning (as evident even in Paul, who admits that as a zealous Jew he started out persecuting the followers of Jesus), Jesus and his followers clashed with other Jews. It seems fairly certain that it was primarily for the problems Jesus caused within the Jewish community that the romans executed him. In other words, it's hard to imagine a 100% pro-Torah Jesus and followers unless one allows for (at least at times) a fairly radical reinterpretation of torah beginning with Jesus, not Paul.

Many of the controversial passages are heavily suspected as interpolations. For example, the priohibition of a man remarrying after he divorces, is widely considered a later addition. Probably because some female believers felt it unfair that only they couldn't remarry. However, the common arguments that Jesus was anti-Law like with healing on the Sabbath and the erroneous translation "(Thus he declared all foods clean)" are based on gross misinterpretations that completely ignore the actual context of the stories, and ignore key parts that explain the meaning. For example, the disciples ask Jesus what he means by "This parable". Most Messianic Jews read the Gospels without seeing any lawlessness.

The issue here is the PHARISEE version of the Law. They didn't like Jesus's criticisms of their proto-Talmudic additions.



The gospels, though, particularly, John, represent a much later tradition. And, granting that the author of acts was the author of luke (contra Atkenson), by the time Luke was writing they were followers of Christ were already differentiated from other Jews and called "christians." This picture is strengthened by the account of Nero and the christians in Tacitus, where the emperor himself seems to know enough about the group to see them as 1) different from the Jews and gentiles and 2) generally hated such that they were convenient scapegoats.
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I thought the Romans didn't even differentiate between them all that much until later on, even requiring them to pay temple tax (which they did).

However, Luke is a difficult book to ascertain its origins, as opposed to Acts (and its speculation that they are by the same author even though its tradition). We see in Luke 16:17 a clear pro-Law statement. These issues probably deserve their own threads.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
We have multiple problems here. First there is the issue of what you mean by torah as it applies to first century judaism. "Law" in the loose sense, the pentateuch, the pentateuch combined with other Jewish texts and perhaps the oral torah, or something else? Second, one has to keep in mind the most important and most certain historical aspect of Jesus' life: his execution. From the beginning (as evident even in Paul, who admits that as a zealous Jew he started out persecuting the followers of Jesus), Jesus and his followers clashed with other Jews. It seems fairly certain that it was primarily for the problems Jesus caused within the Jewish community that the romans executed him. In other words, it's hard to imagine a 100% pro-Torah Jesus and followers unless one allows for (at least at times) a fairly radical reinterpretation of torah beginning with Jesus, not Paul.

a few points need to be addressed here.


1rst is that paul and the zealous comment. Many are claiming a mistranslation there for zealot by the capitol spelling of the Z

2nd is that the jesus sect didnt have troule in judaism per say. It had trouble with certain sects. The Saducees were a well known hated group by all. So jesus problems were typical of most jews in Galilee
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Or rather, how we could be at all sure, from a historical point of view, that such a statement is accurate.

while there were many god-fearers as you have pointed out, by the writings we attribute to jesus, there is not one mention of gentile's. we see jesus as a poor peasant jew not happy with the roman infection in the temple, who surrounds himself with jews as well. By the version of the movement his followers are said to be spreading and their adherance to jewish law. Its safe to say jesus followed judaism and wasnt happy about the hellenization.
 

outhouse

Atheistically
Anyways, you have a very valid point. Paul may have not been the one to really start the gentile schism. But however, there's no proof either way. It's speculation on both ends.

I dont think paul invented anything either.

I think the incident in the temple and death created oral tradition that spread to jews and gentiles a like.
 

F0uad

Well-Known Member
I dont think paul invented anything either.

I think the incident in the temple and death created oral tradition that spread to jews and gentiles a like.

I think he does since he contradicts most of the Law-Upholding Jesus(p) and actually according to the Gospels themselves killed early Christians and executed them personally. He is also the main force in Biblical scripture that tells us that there is no need to uphold the law..

I would say that the Biblical scriptures have been influenced by Paul and later Jewish scribes and some even by the Roman Church Fathers who took some Greek Myths into the text and justifying something like a Trinity as we discovered a couple of years ago that the trinity and begotten son verses were a incorporation.
 

Shermana

Heretic
I think he does since he contradicts most of the Law-Upholding Jesus(p) and actually according to the Gospels themselves killed early Christians and executed them personally. He is also the main force in Biblical scripture that tells us that there is no need to uphold the law..

I would say that the Biblical scriptures have been influenced by Paul and later Jewish scribes and some even by the Roman Church Fathers who took some Greek Myths into the text and justifying something like a Trinity as we discovered a couple of years ago that the trinity and begotten son verses were a incorporation.

I personally don't think the edits and redactions are due to Jewish scribes but gentiles. Maybe SOME in Matthew which was most likely originally "Gospel to the Hebrews", but nothing really concrete, if anything I'd think the edits there (Such as the widely-held-as-interpolation that men cannot remarry after divorce) are all from anti-Judaizers.

There's also the question if Paul even wrote some of the books attributed to him. Most blindly accept Galatians as by Paul, but several like FR Mcguire make compelling arguments that this is an untenable view, even if its the traditional "Scholarly" position. Even in Romans, Paul seems to contradict himself, he seems to be pro-Law in one place, anti-Law in another. I think Dr. Edgar Goodspeed had a good solution for this problem: Romans and Corinthians appear to be patchworks, especially due to their length. Epistles aren't normally that long.

I posit that virtually all of the corruption of the texts was from Trinitarians and Pauline anti-Law types who were trying their best to de-Judaize the story from its original Jewish roots.
 
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outhouse

Atheistically
I think he does since he contradicts most of the Law-Upholding Jesus(p) and actually according to the Gospels themselves killed early Christians and executed them personally. He is also the main force in Biblical scripture that tells us that there is no need to uphold the law..

I would say that the Biblical scriptures have been influenced by Paul and later Jewish scribes and some even by the Roman Church Fathers who took some Greek Myths into the text and justifying something like a Trinity as we discovered a couple of years ago that the trinity and begotten son verses were a incorporation.

paul is a hellenized jew who is also a roman

but we are talking about the invention of taking the movement away from judaism to the romans. he didnt, he just wrote about his involvement with the hellinization of the original movement
 

outhouse

Atheistically
I personally don't think the edits and redactions are due to Jewish scribes but gentiles.

I think you are correct.

there are very few reasons to think strickly jews were involved with any part of the movement beyond jesus 3 original disciples.

after that we dont know how jewish the authors were and more then likely they were god fearers, as they are writing for a roman audience less matthew who is still using the roman foundation laid before him, so im not sure he was strickly jewish, its obvious he wasnt.
 

F0uad

Well-Known Member
I would follow berthman's work where he explains how the Jewish and Gentile scribes made some major changes. But i do agree with above posts
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
may in fact be a forgery like FR Mcguire conviningly lays out
What about McGuire's argument do you find convincing (over and against the linguistic, statistical, and stylistic analysis behind the academic majority opinion)?






the priohibition of a man remarrying after he divorces, is widely considered a later addition

This teaching is the most attestested of Jesus' we have, predating the gospels. It is in Paul, Mark, and Q. There is no early tradition we have any knowledge of in which Jesus is not thought to have prohibited divorce
The issue here is the PHARISEE version of the Law. They didn't like Jesus's criticisms of their proto-Talmudic additions.
Jesus seems to have had plenty of his own. And the Sadducees were known for rejecting the oral torah and other "proto-Talmudic additions" yet Jesus appears to have especially offended them.
I thought the Romans didn't even differentiate between them all that much until later on, even requiring them to pay temple tax (which they did).

If Tacitus is to be believed, the differentiation began as early as the 60s, likely before most all the gospels were written.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
a few points need to be addressed here.


1rst is that paul and the zealous comment. Many are claiming a mistranslation there for zealot by the capitol spelling of the Z

There was nothing except for uppercase/majuscule letters in hellenistic greek texts. In other words, their was no "lowercase" zeta.

2nd is that the jesus sect didnt have troule in judaism per say.

Even according to apologetic sources, it did.
 

Shermana

Heretic
What about McGuire's argument do you find convincing (over and against the linguistic, statistical, and stylistic analysis behind the academic majority opinion)?
First off, the stylistic and linguistic reasons themselves are a bit shoddy if not straight up circular to begin with, none of the other epistles are of the same "Style" as of Galatians. I think those arguments are mainly by traditionalist "Conservative" scholars. This in itself is a whole thread's worth of debate. Galatians if anything is used as the basis of Pauline thought and writings, is it not?

But I think the best argument is, besides the fact Galatians kinda clashes with Act's account of the Jerusalem Council and the issue of the flight to Arabia, it invariably seems like it was intended as a reaction to Acts itself:
Let us tentatively suppose, with Enslin, that Paul's flight from Damascus is most reliably described in II Cor. xi, 33-3; that the account in Acts ix, 23-5 is secondary, the same incident being only barely alluded to in Gal. i, 17. Paul has somehow antagonised the Arabian political authorities and has taken refuge in Damascus. The „governor under King Aretas“ has posted a guard on the city walls, with orders to arrest Paul should he venture outside Damascus, hence his unceremonious escape--not from immediate danger, however, but through danger. Luke, wishing to commend Christianity to the Roman authorities as a politically inoffensive movement, represents Paul as the victim of Jewish persecution for purely religious reasons. Not only his liberty but even his life is threatened by local Jews, yet in Acts ix, 26 we next find him in Jerusalem. Although Jerusalem would be the least likely destination for a Paul who had fled from Damascus for the reason given in Acts, in the light of II Corinthians-which does not say where he went-it does not seem at all unreasonable. But where does he go in Galatians? Into Arabia--where, on the evidence of II Corinthians, the danger is greatest. Despite the marked similarity of the two epistles, I submit that Galatians comes from a later hand and presupposes the reader's knowledge of II Corinthians. If Paul did go to Arabia, what did he do there and how long did he stay? In the absence of such details, Gal. i, 17 serves no other purpose than to improve on the earlier first-person account and refute Luke's version of his movements between Damascus and Jerusalem.
This teaching is the most attestested of Jesus' we have, predating the gospels. It is in Paul, Mark, and Q. There is no early tradition we have any knowledge of in which Jesus is not thought to have prohibited divorce
We had a whole thread on this, and I didn't say "divorce altogether", I said the prohibition on remarriage.

http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...59-jesuss-teaching-divorce-interpolation.html

Matthew 19:9b is by far and large considered an interpolation. I think the arguments on both sides are sound nonetheless.
Jesus seems to have had plenty of his own. And the Sadducees were known for rejecting the oral torah and other "proto-Talmudic additions" yet Jesus appears to have especially offended them.
Why do you think? He was talking about the afterlife and such.


If Tacitus is to be believed, the differentiation began as early as the 60s, likely before most all the gospels were written.
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That would be about when the Pauline schism was in full swing. Nonetheless it seems many were making sacrifices alongside the Jews until 70.
 
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LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
none of the other epistles are of the same "Style" as of Galatians.
They are. But all the epistles have the same general "style" being epistles. The greek lexical usage, constructions, etc., are unmistakably Pauline.

I think those arguments are mainly by traditionalist "Conservative" scholars.
More like scholars period.

Galatians if anything is used as the basis of Pauline thought and writings, is it not?
Not really.

But I think the best argument is, besides the fact Galatians kinda clashes with Act's
If it didn't, that would be more suspicious. Not less.

I said the prohibition on remarriage.

I think Jesus thought remarriage a moot point. God's kingdom was at hand.

That would be about when the Pauline schism was in full swing.

Quite an assumption.
 

Shermana

Heretic
They are. But all the epistles have the same general "style" being epistles. The greek lexical usage, constructions, etc., are unmistakably Pauline.
That's the issue:

What does "Unmistakably Pauline" Mean? Comparing to the other Epistles? Which epistles? Ephesians?


More like scholars period.
There are detractors.


Not really.
Feel free to expound. I've heard numerous times that Galatians is the "most Pauline" of the Epistles.


If it didn't, that would be more suspicious. Not less.
I don't think we're on the same page, explain.



I think Jesus thought remarriage a moot point. God's kingdom was at hand.
I don't see the relevance to the issue of it being interpolated.

Quite an assumption.
Why? When do you think the Pauline Schism was in full swing, and why were there Christians making sacrifices at the Temple?
 
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