Divine Qualities Of Bahá’u’lláh

[TransmutingSoul]

(wow almost did a blow of my morning tea from my nose.)
that maybe the way it works in Baha'u'llah temple . the Disciples of Jesus became stars that give guidance

You are correct in your response. I should have confirmed what I offered not from memory but by reading what Baha'u'llah offered.

In the context noted below the Disciples of Jesus would have been the "sun".

In the original language Baha'u'llah use the word Sun in two different ways and Shoghi Effendi's translations differentiates between the two by way of capitalization. When not capitalized, the term “sun” often refers to leaders of religion. When using the term, “Sun,” the messenger of God is intended.

There are also many meanings and many contexts for Sun, sun, Moon, moon, Stars, stars. In some writings the divines are given the station of "sun" as they reflect the divine Messengers who are the "Sun". One such example by Baha'u'llah.

"That the term “sun” hath been applied to the leaders of religion is due to their lofty position, their fame, and renown. Such are the universally recognized divines of every age, who speak with authority, and whose fame is securely established. If they be in the likeness of the Sun of Truth, they will surely be accounted as the most exalted of all luminaries; otherwise, they are to be recognized as the focal centres of hellish fire." – Baha’u’llah, The Book of Certitude, p. 37.

In this Context Jesus was the "Sun" and the Disciples were the "sun".

In this quote Baha'u'llah gives another apology

"...This is the purpose underlying the symbolic words of the Manifestations of God. . . . Hence, it is clear and manifest that by the words “the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven” is intended the waywardness of the divines, and the annulment of laws firmly established by divine Revelation, all of which, in symbolic language, have been foreshadowed by the Manifestation of God. – Baha’u’llah, The Book of Certitude, p. 41.

So this passage does explain some of the meanings of sun, moon and stars.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

a con artist . there have been many and there will likely be many more.

It does seem that way piggybacking off of other religions

I shouldn't think there would be any since he is a fake.

Comments such as these are a poor reflection on those that offer them.

One could offer why Baha'u'llah is accused of being a con artist, of piggybacking teachings (John 16:14 makes a mockery of that comment) and being a fake, all the while when doing so, consider if the accusations you will come up with, would also have been used against Jesus, or any other Prophet/Messenger.

Jesus said by their fruits you will know them, so please provide the bad fruit of the person of Baha'u'llah.

Jesus said that a true Prophets, prophecies will be realised, so please share what are false prophecies, and be careful, it is early days and some are still unfolding before our vey eyes.

The most important thing is, Jesus said that the True Messengers will testify of him, shew us what Jesus had given to us. Such as John 16:14 "He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

"Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit.

We testify that when He came into the world, He shed the splendor of His glory upon all created things. Through Him the leper recovered from the leprosy of perversity and ignorance. Through Him, the unchaste and wayward were healed. Through His power, born of Almighty God, the eyes of the blind were opened, and the soul of the sinner sanctified… We bear witness that through the power of the Word of God every leper was cleansed, every sickness was healed, every human infirmity was banished. He it is Who purified the world. Blessed is the man who, with a face beaming with light, hath turned towards Him." Baha’u’llah, Gleanings From the Writings of Baha’u’llah, p.86

Do you have any actual factual accusations, or is it just a mud slinging game you all like to play?

gards Tony

 

[cataway]

You are correct in your response. I should have confirmed what I offered not from memory but by reading what Baha'u'llah offered.

In the context noted below the Disciples of Jesus would have been the "sun".

In the original language Baha'u'llah use the word Sun in two different ways and Shoghi Effendi's translations differentiates between the two by way of capitalization. When not capitalized, the term “sun” often refers to leaders of religion. When using the term, “Sun,” the messenger of God is intended.

There are also many meanings and many contexts for Sun, sun, Moon, moon, Stars, stars. In some writings the divines are given the station of "sun" as they reflect the divine Messengers who are the "Sun". One such example by Baha'u'llah.

"That the term “sun” hath been applied to the leaders of religion is due to their lofty position, their fame, and renown. Such are the universally recognized divines of every age, who speak with authority, and whose fame is securely established. If they be in the likeness of the Sun of Truth, they will surely be accounted as the most exalted of all luminaries; otherwise, they are to be recognized as the focal centres of hellish fire." – Baha’u’llah, The Book of Certitude, p. 37.

In this Context Jesus was the "Sun" and the Disciples were the "sun".

In this quote Baha'u'llah gives another apology

"...This is the purpose underlying the symbolic words of the Manifestations of God. . . . Hence, it is clear and manifest that by the words This is the purpose underlying the symbolic words of the Manifestations of God. . . . Hence, it is clear and manifest that by the words “the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven” is intended the waywardness of the divines, and the annulment of laws firmly established by divine Revelation, all of which, in symbolic language, have been foreshadowed by the Manifestation of God. – Baha’u’llah, The Book of Certitude, p. 41. is intended the waywardness of the divines, and the annulment of laws firmly established by divine Revelation, all of which, in symbolic language, have been foreshadowed by the Manifestation of God. – Baha’u’llah, The Book of Certitude, p. 41.

So this passage does explain some of the meanings of sun, moon and stars.

Regards Tony

“the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven” (Matthew 24:29)
what do you take as the meaning of that verse ?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

“the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven” (Matthew 24:29)
what do you take as the meaning of that verse ?

I see Baha'u'llah explained the meaning in the posted quotes, I will post that and explain my thoughts.

”Hence, it is clear and manifest that by the words “the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven” is intended the waywardness of the divines, and the annulment of laws firmly established by divine Revelation" Baha'u'llah

In this given context, I see the sun is the divines who have taken the teachings and laws of Jesus (moon and stars) and through interpretation that has added meaning and lack of practice of the law, they have fallen from the heaven of the grace of God brought to us by Jesus Christ.

Regards Tony

 

[Trailblazer]

No I think he genuinely believed he was who he said he was. That doesn't make it true however

Nor does it make it false.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes. So he wasn't a con.

He was a false prophet and that was proved in real life.

David Koresh - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Trailblazer]

I shouldn't think there would be any since he is a fake.

Baha'u'llah was no more of a fake than Jesus, since they were both Manifestations of God of equal stature.

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe the truth convinces me and he does not always have it as oppsed to Jesus who is the truth.

Truth is not truth because it convinces you.

Jesus is the truth to you but both Jesus and Baha'u'llah are the truth to me.

 

[Trailblazer]

Comments such as these are a poor reflection on those that offer them.

You can say that again, but apparently those who offer them don't know that or they simply don't care.