Discussions on Islamic Heaven

[arthra]

They are not things of this world…so “hur’in” are not beautiful women in this life. “These are heavenly blessings…”


Hadith Qudsi 37:

On the authority of Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), who said that the
Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said: Allah said:

“I have prepared for My righteous servants what no eye has seen and no ear has heard, not has
it occurred to human heart. Thus recite if you wish (1): And no soul knows what joy for them
(the inhabitants of Paradise) has been kept hidden (Quran Chapter 32 Verse 17).”

(Hadith, Hadith Qudsi)

“No soul knoweth what is kept hid for them of joy, as a reward for what they used to do.”

- Surih 32:17

Muhammad Asad has noted:

“What is kept hidden for them (by way) of a joy of the eyes”, i.e., of blissful delights , irrespective of whether seen, heard or felt. The expression “what is kept hidden for them” clearly alludes to the unknowable – and therefore, only allegorical describable – quality of life in the hereafter.

- p. 635

Also read what is described as a “houri” in the Hadith below:

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 53:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds
good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to
come back to this world even if he were given
the whole world and whatever is in it, except the
martyr who, on seeing the superiority of
martyrdom, would like to come back to the
world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)."

Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, "A single
endeavor (of fighting) in Allah's Cause in the
afternoon or in the forenoon is better than all the
world and whatever is in it. A place in Paradise
as small as the bow or lash of one of you is
better than all the world and whatever is in it.

And if a houri from Paradise appeared to the
people of the earth, she would fill the space
between Heaven and the Earth with light and
pleasant scent and her head cover is better than
the world and whatever is in it."

 

[Vultar]

Although Heaven in Islam is defined minimally in description, only some of its attributes have been hinted at in the Quran; the attributes we all desire in this world as well, like beautiful spouses, companions, rare delicious eatables , countless servants, spacious houses and etc.

So... who gets to be one of the countless servents for someone in heaven? It doesn't sound like they are getting what they want....

This doesn't sound at all logical.... just empty promises to get people to follow....

 

[Gharib]

Read this Robo:

Some Questions About the Hereafter - Muslim Belief - counsels - OnIslam.net

 

[Starsoul]

So... who gets to be one of the countless servents for someone in heaven? It doesn't sound like are getting what they want....

This doesn't sound at all logical.... just empty promises to get people to follow....

And your point is, that people are dumb enough to follow something just on mere promises? do not diss humanity please.

No amount of proclamation regarding rewards at the end can get humans to follow a doctrine forever; if you claim wisdom, or, are human enough to reason with that truth- if the truth doesn't sit well with our psyche, senses , logic and spirituality, we'll easily get tired of it will give it all up.

We don't follow the truth because it gets you rewards, we follow the truth because that is what is rewarding; the ability and courage to follow the truth.

 

[beerisit]

About wives feeling jealousy, there will be no jealousy in heaven (our hearts will be purified from all these feelings). Also men and women will have whatever they desire. And to quote a meaning of a hadith here, the righteous wife of a man will be superior to the rest of the women in heaven, she will be beautified more, and made more valuable since she has faced the trials and temptations of this earth and came out victorious, whereas the women of heaven, though also beautiful and sweet, have not faced temptation on Earth.

How did these "other women" get to heaven? Just born there were they?

The whole idea of heaven may seem odd to a person who has not had a life of struggle and good character, and who's enjoyed every prohibited thing of this world (women, wine, sinning and etc) but near death and in extreme grief and difficulty, all people desire heaven and want some sort of compensation for the difficulties that they go through.

Rather a very large claim, care to back it up?

The efforts of this life seem useless if one knows he is not ever getting up again; and his existence was just a one time wonder with no reward or compensation for what he went through in this world. Good if you've had everything perfect in this world, but some news for you; it isn't perfect for everybody out there in this world, you can skip heaven if it sounds so odd to you, nobody is going to force you into it.

Some news for you, you have no understanding at all of what people who don't believe in any of the millions of gods feel about the usefulness of their lives. They may be quite justified in believing that a life spent trying for another life may be useless, instead of experiencing all of the joys available in this one.

(P.s I've always been a muslim and I'm rather amazed how I've never heard of 72 virgins and all some people seem to focus on in islam is them. Cant say if thats all people want in heaven, but what most people would want, is to see the Creator and talk to him, to meet all their forefather, earlier generations, the Prophets, a whole lot of people that we would like to meet.

Then I suggest you don't read from eselam's link in post# 23
Some Questions About the Hereafter - Muslim Belief - counsels - OnIslam.net

 

[Draupadi]

It seems that the heavenly rewards for the tests on Earth are reserved for the men. Women gets only one husband here and there too. Don't tell me that they will be superior to the houris is a reward. Even the men will be superior to the houris, so why are the women getting the short end of the stick AS USUAL?

 

[gnostic]

The whole 72 virgins for martyrs, is nothing more than a sick fantasy of patriarchal sexist adolescent-minded pedophiles.

If virginity means "purity", then would you really defile something that is "pure"?

And if it is true, then this god is nothing more than a sick-minded pimp or sex-slave trader. Certainly not worthy to be worshipped.

 

[viole]

There are things that aren't allowed here but they will be possible in heaven such as wine drinking because in heaven you don't have a physical body therefore not can be effected by its effect.

The obvious question is: what if I want to get drunk?

If in Heaven you can have everything you want, then it should be possible to get drunk if I want.

Will I (in the unlikely event that i will go to any Heaven) get a provisional body so that I can get drunk?

If not, then it should be possible to get drunk while in spiritual form, which would contradict your assumption that we can't.

By the way: what does it mean "drinking" when you are a disembodied spirit?

Is the wine spiritual too? Or will just fall through my non physical spirit to splash on the floor (assuming there is gravity in Heaven)?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Sabour]

Good day everyone,

I would like to initiate a discussion on Islamic heaven. There seems to be a lot of confusion surrounding this. This thread may ride roughshod over many of our sensibilities but I do not think there is anyway around this because of the nature of the subject itself.

Topics for discussion are:

(1)Do Muslim men get rewarded with 72 female virgins? The reason I ask is that there seems to be some confusion whether the 72 entities referred to are virgins or raisins.

(2)What do Muslim women get in heaven?

(3)Muslim men are allowed to marry up to four wives here on earth. Now, given normal sexual relationships between husbands and wives, I assume that the 72 female virgins that are provided as reward to Muslim men will not be one of the four wives ( if you know what I mean ;-) ). Given this, will not the four wives feel jealous seeing their earthly husband get intimate with 72 other women?

(4)Is it okay for a Muslim man to have sexual relationship with 72 women here on earth? If it is not, then why is it allowed in heaven?

(5)Assume a male child dies in childbirth itself. The Islamic belief is that every child (regardless of faith) goes to heaven. Now, is this child also provided with 72 virgins? What will the poor child know and do in heaven with this reward?

Again, please leave this thread alone if it affects your sensibilities. However, as I mentioned, that is the nature of the beast - so there is no way I can see to avoid such issues.

Hold on there.

I asked a first question and than took it as a fact before getting an answer.

How about getting an answer from an atheist and not a muslim ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrG8ooymBKA

 

[Sha'irullah]

Good day everyone,

I would like to initiate a discussion on Islamic heaven. There seems to be a lot of confusion surrounding this. This thread may ride roughshod over many of our sensibilities but I do not think there is anyway around this because of the nature of the subject itself.

Topics for discussion are:

(1)Do Muslim men get rewarded with 72 female virgins? The reason I ask is that there seems to be some confusion whether the 72 entities referred to are virgins or raisins.

They get rewarded with an infintie amount of houri. Houri are young virgin girls who have swelled breasts and pearl skin and are so obedient they never leave your plot of land in Jannah.

(2)What do Muslim women get in heaven?

No idea to be honest. I never liked this part even when I was a Muhammadian because I had no care for women.

(3)Muslim men are allowed to marry up to four wives here on earth. Now, given normal sexual relationships between husbands and wives, I assume that the 72 female virgins that are provided as reward to Muslim men will not be one of the four wives ( if you know what I mean ;-) ). Given this, will not the four wives feel jealous seeing their earthly husband get intimate with 72 other women?

Muhammadians will have the sexual potency of Muhammad and be capable of living life in Jannah as if it was one long orgasm. I believe it was al-Ghazali who came up with this metaphor.

(4)Is it okay for a Muslim man to have sexual relationship with 72 women here on earth? If it is not, then why is it allowed in heaven?

Allah has not ordained it.

(5)Assume a male child dies in childbirth itself. The Islamic belief is that every child (regardless of faith) goes to heaven. Now, is this child also provided with 72 virgins? What will the poor child know and do in heaven with this reward?

No idea

Again, please leave this thread alone if it affects your sensibilities. However, as I mentioned, that is the nature of the beast - so there is no way I can see to avoid such issues.