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Divination Methods

What methods of Divination do you or have you used?


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Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
lilithu said:
One of the more interesting arguments that Anton LaVey made in "The Satanic Bible" is that if you really want to understand a person, hand-writing analysis made a lot more sense than looking at the affects of massive planets that are hundreds of thousands to millions of miles away. Made sense to me.
They're really not so different. In hand-writing analysis you examine symbols on a page, right? In astrology you don't actually look at "massive planets that are hundreds of thousands to millions of miles away" nor their physical effects on us (i.e. which are...?); instead, you examine a horoscope chart --in other words, symbols... on a page.
 

yuvgotmel

Well-Known Member
I found this today. ...Here is a bit about Cledonomancy from Kabbalistic teachings:

“When you train yourself to hear the voice of God in everything, you attain the quintessence of the human spirit. Usually the mind conceals the divine thoroughly by imaging that there is a separate mental power that constructs the mental images. But by training yourself to hear the voice of God in everything, the voice reveals itself to your mind as well. Then right in the mind, you discover revelation.”

“The Essential Kabbalah: The Heart of Jewish Mysticism” by Daniel C. Matt, page 125
 

lilithu

The Devil's Advocate
Willamena said:
They're really not so different. In hand-writing analysis you examine symbols on a page, right? In astrology you don't actually look at "massive planets that are hundreds of thousands to millions of miles away" nor their physical effects on us (i.e. which are...?); instead, you examine a horoscope chart --in other words, symbols... on a page.
In handwriting analysis, the symbols that you're analyzing were created directly by the person that you're trying to better understand.
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
lilithu said:
In handwriting analysis, the symbols that you're analyzing were created directly by the person that you're trying to better understand.
Good point. On the other hand, there are no symbols that are "symbols" that we don't create.
 

yuvgotmel

Well-Known Member
These are a couple of example of Cledonomancy in Homer's "Odyssey." Cledonomancy is also a branch of Augrey.
“…As she spoke Telemachus sneezed so loudly that the whole house
resounded with it.
Penelope laughed when she heard this, and
said to Eumaeus, ‘Go and call the stranger; did you not hear
how my son sneezed just as I was speaking? This can only mean
that all the suitors are going to be killed, and that not one
of them shall escape. Furthermore I say, and lay my saying
to your heart: if I am satisfied that the stranger is speaking
the truth I shall give him a shirt and cloak of good wear.’…”

~~ “The Odyssey” Book XVII


On this the day broke, but Ulysses heard the sound of her weeping,
and it puzzled him, for it seemed as though she already knew him
and was by his side. Then he gathered up the cloak and the fleeces
on which he had lain, and set them on a seat in the cloister, but
he took the bullock's hide out into the open. He lifted up his hands
to heaven, and prayed, saying "Father Jove, since you have seen
fit to bring me over land and sea to my own home after all the
afflictions you have laid upon me, give me a sign out of the mouth
of some one or other of those who are now waking within the house,
and let me have another sign of some kind from outside."
Thus did he pray. Jove heard his prayer and forthwith thundered
high up among […]the splendour of Olympus, and Ulysses was glad
when he heard it. At the same time within the house, a miller-woman
from hard by in the mill room lifted up her voice and gave him
another sign. There were twelve miller-women whose business it
was to grind wheat and barley which are the staff of life. The
others had ground their task and had gone to take their rest,
but this one had not yet finished, for she was not so strong as
they were, and when she heard the thunder she stopped grinding
and gave the sign to her master. "Father Jove," said she, "you
who rule over heaven and earth, you have thundered from a clear
sky without so much as a cloud in it, and this means something
for somebody; grant the prayer, then, of me your poor servant
who calls upon you, and let this be the very last day that the
suitors dine in the house of Ulysses. They have worn me out with
the labour of grinding meal for them, and I hope they may never
have another dinner anywhere at all."
Ulysses was glad when he heard
the omens conveyed to him by the woman's speech, and by the
thunder, for he knew they meant that he should avenge himself on
the suitors.


~~ “The Odyssey” Book XX


Meanwhile the suitors were hatching a plot to murder Telemachus:
but a bird flew near them on their left hand- an eagle with a
dove in its talons. On this Amphinomus said, "My friends, this
plot of ours to murder Telemachus will not succeed; let us go
to dinner instead."

~~ “The Odyssey” Book XX
 

Schwarzweg

Ullr, Nebet-Het,Wendigowak
These are a couple of example of Cledonomancy in Homer's "Odyssey." Cledonomancy is also a branch of Augrey.
As she spoke Telemachus sneezed so loudly that the whole house
resounded with it.
Penelope laughed when she heard this, and
said to Eumaeus, Go and call the stranger; did you not hear
how my son sneezed just as I was speaking? This can only mean
that all the suitors are going to be killed, and that not one
of them shall escape. Furthermore I say, and lay my saying
to your heart: if I am satisfied that the stranger is speaking
the truth I shall give him a shirt and cloak of good wear.

~~ The Odyssey Book XVII


On this the day broke, but Ulysses heard the sound of her weeping,
and it puzzled him, for it seemed as though she already knew him
and was by his side. Then he gathered up the cloak and the fleeces
on which he had lain, and set them on a seat in the cloister, but
he took the bullock's hide out into the open. He lifted up his hands
to heaven, and prayed, saying "Father Jove, since you have seen
fit to bring me over land and sea to my own home after all the
afflictions you have laid upon me, give me a sign out of the mouth
of some one or other of those who are now waking within the house,
and let me have another sign of some kind from outside."
Thus did he pray. Jove heard his prayer and forthwith thundered
high up among []the splendour of Olympus, and Ulysses was glad
when he heard it. At the same time within the house, a miller-woman
from hard by in the mill room lifted up her voice and gave him
another sign. There were twelve miller-women whose business it
was to grind wheat and barley which are the staff of life. The
others had ground their task and had gone to take their rest,
but this one had not yet finished, for she was not so strong as
they were, and when she heard the thunder she stopped grinding
and gave the sign to her master. "Father Jove," said she, "you
who rule over heaven and earth, you have thundered from a clear
sky without so much as a cloud in it, and this means something
for somebody; grant the prayer, then, of me your poor servant
who calls upon you, and let this be the very last day that the
suitors dine in the house of Ulysses. They have worn me out with
the labour of grinding meal for them, and I hope they may never
have another dinner anywhere at all."
Ulysses was glad when he heard
the omens conveyed to him by the woman's speech, and by the
thunder, for he knew they meant that he should avenge himself on
the suitors.


~~ The Odyssey Book XX


Meanwhile the suitors were hatching a plot to murder Telemachus:
but a bird flew near them on their left hand- an eagle with a
dove in its talons. On this Amphinomus said, "My friends, this
plot of ours to murder Telemachus will not succeed; let us go
to dinner instead."

~~ The Odyssey Book XX
Das germ. Götterorakel
Runen
Zigeunerlenormand
 

Schwarzweg

Ullr, Nebet-Het,Wendigowak
I've used runes with good results, along with various scrying methods.
Hole mir Rat bei den Nornen, um einen Knoten zu lösen . Diese sagen mir dann über Runen, wie es sich
mit der Situation verhält ...........ich sehe viel klarer und kann dann besser entscheiden . Das mache ich aber
NUR dann , wenn sich die Götter nicht klar dazu äußern wollen, oder ich SOFORT die Karte der 3 Nornen
von ihnen bekomme . Ich frage NICHT um Belangloses und ich nehme alles SEHR ernst, weil ich
von ihnen noch NIE abgelehnt oder enttäuscht wurde . Ich kann mich 1000% auf sie verlassen .
Selbst als ich mich eine Zeit lang mit Dämonen beschäftigte, haben sie zu mir gestanden . Ich stehe
deshalb auch ZWISCHEN allem und nach Nachfrage, habe ich von ihnen auch ganz klar die ERLAUBNIS bekommen, sie fragen zu DÜRFEN.
Ich habe diesbezüglich von ihnen auch eine bestimmte Rune bekommen und
bin akzeptiert .
Die Lenormandkarten sind wirklich nur für das Oberflächliche und den allgemeinen Überblick .
Benutze ich selten, aber es sind schöne Karten und ich "sehe" ganz gut .
Dämonenorakel halte ich für sehr schwierig, weil sie so ganz anders als die Götter sind .
Zumindest ICH komme nur sehr schwer mit ihnen in Kontakt , weil sie Rituale lieben und ich einfach zu faul
bin, auszuüben . Ein gut gemachtes eigenes Ritual .................da kann was gehen, aber Orakel ?
Sie sind zu ernst für sowas, und entscheiden auch selbst , ob sie mit einem was zu tun haben wollen oder nicht .
Dämonenorakelkarten verkennen den Ernst der Lage .......nich gut .
Ansonsten einfach austesten was einem liegt, oder wo man sich hingezogen fühlt, dann klappt das auch .
Was einem gefällt ist schonmal nen guter Anfang und das muß nicht immer der TAROT sein .
Gehört dazu ...MUSS aber nicht . Wie s. o. es gibt viele Systeme .
LG
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
Hole mir Rat bei den Nornen, um einen Knoten zu lösen . Diese sagen mir dann über Runen, wie es sich
mit der Situation verhält ...........ich sehe viel klarer und kann dann besser entscheiden . Das mache ich aber
NUR dann , wenn sich die Götter nicht klar dazu äußern wollen, oder ich SOFORT die Karte der 3 Nornen
von ihnen bekomme . Ich frage NICHT um Belangloses und ich nehme alles SEHR ernst, weil ich
von ihnen noch NIE abgelehnt oder enttäuscht wurde . Ich kann mich 1000% auf sie verlassen .
Selbst als ich mich eine Zeit lang mit Dämonen beschäftigte, haben sie zu mir gestanden . Ich stehe
deshalb auch ZWISCHEN allem und nach Nachfrage, habe ich von ihnen auch ganz klar die ERLAUBNIS bekommen, sie fragen zu DÜRFEN.
Ich habe diesbezüglich von ihnen auch eine bestimmte Rune bekommen und
bin akzeptiert .
Die Lenormandkarten sind wirklich nur für das Oberflächliche und den allgemeinen Überblick .
Benutze ich selten, aber es sind schöne Karten und ich "sehe" ganz gut .
Dämonenorakel halte ich für sehr schwierig, weil sie so ganz anders als die Götter sind .
Zumindest ICH komme nur sehr schwer mit ihnen in Kontakt , weil sie Rituale lieben und ich einfach zu faul
bin, auszuüben . Ein gut gemachtes eigenes Ritual .................da kann was gehen, aber Orakel ?
Sie sind zu ernst für sowas, und entscheiden auch selbst , ob sie mit einem was zu tun haben wollen oder nicht .
Dämonenorakelkarten verkennen den Ernst der Lage .......nich gut .
Ansonsten einfach austesten was einem liegt, oder wo man sich hingezogen fühlt, dann klappt das auch .
Was einem gefällt ist schonmal nen guter Anfang und das muß nicht immer der TAROT sein .
Gehört dazu ...MUSS aber nicht . Wie s. o. es gibt viele Systeme .
LG

Thanks for the info! I follow a different path and apply a different philosophy to divination. Essentially, I see it as a useful tool for framing a situation in order to inspire creativity ways of understanding it. Whatever paradigm suits the user, be it gods of a particular pantheon, demons, literature, trees, what have you, will allow good creative insight.
 
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