Discussion: Atheism and the Body, Ideas as Cancer or Perception Precedes Evidence

[Riders]

Eaten up oh that cancer that people see, where the cancerous defend you because they cannot help but spread the cancer. Beautiful day. Beautiful day. All but you that see.

Calling people of other religions cancers? How lovely and Christ like of you.

 

[Searching1981]

Somethings you might find interesting.
Atman and Brahman in the Upanisads

How are these Great Beings explained?

I tell you friend, Yama and I are close friends. Listen to Santan IV and Santana writes a beautiful song to Yama there, knowing the journeys we took together; knowing he and I through laughter foughtt the monsters which are white and very much in America. All Hail Yama for I tell you if you had Faith you would be better than any one on Earth, just listen to Santana IV an ode to Yama. I cannot explain but he is distraught at the wrong I have done to you, and I love him more than anyone on the Earth.

Always know music is magic and no white monster knows that. I love you, but be Hindu with pride for the Hindus fought and solved many problems and if there is a New Heave and Earth with no Sea in between it is because of you.

Cheers....with love.

 

[Riders]

Eaten up oh that cancer that people see, where the cancerous defend you because they cannot help but spread the cancer. Beautiful day. Beautiful day. All but you that see.

Calling people of other religions cancers? How lovely and Christ like of you.

 

[Searching1981]

Calling people of other religions cancers? How lovely and Christ like of you.

I'm Old Testament. The Faithful fighting the Faithless because they have no hope but to try to destroy us. That is the truth of all the war in the Old Testament. I'm Old Testament with Pride, because Christ means nothing to people like you. I honor Jesus Christ, but I cannot be like him. I can only be like Moses and King David because that is the time we live in. I love it, hunt me like a Partridge and you will get a Wolf like King David said. I am not Jesus Christ.

Cheers!

 

[Twilight Hue]

I'm Old Testament. The Faithful fighting the Faithless because they have no hope but to try to destroy us. That is the truth of all the war in the Old Testament. I'm Old Testament with Pride, because Christ means nothing to people like you. I honor Jesus Christ, but I cannot be like him. I can only be like Moses and King David because that is the time we live in. I love it, hunt me like a Partridge and you will get a Wolf like King David said. I am not Jesus Christ.

Cheers!

Oh yea. Donning the armor of God and all that. Fighting principalities and powers etc.

I used to say and think stuff like that once.

 

[osgart]

I am an atheist who knows he has a soul.

how it got there haven't a clue.

there must be some sort of primitive spiritual reality that defies physics.

I believe in a higher power .

but God isn't evident and it's a ludicrous idea.

if there are eternal beings they don't exist in our existence.

a higher intelligence that manipulates universes why not?

 

[Nakosis]

Not only that But I get anything and everything I need by feeling all my senses and being awake to my surroundings and at one with myself and at one with Mother nature when I meditate and there are many ATheists who meditate and are Zen Buddhists. SO they experience all enlightenment and being at peace and one with ourselves.

Certainly, in Buddhism a belief is God is not necessary for enlightenment.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I want to limit this discussion among Atheists and Abrahamic (Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mormons). But that is just a preference, anyone can reply.

Now, what if I told you the problem of Atheism wasn't a Problem of Evidence or Logic but was a problem of body? What do I mean by that? I tell you a truth, Atheists when confronted with ideas which contradict their world view feel as if they are becoming empty or being eaten away by a cancer. They literally have a physical reaction when confronted with ideas and because they do not have perspective, they think everyone's body is like theirs. It is not.

Let me describe to them what my body feels like and what the body of sincere theists feel like (insincere theists feel what Atheists feel as well, this is the opposite side of the same coin). I feel my soul all over my body with every breath, I am more than my soul as I feel it grow and contract. My soul is not in my brain or my heart, rather it is all over growing and contracting with every breath. When I do good, or meet someone who has taught me something, or when I learn and explore something...I feel this soul grow and become bigger and stronger. That is why I always say, which I feel in my heart, "I love you (spiritually," because you have helped me immensely with your sincerity.

So, when I read a Holy Book (The Bible, The Quran, the Book of Mormon, Sutras, Gitas) I literally feel this soul inside me leap up with joy; it's not an emotion, it is a physical feeling and that physical feeling makes me feel joy. Or when I meet a wise man, a musician, an artist, a writer or painter who is filled with the Holiness of exploration even if their ideas aren't my own this soul grows. In other words, a changing of ideas, especially new and novel ones is always a time of celebration.

Now, let us go back to the Atheist. They don't feel this. When confronted with an idea they literally feel anxious, and they feel they are becoming nothing, and they feel that a cancer has struck them and their body is being eaten away. The problem cannot be fixed, it is how they have been all their lives and that is all they know.

Then going further when they see a miracle they assume they have gone mad, they are crazy. Why? Because that body feels like they are being eaten away, so it is maddening. Hence, when they overreact to a thought, the rest of us with better bodies know is true, it is because they want to violently destroy that which gives them cancer. They literally feel they are dying, so in their logic what would be wrong with fighting back.

Then there is sex which they do not understand. They see it as status, procreation, as fertility; they see it in the bases terms. And when we say, "sex is sacred to us with our soulmates don't debase it." They think we are prudes. But when we have sex, we feel our soul meld with another person of the opposite gender. We feel something outside of our body, for baseless sex is just five second thrill and they keep chasing that five seconds because that is the only time the cancer goes away. Where for us, it is a fun, joyful moment of intimacy where we are uplifted to greater awareness.

Don't think you can convince and Atheist, their problem is not their mind it is their body. Just know what you experience as normal is not what they experience as normal. And look at all their reactions after this.

Simple question:

How many atheists have you sat down with, personally, and sincerely inquired about their beliefs, experiences or opinions?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Don't think you can convince and Atheist, their problem is not their mind it is their body. Just know what you experience as normal is not what they experience as normal. And look at all their reactions after this.

Project much?

 

[viole]

I want to limit this discussion among Atheists and Abrahamic (Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mormons). But that is just a preference, anyone can reply.

I thought Mormons were Christians, too.

Now, what if I told you the problem of Atheism wasn't a Problem of Evidence or Logic but was a problem of body? What do I mean by that? I tell you a truth, Atheists when confronted with ideas which contradict their world view feel as if they are becoming empty or being eaten away by a cancer. They literally have a physical reaction when confronted with ideas and because they do not have perspective, they think everyone's body is like theirs. It is not.

Everybody has a physical reaction when confronted with ideas. You know, neurons firing and all.

Let me describe to them what my body feels like and what the body of sincere theists feel like (insincere theists feel what Atheists feel as well, this is the opposite side of the same coin). I feel my soul all over my body with every breath, I am more than my soul as I feel it grow and contract. My soul is not in my brain or my heart, rather it is all over growing and contracting with every breath. When I do good, or meet someone who has taught me something, or when I learn and explore something...I feel this soul grow and become bigger and stronger. That is why I always say, which I feel in my heart, "I love you (spiritually," because you have helped me immensely with your sincerity.

I agree that there might different areas activated when you have "spiritual" experiences. You can actually reproduce it easily with chemicals. My soul grows also bigger after the 10th shot of Vodka.

So, when I read a Holy Book (The Bible, The Quran, the Book of Mormon, Sutras, Gitas) I literally feel this soul inside me leap up with joy; it's not an emotion, it is a physical feeling and that physical feeling makes me feel joy. Or when I meet a wise man, a musician, an artist, a writer or painter who is filled with the Holiness of exploration even if their ideas aren't my own this soul grows. In other words, a changing of ideas, especially new and novel ones is always a time of celebration.

So, when you read about God orders to rip pregnant women apart, or dashing children against walls, you feel your soul getting stronger? I wonder what happens if you read the Mein Kampf. It would probably burst like that guy having the final after dinner little mint in Monty Python's "The meaning of life".

Now, let us go back to the Atheist. They don't feel this. When confronted with an idea they literally feel anxious, and they feel they are becoming nothing, and they feel that a cancer has struck them and their body is being eaten away. The problem cannot be fixed, it is how they have been all their lives and that is all they know.

We feel anxious when confronted with an idea? What idea? Are you sure you are not confusing anxiety with hilarity?

Then going further when they see a miracle they assume they have gone mad, they are crazy. Why? Because that body feels like they are being eaten away, so it is maddening. Hence, when they overreact to a thought, the rest of us with better bodies know is true, it is because they want to violently destroy that which gives them cancer. They literally feel they are dying, so in their logic what would be wrong with fighting back.

When they see a miracle? What miracles?

Then there is sex which they do not understand. They see it as status, procreation, as fertility; they see it in the bases terms. And when we say, "sex is sacred to us with our soulmates don't debase it." They think we are prudes. But when we have sex, we feel our soul meld with another person of the opposite gender.

Some feel the same with members of the same sex. Do not forget them. And if you think they do not feel the same: how do you know? Have you tried it?

We feel something outside of our body, for baseless sex is just five second thrill and they keep chasing that five seconds because that is the only time the cancer goes away. Where for us, it is a fun, joyful moment of intimacy where we are uplifted to greater awareness.

Five seconds?

Don't think you can convince and Atheist, their problem is not their mind it is their body. Just know what you experience as normal is not what they experience as normal. And look at all their reactions after this.

My reaction is: LOL

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Very good point. I used to spread this idea on message boards. If Scientist concluded, "the Soul," is real...atheists would clammer on, "Yes, there is a soul but there is no God."

Baseless claim. How do you know? You make the assumption atheists cannot possibly change their mind when sufficient evidence is available. I wonder why.

If you show me evidence of Mickey Mouse, or Mother Goose, I might also reassess my beliefs about MM or MG. I might also start considering the existence of Donald Duck, as a bonus.

It is not the case that we hate the idea of God more than the idea of Mickey Mouse ruling the Universe. It is just the case that presently they have the same evidence and plausibility.

I just don't know how that is logical. It doesn't have to be because if you could feel your Soul the only thing you could conclude is God.

Not necessarily. I can imagine a world pupulated with immaterial souls without a God. At least, I see no immediate logical contradiction. Immateriality does not entail a boss of the immaterial world. But this is only me. Most atheists might not agree with me.

At present, the only confirmed immaterial attribute that souls have, is the evidence of their existence.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Riders]

I just think they may take this down, to me it looks like one big acid LSD trip.I cant understand any of it, shes tripping out on her version of God.

 

[NewGuyOnTheBlock]

Now, what if I told you the problem of Atheism wasn't a Problem of Evidence or Logic but was a problem of body? What do I mean by that? I tell you a truth, Atheists when confronted with ideas which contradict their world view feel as if they are becoming empty or being eaten away by a cancer. They literally have a physical reaction when confronted with ideas and because they do not have perspective, they think everyone's body is like theirs. It is not.

Have you ever been an atheist? If not, how you you claim to know how atheists feel? Me, I have been a theist; quite fanatical, in fact; so I have an idea on how theists feel. When I am confronted with ideas that contradict my worldview, I feel curious and demand evidence. If sufficient evidence is presented, I feel intrigued. Upon further examination of the evidence, if I find the evidence convincing, my worldview changes and I feel humbled as I didn't know everything after all. If the evidence fails scrutiny and fails to convince, I feel somewhat fulfilled as in the process of investigation, I have learned something.

Let me describe to them what my body feels like and what the body of sincere theists feel like (insincere theists feel what Atheists feel as well, this is the opposite side of the same coin). I feel my soul all over my body with every breath, I am more than my soul as I feel it grow and contract. My soul is not in my brain or my heart, rather it is all over growing and contracting with every breath. When I do good, or meet someone who has taught me something, or when I learn and explore something...I feel this soul grow and become bigger and stronger. That is why I always say, which I feel in my heart, "I love you (spiritually," because you have helped me immensely with your sincerity.

There is no greater grace than the affection of a child. This is freely given, sraight from the gut, without preconditions or expectations; other than the anticipation that I will respond in kind. It is so innocently given. When I experience the affection of a child, the innocence in which it is given fills me with a feeling of great responsibility to guard that big tiny heart and this humbles me. I feel .. "blessed". In short, atheists are not devoid of emotion or devoid of the sense of wonder and beauty of our world or the human "heart".

So, when I read a Holy Book (The Bible, The Quran, the Book of Mormon, Sutras, Gitas) I literally feel this soul inside me leap up with joy; it's not an emotion, it is a physical feeling and that physical feeling makes me feel joy. Or when I meet a wise man, a musician, an artist, a writer or painter who is filled with the Holiness of exploration even if their ideas aren't my own this soul grows. In other words, a changing of ideas, especially new and novel ones is always a time of celebration.

We have an emotional reaction to that which we place value. A good quote or a growth in my psychological health provides feelings that are much like you describe.

Now, let us go back to the Atheist. They don't feel this. When confronted with an idea they literally feel anxious, and they feel they are becoming nothing, and they feel that a cancer has struck them and their body is being eaten away. The problem cannot be fixed, it is how they have been all their lives and that is all they know.

The presumptuousness to believe you know what an atheist feels like exceeds arrogance.

Then going further when they see a miracle they assume they have gone mad, they are crazy. Why? Because that body feels like they are being eaten away, so it is maddening. Hence, when they overreact to a thought, the rest of us with better bodies know is true, it is because they want to violently destroy that which gives them cancer. They literally feel they are dying, so in their logic what would be wrong with fighting back.

Wrong.

Then there is sex which they do not understand. They see it as status, procreation, as fertility; they see it in the bases terms. And when we say, "sex is sacred to us with our soulmates don't debase it." They think we are prudes. But when we have sex, we feel our soul meld with another person of the opposite gender. We feel something outside of our body, for baseless sex is just five second thrill and they keep chasing that five seconds because that is the only time the cancer goes away. Where for us, it is a fun, joyful moment of intimacy where we are uplifted to greater awareness.

The value that each individual places on sex is exactly that: Individual. Your paragraph here reeks of the presupposition that atheists are, by nature, immoral and empty people. You haven't known many atheists in your life, it seems.

Don't think you can convince and Atheist, their problem is not their mind it is their body. Just know what you experience as normal is not what they experience as normal. And look at all their reactions after this.

You have yet to convince me that the "problems" you assert even exist to being with. Before you can convince me of the root of the problem, you must first convince me that a problem exists.

 

[ChristineM]

Why is it that when you question someone's faith, you are attacking them but if they question your atheism, they are defending morality?

I want to limit this discussion among Atheists and Abrahamic (Jews, Christians, Muslims, Mormons). But that is just a preference, anyone can reply.

Now, what if I told you the problem of Atheism wasn't a Problem of Evidence or Logic but was a problem of body? What do I mean by that? I tell you a truth, Atheists when confronted with ideas which contradict their world view feel as if they are becoming empty or being eaten away by a cancer. They literally have a physical reaction when confronted with ideas and because they do not have perspective, they think everyone's body is like theirs. It is not.

Let me describe to them what my body feels like and what the body of sincere theists feel like (insincere theists feel what Atheists feel as well, this is the opposite side of the same coin). I feel my soul all over my body with every breath, I am more than my soul as I feel it grow and contract. My soul is not in my brain or my heart, rather it is all over growing and contracting with every breath. When I do good, or meet someone who has taught me something, or when I learn and explore something...I feel this soul grow and become bigger and stronger. That is why I always say, which I feel in my heart, "I love you (spiritually," because you have helped me immensely with your sincerity.

So, when I read a Holy Book (The Bible, The Quran, the Book of Mormon, Sutras, Gitas) I literally feel this soul inside me leap up with joy; it's not an emotion, it is a physical feeling and that physical feeling makes me feel joy. Or when I meet a wise man, a musician, an artist, a writer or painter who is filled with the Holiness of exploration even if their ideas aren't my own this soul grows. In other words, a changing of ideas, especially new and novel ones is always a time of celebration.

Now, let us go back to the Atheist. They don't feel this. When confronted with an idea they literally feel anxious, and they feel they are becoming nothing, and they feel that a cancer has struck them and their body is being eaten away. The problem cannot be fixed, it is how they have been all their lives and that is all they know.

Then going further when they see a miracle they assume they have gone mad, they are crazy. Why? Because that body feels like they are being eaten away, so it is maddening. Hence, when they overreact to a thought, the rest of us with better bodies know is true, it is because they want to violently destroy that which gives them cancer. They literally feel they are dying, so in their logic what would be wrong with fighting back.

Then there is sex which they do not understand. They see it as status, procreation, as fertility; they see it in the bases terms. And when we say, "sex is sacred to us with our soulmates don't debase it." They think we are prudes. But when we have sex, we feel our soul meld with another person of the opposite gender. We feel something outside of our body, for baseless sex is just five second thrill and they keep chasing that five seconds because that is the only time the cancer goes away. Where for us, it is a fun, joyful moment of intimacy where we are uplifted to greater awareness.

Don't think you can convince and Atheist, their problem is not their mind it is their body. Just know what you experience as normal is not what they experience as normal. And look at all their reactions after this.

Seems you don't know much about atheism and so make up all sorts of nonsense to justify your ignorance and hatred. How sad

 

[SomeRandom]

I'm Old Testament. The Faithful fighting the Faithless because they have no hope but to try to destroy us. That is the truth of all the war in the Old Testament. I'm Old Testament with Pride, because Christ means nothing to people like you. I honor Jesus Christ, but I cannot be like him. I can only be like Moses and King David because that is the time we live in. I love it, hunt me like a Partridge and you will get a Wolf like King David said. I am not Jesus Christ.

Cheers!

Martyr complex much?
You so desperately want to be crucified like Jesus, but the truth is that only the staunch anti theists (not to be confused with average atheists) really engage that harshly with believers. And even then it's usually only in the form of intellectual debates, they don't seem to care that much otherwise.
So you fashion yourself as some sort of warrior for Lord Jesus, even though you push more people away from the message of Jesus Christ. Because your faith, however sincere, manifests itself as nothing but ignorance, bigotry and zealotry. Jesus didn't preach like a warrior, he healed the sick and mingled with the sinners. But you seem to take your cues from people, rather than live in the spirit of Jesus' teachings. Just an observation, mind you. Also Pride is a deadly sin, just saying.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Eaten up oh that cancer that people see, where the cancerous defend you because they cannot help but spread the cancer. Beautiful day. Beautiful day. All but you that see.

So, can I ask where you where this sort of post comes from? Do you believe that God is directing your words? 'Cause if He is, he's doing a terrible job. Case in point (I just KNOW you'll remember this gem):

What Do Theists, Atheists Think of Big Time Atheist Pen Jillette's Conversion to Christianity?

 

[shunyadragon]

Just let me clarify further. I am not playing a game or making things up, I am sincere and authentic.

Being sincere and authentic does not help the problem of stereotyping atheists and 'knowing' what they are thinking, feeling and believing concerning theism.

This is not a coherent argument. You have too many problems facing the inconsistency and mythical origins of many of the doctrines and dogmas of the Roman Church problems without throwing stones from a glass house.