Discuss what you think of..China

[Riverwolf]

I'm admittedly ignorant of China as a whole, but these are my very uninformed thoughts.

China is nowhere near as bad as US media makes it out to be sometimes. The fact that you are here criticizing it tells me it's not as bad as I thought it was, either.

I think China is on its way to becoming a great nation, if it can learn to let go of territory (Tibet and others) since the bigger the country, the harder it is to administrate it, and if it can learn to let go of old grudges (the atrocities committed by the Japanese armies before and during WWII). After all, Japan has forgiven the US for the atom bombs and pretty much dismemberment of centuries of culture and heritage.

Oh, and yeah, it should stop supporting North Korea, though from what I've seen, that's already starting to happen.

Oh, and one final point that hasn't been brought up yet: China REALLY needs to address its piracy. Seriously, half of all the bootleg movies, shows, and games come from China. That demonstrates to me the lack of effective administration mentioned above.

 

[illykitty]

Oh I forgot something else I love from China... Taobao. <333

 

[PassionFruit53]

Oh, and one final point that hasn't been brought up yet: China REALLY needs to address its piracy. Seriously, half of all the bootleg movies, shows, and games come from China. That demonstrates to me the lack of effective administration mentioned above.

This is easy to say but hard to do. As you know in many websites around the world, even some American websites, you can just simply download any movie you want even in high quality, then make a DVD and take it to the street corner to sell it.

In previous times people just took a camera to the cinema and secretly recorded the movie but since video camera is expensive, that only a few people can afford such business.

Also one factor is since the government banned some movies, for Chinese the only way to watch it is to purchase an illegal copy from someone on the street.

Since technology improved, I even know some kids who did it in my high school and university to make some extra money. They can even make a copy of Windows using a CD copy machine, and sold it and it will be exactly the same as a real Windows CD.

I think this is so common even many people who do it don't know it is illegal they just think that they are running business, but not doing something wrong.

 

[LuisDantas]

When I think of China, I think of stability, ancient roots, multitudes.

Of the origins of Jodo Shu and Chan Buddhism. Of a people who are used to think of the well-being of the masses and live relatively simply.

And work hard. Yes, I know you disagree on this last item, but that is what I think about.

Oh, and I think about one of the less democratic and the last significant communist country on Earth.

 

[F0uad]

China is more Middle-eastern friendly and is not trying to empire the whole world, maybe only Asia or neighboring countries .
I also think about Population control, a good economic structure and Beijing?

 

[Revoltingest]

China is more Middle-eastern friendly and is not trying to empire the whole world, maybe only Asia or neighboring countries .
I also think about Population control, a good economic structure and Beijing?

I would call the economic structure "improving" relative to where it was a few decades ago.
They have a booming economy, but it is riddled with dysfunctionality, eg, piracy, poor product quality, gov corruption.
I don't criticize them for this, since to transition from what they were to what they will be is a difficult process.

 

[BirdseyeSwordfish]

- And Even though I am from China I wish Tibet will get freedom someday.

Do you actually believe this?

Perhaps the police over there in China would be interested in hearing what you have to say on the matter.

 

[Flankerl]

Do you actually believe this?

Perhaps the police over there in China would be interested in hearing what you have to say on the matter.

What the...

 

[oldbadger]

Do you actually believe this?

Perhaps the police over there in China would be interested in hearing what you have to say on the matter.

That reads as a bit aggressive?

I hope that Tibet will get its freedom someday, and that the Dalai Lama will be able to return...

How about you?

 

[F0uad]

I would call the economic structure "improving" relative to where it was a few decades ago.
They have a booming economy, but it is riddled with dysfunctionality, eg, piracy, poor product quality, gov corruption.
I don't criticize them for this, since to transition from what they were to what they will be is a difficult process.

Well it did ''increase in %'s'' and top economist do predict that there will be a huge amount of people living in the middle-class after a couple of years. I think it will be the new America but Asian hopefully not that forceful and narrow-minded .

It depends on which aspects of the products i mean computers, telephones, televisions and even many clothing designs come from China.

 

[BirdseyeSwordfish]

That reads as a bit aggressive?

I hope that Tibet will get its freedom someday, and that the Dalai Lama will be able to return...

How about you?

I suppose in theory I do, but I am a non-interventionist. If the Tibetans could mount a significant resistance to the Chinese, then I'm all for it.

One thing I dislike, however, is the hypocrisy of both liberals and neo-cons when it comes to Tibet. They'd never stand for the Pope or any representatives of the Vatican having a role in European politics, and they don't seem to be too keen on the Ayatollah's Iran. That said, they seem to be totally fine with a Lamaist theocrat like the Dalai Lama.

 

[PassionFruit53]

I suppose in theory I do, but I am a non-interventionist. If the Tibetans could mount a significant resistance to the Chinese, then I'm all for it.

One thing I dislike, however, is the hypocrisy of both liberals and neo-cons when it comes to Tibet. They'd never stand for the Pope or any representatives of the Vatican having a role in European politics, and they don't seem to be too keen on the Ayatollah's Iran. That said, they seem to be totally fine with a Lamaist theocrat like the Dalai Lama.

The fact that you said something like this shows you didn't really understand what happened in Tibet.

Please do some research on the topic. If I can do it sitting in China, then you should be able to do it if you are a Westerner with unfiltered access to many books, websites, lectures and everything else. Have an open mind and don't just believe what others told you.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

The fact that you said something like this shows you didn't really understand what happened in Tibet.

Please do some research on the topic. If I can do it sitting in China, then you should be able to do it if you are a Westerner with unfiltered access to many books, websites, lectures and everything else. Have an open mind and don't just believe what others told you.

This perspective is pretty rare with the people from China that I've talked with in the past. Typically the DL is viewed with a lot of suspicion and hostility for what they think he did to his own people.

 

[PassionFruit53]

This perspective is pretty rare with the people from China that I've talked with in the past. Typically the DL is viewed with a lot of suspicion and hostility for what they think he did to his own people.

Well I used to think like most Chinese, that His Holiness Dalai Lama is a bad person, but after a while, since I got to know people from outside China my attitude changed. Actually many of the so-called "evidence" about the Dalai Lama was fabricated as part of CCP's demonization propaganda. Even the fact there was torture in Tibet was not because of Tibetan Buddhist ideals, but rather introduced only due to the Chinese Qing army's influence as "ling zi" and forced the Tibetan populace to be frightened.

Later on during 1930's era, a "Ma family" muslim army left Tibetan skeletons scattered over a wide area, and the Labrang monastery was decorated with decapitated Tibetan heads and this was even used as a propaganda as well to say Tibetans were "brutal" with the truth never saying that it is done by a muslim-chinese.

In fact since 7th century, death penalty was also illegal in Tibet.

 

[Alex_G]

Hello dear friends

What are your opinion of China in general? The culture? Its government?

Do you think China and America can be friend in the future?

I would like to hear opinions of all people from around the world. Please discuss with me and I will respond with my best efforts

I’m somewhat worried/ apprehensive of China, especially as the emerging superpower that it is. Certain cultural pressures and skews that seem to exist there give me pause for thought. Things like the cultural pressures and resulting outcome that occurred with the one child policy is pretty shocking. The degree of censorship of information and manipulation in human rights issues is another problematic aspect. The relationship and political control exercised over Tibetan monks exemplifies one such thing that’s far less than admirable in my eyes. I don’t know how open or tolerant China is to other views and cultures, i got the impression that it’s sort of cracking down on things like freedom of religion and freedom of information through censorship, and promoting a sort of controlled nationalism that makes me uneasy.

I also worry about the environmental impact its having, and to what degree it registers as a priority. But saying that, I’m pretty sure China is quite good at investing in renewable energy. Also certain continued cultural practices like the shark fin soup industry really troubles me re environment and the ethical treatment of animals.

But in light of such negatives that give me pause today, China is very interesting country, and has a wealth of history, architecture and culture along with an awesome range of landscapes, climate variety and impressive biodiversity. I’ve never personally been to China, but will do at some point hopefully.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Well I used to think like most Chinese, that His Holiness Dalai Lama is a bad person, but after a while, since I got to know people from outside China my attitude changed. Actually many of the so-called "evidence" about the Dalai Lama was fabricated as part of CCP's demonization propaganda. Even the fact there was torture in Tibet was not because of Tibetan Buddhist ideals, but rather introduced only due to the Chinese Qing army's influence as "ling zi" and forced the Tibetan populace to be frightened.

Later on during 1930's era, a "Ma family" muslim army left Tibetan skeletons scattered over a wide area, and the Labrang monastery was decorated with decapitated Tibetan heads and this was even used as a propaganda as well to say Tibetans were "brutal" with the truth never saying that it is done by a muslim-chinese.

In fact since 7th century, death penalty was also illegal in Tibet.

So please tell us what living in China is like for you right now. What do you do, how do you live as well as what kind of education you have received.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Well I used to think like most Chinese, that His Holiness Dalai Lama is a bad person, but after a while, since I got to know people from outside China my attitude changed. Actually many of the so-called "evidence" about the Dalai Lama was fabricated as part of CCP's demonization propaganda. Even the fact there was torture in Tibet was not because of Tibetan Buddhist ideals, but rather introduced only due to the Chinese Qing army's influence as "ling zi" and forced the Tibetan populace to be frightened.

I'm well aware of propaganda that exists, but Tibet wasn't a shangri-la before the Chinese occupation. They operated under a feudal system that the DL himself admits to propagating before his escape and living in exile.

Later on during 1930's era, a "Ma family" muslim army left Tibetan skeletons scattered over a wide area, and the Labrang monastery was decorated with decapitated Tibetan heads and this was even used as a propaganda as well to say Tibetans were "brutal" with the truth never saying that it is done by a muslim-chinese.

Again, I'm well aware of the propaganda utilized.

In fact since 7th century, death penalty was also illegal in Tibet.

That is simply not true. The death penalty was banned during the reign of the 13th Dalai Lama.

Are you a native of China and Beijing? I have to admit, this is an incredibly rare attitude posted by a Chinese citizen concerning the position of Tibet.

 

[oldbadger]

Well I used to think like most Chinese, that His Holiness Dalai Lama is a bad person, but after a while, since I got to know people from outside China my attitude changed. Actually many of the so-called "evidence" about the Dalai Lama was fabricated as part of CCP's demonization propaganda. Even the fact there was torture in Tibet was not because of Tibetan Buddhist ideals, but rather introduced only due to the Chinese Qing army's influence as "ling zi" and forced the Tibetan populace to be frightened.

Later on during 1930's era, a "Ma family" muslim army left Tibetan skeletons scattered over a wide area, and the Labrang monastery was decorated with decapitated Tibetan heads and this was even used as a propaganda as well to say Tibetans were "brutal" with the truth never saying that it is done by a muslim-chinese.

In fact since 7th century, death penalty was also illegal in Tibet.

Thanks for that.........

If you truly are based in Beijing, then I believe that you are most brave to be so candid about so many issues.

Question:- How many crimes carry the sentence of 'death' or 'execution' in China at this time?

 

[PassionFruit53]

So please tell us what living in China is like for you right now. What do you do, how do you live as well as what kind of education you have received.

I completed my education through my master's degree. My speciality in the university college major is international commerice. Now, I am in a company to do the advertising. My father is a businessman who owns his own small business, and my mother used to work in the vehicles registrar as a clerk in the office, but now she helps my father. I'm sorry, but I do not want to get more details than that. As you know sometimes people would get arrested if they can find out who you are. Hope you will understand

I still live with my mother and my father because it is best for our financial situation. However I'd like to move out someday.

Life in China is not always easy especially in the area that we cannot always say what we think especially to other Chinese. And another thing is that the pollution here in Beijing is very bad, to go out hurts to breathe and many people had to wear gas masks to prvent lung damage.

What else would you want to know about life in China, especially Beijing?

I'm well aware of propaganda that exists, but Tibet wasn't a shangri-la before the Chinese occupation. They operated under a feudal system that the DL himself admits to propagating before his escape and living in exile.

No but it was not the "hell on earth" from Chinese propaganda either. I think most people was poor in terms of money, but they were satisfied. Of course, every country has very rich men, but I do not think the "feudal system" or "serfdom" is the correct description.

That is simply not true. The death penalty was banned during the reign of the 13th Dalai Lama.

From what I read it was abolished in the 7th century, but when Mongols invaded under Mongol law they allowed the death penalty then, when the Mongols left then it was taken back out. When Qing invaded then the Qing occupiers also re-established it. then the 13th dalai lama removed it, of course when China invaded in 1950 they put it back in.

Are you a native of China and Beijing? I have to admit, this is an incredibly rare attitude posted by a Chinese citizen concerning the position of Tibet.

Yes I come from China.

For me I followed the blog of one Tibetan writer, Woser who raised some human rights issues in Tibet. Unfortunately she wrote everything in Chinese so I couldn't share it with you.

Then I also read news of western sources because I wanted to understand the other side, eventually I started to understand what was right and wrong! I can no longer support the atrocities, genocide and killing in Tibet.

Because Chinese army shot each monk, and the oppressers become emboldened to continue their oppression.

I am sure you probably read this poem:

First they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.​

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Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.​

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Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.​

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Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.​

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And certainly right now they are coming for the Tibetans.

Question:- How many crimes carry the sentence of 'death' or 'execution' in China at this time?

Perhaps on official notice, 50 to 60. But when things became "inconvenient" accident would happen even if a person did nothing illegal.

 

[Pastek]

Hello dear friends

What are your opinion of China in general? The culture? Its government?

I would like to hear opinions of all people from around the world. Please discuss with me and I will respond with my best efforts

Well, i don't know very much China and its culture. But i wish i can visit this country one day.
I have family member who lived there some months/years and they really like it.

About the governement i don't know what to say, i just know it's a communist country. That many chinese artists try to express their feelings like Ai Wei Wei who was sent in jail if i'm not mistaken.
I like the "conscient art" that emerge from China.

What i don't like about China is the fact that sometimes they are not fair with african people. I saw many of them making deals with corrupt african politicians, and those who suffer from this are the african population.

So, i think it's a good thing to see Chinese coming in Africa, but i hope they will not act like did the europeans.