Divine mission, and why ?

[ChristineES]

What do you think would be the true DIVINE-MISSION of any true divine guru, if it is preasent on this earth ?

Well.. this question is just about the guess of DIVINE-MISSION, and Why ?

I'm not sure. Maybe it is to help others become better people. We can all stand improvement.

 

[Vinayaka]

Fair enough, so what do you see as the biggest difference between the teachings of Jesus and the teachings of Siddhārtha Gautama?

I'm sorry, I haven't studied either. But I've read a little bit about core beliefs. For many Christians, (I could be wrong) Jesus is the ONLY way. There is also the old heaven/hell versus reincarnation. Also karma, and alignment within nature (Buddhist) versus Nature is God's gift to humanity. (Christian) Those are probably all I know. But like I said, I know very little.

So what were Watt's similarities.

 

[Nakosis]

I'm sorry, I haven't studied either. But I've read a little bit about core beliefs. For many Christians, (I could be wrong) Jesus is the ONLY way. There is also the old heaven/hell versus reincarnation. Also karma, and alignment within nature (Buddhist) versus Nature is God's gift to humanity. (Christian) Those are probably all I know. But like I said, I know very little.

So what were Watt's similarities.

I actually haven't watch this video yet. I think it was from one of his early broadcasts. I'll watch it too, but I came across it while I was looking for a good reference for you.

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Alan Watts: Buddhism and Christianity (1960) [full length] - YouTube

 

[Jainarayan]

Because it's well nigh impossible for an average person to figure out the path to heaven/nirvana/enlightment/moksha, etc. by their own thoughts. There are very, very few Buddha-like people that can figure it out by meditating by themselves under a tree.

Gurus work to relieve suffering by pointing the way to light and truth.

Exactly. In a way, some of these discussion forums and other internet sites have performed a guru-like function for me. Without them I do not know how I would have learned what I have. It's not like Mel Bay's Teach Yourself Guitar course. Even then, the right teacher can get you playing better than you could on your own.

 

[Jainarayan]

I'm sorry, I haven't studied either. But I've read a little bit about core beliefs. For many Christians, (I could be wrong) Jesus is the ONLY way. There is also the old heaven/hell versus reincarnation. Also karma, and alignment within nature (Buddhist) versus Nature is God's gift to humanity. (Christian) Those are probably all I know. But like I said, I know very little.

So what were Watt's similarities.

No, you are not wrong.

Probably 99% of Christians believe Jesus is the only way to salvation. But according to Swami Prabhavananda in his book The Sermon on the Mount According to Vedanta, what one reads about Jesus and his sayings doesn't even scratch the surface of what he really meant.

There are only fleeting references to "other lives" throughout the Old and New Testaments. The RCC categorically rejects reincarnation, but from what I remember, there really is nothing rejecting it.

 

[chinu]

I think when God created this particular universe (I've been spaced out, but I can't speak on other universes ) He instilled the physical laws. One of them is entropy, the second law of thermodynamics. Things want to go from orderly to disorderly.

Therefore:

"Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion -- at that time I descend Myself." Bhagavad Gita 4.7

"For the protection of the good, for the destruction of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma, I am born from age to age." Bhagavad Gita 4.8

Because the universe is bound by the second law of thermodynamics, i.e. entropy, God appears again and again to re-establish order. Why did God make such a flaky universe? Creation is His play, His recreation, according to Adi Shankaracharya.

The question is what is divine mission of any divine person if it preasent on this earth ? and why ?

As odion, replied that their mission is to inspire people to be better people, But i replied.. That this cannot continue for ever because their mission will die with them. Otherwise the question is what is divine mission and why ?

Please don't mind that the answer to this question should not contain any evidence from any holy book (i don't say that they are wrong) But because different people have different beliefs and they like their own holy scripts. So the answer should be free from all this.

 

[chinu]

That is why we're here, yes .. for moksha. That is the ultimate goal, but a Guru might offer other insights or help to lead the person towards moksha, even though its not such a direct teaching... like encouraging dharmic behaviors, or as someone eles said, becoming a better person.

The question is not about for what we are here, the question is about for what they are here and why ?

No Satguru would ever force anything.
Your last reply was.. to bring each individual they meet that comes under their care one step closer to moksha.

As you wrote each individual... that's why i said do they forcefully do this to each individual they meet in their life, even if one is not intrested ?

Is this the debate section, or is it just open for discussion?

What do you think, what we are doing here till now ?

 

[chinu]

I think all these "divine" gurus with their "divine" words and "divine " missions should just shut the hell up.

They have done enough damage. They are all charlatans. No human being is on a divine mission.

Nice to meet you, Do you really look like your avatar ?

 

[chinu]

Just in case someone out there thinks such answers can be put in words. Now they know better.

But in your first reply you said.. Unfortunately, no one can be told that. Except indirectly through metaphor and symbol. They have to see it for themselves.

Than why are you telling and making them to understand all this insted that they may understand indirectly through metaphor and symbol ?

Or you are going to start an new thread with a title named: " No one can be told that except these indirect metaphors and symbols "

 

[blackout]

'guru' is not part of my personal vocabulary,
however...
I would see Awakening the Divinity in others
(ie, Awakening others to their Own Divinity)
to be the most Divine 'Mission' one could undertake
in regards to one's divine influence on others.

That said,
I'm pretty sure it's not a good idea to hang your 'mission hats'
on other people's psyches.

 

[chinu]

This is what I was told by a Guru I followed. His mission was to bring people out of the darkness and into the light.

If somebody is going to a dance teacher, surely that person might be knowing that he/she is going to learn dance.

Similarly if somebody is going to a spiritual teacher, surely that person might be knowing that he/she is going to learn how to go out from this darkness into night.

But.. Nakosis firstly you went to a teacher and afterwards you came to that which type to teacher is that.

Thus i don't think that this teacher is telling you his true mission. Just think..

I hope you have not paid any fees.

 

[chinu]

Awakening the Divinity in others.

Even if somebody is not intrested in this ?

 

[chinu]

Divine gurus' mission is to lead people towards the light and truth.

What if somebody is not intrested, or they do this forcefully to everbody they meet, or who come to them ?

 

[chinu]

I'm not sure. Maybe it is to help others become better people. We can all stand improvement.

But this cannot continue for ever, this type of mission will die with their own death. Or the very small quantity of people which has been changed during their life time from bad to good, will again change from good to bad after their death.

As this is not any permanent solution for earth to make it a better place for ever. Thus.. is don't think that this would be the mission.

 

[apophenia]

What do you think would be the true DIVINE-MISSION of any true divine guru, if it is preasent on this earth ?

Well.. this question is just about the guess of DIVINE-MISSION, and Why ?

Do you think there is any such thing (or non-thing !) as a divine guru ?

If a guru is divine, doesn't that mean the guru is god ?

Maybe the guru/god is just entertaining itself ?

What other mission could the divine have ? Serious business ?

What could be serious for god ? Does god have a problem to solve ?

Aaah, but I am just repeating your question !

Why are you asking this question ?

Entertaining yourself ?

Serious business ?

Do you have a mission ?

Do you have a mission for me ? Is it entertaining ? Is it serious ?

So many questions ... I'll have some warm milk and go to bed.

 

[Student of X]

Than why are you telling and making them to understand all this instead that they may understand indirectly through metaphor and symbol?

Because I think it's better for people to try to see it for themselves rather than trying to rely on words. People sometimes get stuck in words and concepts and so forth. It's possible to bypass all that and go directly to seeing it for themselves.

 

[blackout]

Even if somebody is not intrested in this ?

Thus the last line of my quote....

That said,
I'm pretty sure it's not a good idea to hang your 'mission hats'
on other people's psyches.

IMO it's a bad idea to make 'missions'
(or anything else)
of other people, or other people's lives.

If other people prefer not to see themselves as divine,
it's no matter of mine.
I'm certainly not the "you should see yourSelf this way" police.

See yourSelf HOWEVER you want.


(there... now you've just done it....)

 

[chinu]

Do you think there is any such thing (or non-thing !) as a divine guru ?

If a guru is divine, doesn't that mean the guru is god ?

Maybe the guru/god is just entertaining itself ?

What other mission could the divine have ? Serious business ?

What could be serious for god ? Does god have a problem to solve ?

Aaah, but I am just repeating your question !

Why are you asking this question ?

Entertaining yourself ?

Serious business ?

Do you have a mission ?

Do you have a mission for me ? Is it entertaining ? Is it serious ?

So many questions ... I'll have some warm milk and go to bed.

Yes! have some warm milk, go to bed, and take dreams about this thread. Am sure

Because.. So many questions, In your mind.
Can you stop them ?

 

[chinu]

IMO it's a bad idea to make 'missions'
(or anything else)
of other people, or other people's lives.

"To make mission OF other people"
"To make mission FOR other people"

There is lot of difference between these two lines. Its good to make mission for others, and its bad to make mission of others.

And OP is in the expression of "Mission for others" not "Mission of others".

If any govt.. is making any mission to kill the terriosts, Is this Bad ? No because its mission for others.

No problem if you are not intrested in the topic, Nice to meet you and thankyou for responding.

 

[apophenia]

Yes! have some warm milk, go to bed, and take dreams about this thread. Am sure

Because.. So many questions, In your mind.
Can you stop them ?

No, the questions are not in my mind, they are in your thread

:sarcastic:areyoucra

Do you want them to stop ?