DNA - Blueprint for Life?

[Milton Platt]

Then why accept CD? There is only circumstantial evidence backing it. Very flimsy, too. By accepting it, you’re ignoring other evidence against it!

What is CD???

 

[Milton Platt]

They are integrating information technology in biology these days. Hello!

So what? That has nothing to do with what we are discussing.
Like heck it isn't. The evidence is in the digital codes which are building instructions. Just keep moving the goalposts to avoid the obvious.

Not moving the goal post. You are attributing something (DNA) to something you have not demonstrated exists. DNA does not provide any evidence a god exists. Please connect the dots. Demonstrate that a god made DNA. I can attribute DNA to Wizards with the same logic. I say wizards exist and that they created DNA. See, that was easy. same evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What is CD???

Certificate of Deposit, um no no, it stands for Compact Disc.

 

[dimmesdale]

Not moving the goal post. You are attributing something (DNA) to something you have not demonstrated exists. DNA does not provide any evidence a god exists. Please connect the dots. Demonstrate that a god made DNA. I can attribute DNA to Wizards with the same logic. I say wizards exist and that they created DNA. See, that was easy. same evidence.

Do you apply the same standards to the ape/human common ancestor? You do believe in the mystery creature? Or is it double standards here?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Do you apply the same standards to the ape/human common ancestor? You do believe in the mystery creature? Or is it double standards here?

There is no doubt when man's and chimp's DNA is analyzed that it shows we have a common ancestor. By the way, why do you use the term ape/human common ancestor? You do realize that you are an ape, don't you?

 

[Milton Platt]

Do you apply the same standards to the ape/human common ancestor? You do believe in the mystery creature? Or is it double standards here?

Do you apply the same standards to the ape/human common ancestor? You do believe in the mystery creature? Or is it double standards here?

Yes, I expect my ancestors to have DNA. Does your god?
What mystery creature? We descended from apes and technically still are apes. It is a scientific classification based on a number of common traits as well as DNA. The DNA demonstrates the connection. Google human Chromosome 2. Explain how that happened without common descent.

 

[dimmesdale]

Yes, I expect my ancestors to have DNA.

That is not what I asked.

Does your god?

No. We attribute the source for complex specified codes in DNA to intelligence as opposed to your blind faith alternative. This is what you wrote.

You are attributing something (DNA) to something you have not demonstrated exists.

By your standards, please demonstrate the human/ape common ancestor mystery creature existed with empirical evidence. What we are bringing out here is hypocrisy on your part. Double standards.

DNA does not provide any evidence a god exists.

Codes demonstrate intelligence. By the same standard, DNA does not provide any evidence an ape/man common ancestor existed.

I can attribute DNA to Wizards with the same logic.

You do attribute DNA to mystery creatures that did not exist so why not wizards? Does horse DNA demonstrate winged Pegasus existed? You believe the unobserved mystery creature existed with not one shred of physical evidence via faith.

What mystery creature? We descended from apes and technically still are apes.

Can I quote you on that? We descended from apes according to you?

It is a scientific classification based on a number of common traits as well as DNA.

Not convinced. DNA is evidence of DNA, not extinct mystery creatures.That being since you don't know identity.

The DNA demonstrates the connection.

What connection? DNA demonstrates codes, building instructions for proteins. The only known source for codes is intelligence. If you wish to demonstrate codes can be produced via chemical reactions then have at it. Show how a chemical reaction can produce a code similar to this.

The blue bug bled blue blood.

If you can do that then you have artificial intelligence and you would be rich since there would be many applications.

 

[Subduction Zone]

This is what you wrote.
By your standards, please demonstrate the human/ape common ancestor mystery creature existed with empirical evidence.

By the same standard, DNA does not provide any evidence an ape/man common ancestor existed. You do attribute DNA to mystery creatures that did not exist.

Can I quote you on that? We descended from apes according to you? Not convinced. That being since you don't know identity. What connection? DNA demonstrates codes, building instructions for proteins. The only known source for codes is intelligence. If you wish to demonstrate codes can be produced via chemical reactions then have at it. Show how a chemical reaction can produce a code similar to this.

The blue bug bled blue blood.

You clearly need to learn some basics first. When people deny obvious evidence and then claim evidence that they do not have I prefer to think that they are uneducated instead of thinking that they are lying. Would you like to go over the concept of scientific evidence?

 

[Subduction Zone]

That is not what I asked. No. We attribute the source for complex specified codes in DNA to intelligence as opposed to your blind faith alternative. This is what you wrote.
By your standards, please demonstrate the human/ape common ancestor mystery creature existed with empirical evidence. What we are bringing out here is hypocrisy on your part. Double standards.
Codes demonstrate intelligence. By the same standard, DNA does not provide any evidence an ape/man common ancestor existed. You do attribute DNA to mystery creatures that did not exist. You believe the unobserved mystery creature existed with not one shred of physical evidence via faith.
Can I quote you on that? We descended from apes according to you? Not convinced. That being since you don't know identity. What connection? DNA demonstrates codes, building instructions for proteins. The only known source for codes is intelligence. If you wish to demonstrate codes can be produced via chemical reactions then have at it. Show how a chemical reaction can produce a code similar to this.

The blue bug bled blue blood.

And from a Christian website, a discussion about shared endogenous retroviruses of man and chimp. Knock it out of the park physical evidence that we share a common ancestor:

Why Aren't the Twin Locations of >100k+ ERV's (human vs. chimp) Discussed More?

 

[Milton Platt]

This is what you wrote.
By your standards, please demonstrate the human/ape common ancestor mystery creature existed with empirical evidence.

By the same standard, DNA does not provide any evidence an ape/man common ancestor existed. You do attribute DNA to mystery creatures that did not exist.

I agree that science is always subject to be proven incorrect. That is one of it's strengths. New knowledge is added all the time, and theories are challenged constantly.

I don't make the claim, science does, based upon a great deal of evidence. It is readily available in textbooks, online, and you can even read the actual research papers (but you usually have to pay for access for those)

Start here:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/l...ance-from-facebook-creationists/#.W7LMHWhKhhE

It doesn't have the rigor of a scientific paper, but it is accurate.

Still not understanding what the mystery creature is you bring up. Evolution is a slow, gradual process. Are you disputing that apes existed in the past?
Apes are simply a classification to sort out animals and plants. We share traits, both genetic and physical with apes and therefore are classified as such.
The physical and genetic traits are certainly true and can be directly observed.

I am willing to entertain the possibility that the some 200 years of data in Biology, Geology, Genetics, Chemistry, Anthropology and other disciplines all points to a specific creator. If you are able to point me to a site or sites that attempts that it would be interesting to peruse. I have looked at several sites for Intelligent Design and found them to be lacking such evidence, and/or misquoting scientists, and/or taking quotes out of context to obscure the authors intended meaning, and sometimes containing outright lies and even using the opinion of say, a geologist to "show" that something in biology is somehow wrong.

Can I quote you on that? We descended from apes according to you? Not convinced. That being since you don't know identity. What connection? DNA demonstrates codes, building instructions for proteins. The only known source for codes is intelligence. If you wish to demonstrate codes can be produced via chemical reactions then have at it. Show how a chemical reaction can produce a code similar to this.

We descended from apes according to the science, based upon the evidence so far apparent. I am not a scientist. But you can quote the scientists, as I do.
If evidence of a god does show up, it would be very interesting. It would mean, for one thing, that we can no longer depend upon the natural laws, as they would be subject to change by the god if it so wished.

Apologies for the red text. Couldn't figure out the quote system on the board.

The blue bug bled blue blood.

 

[Milton Platt]

I notice you are asking me for empirical evidence. Let’s keep things equal. Can you provide empirical evidence of your god?

 

[SkepticThinker]

They are integrating information technology in biology these days. Hello!
Like heck it isn't. The evidence is in the digital codes which are building instructions. Just keep moving the goalposts to avoid the obvious.

How complex would you say the designer you believe in is?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

What is CD???

Common Descent, a staple of evolutionary theory.

 

[Milton Platt]

Common Descent, a staple of evolutionary theory.

Oh, okay. Sorry.....brain fart there. I was following and commenting on numerous threads about numerous topics and I haven't heard that term in some time.
Yes, I believe that science has the best explanation (common descent, if you prefer that label to the theory of evolution) for the accumulated data so far. I do not work in any of the relevant fields, but science has so far proven to the the most reliable way of understanding the natural world. Our lives are immersed in the knowledge and products of science. I can't think of any religion that has done more for mankind than the scientific method. Germ theory, which underpins modern medicine, flight, space exploration, clean water, vaccines, antibiotics, Newtonian physics, general theory of relativity, special theory of relativity, on and on, right down to the computers you and I are using to communicate.

As I stated earlier in the thread, if you are aware of an actual theory (in the scientific sense of the word) that takes into account all of the accumulated data and does no injustice to any of it, and the theory seems to support intelligent design, it would be interesting to see. So far, I have only seen creationists trying and failing to pick apart isolated items of data.

The underlying reality however, is that if the theory of evolution were to be demonstrated to be totally false tomorrow (there would certainly be a Nobel prize for that) it would not demonstrate the existence of a god of any kind. It would simply mean we no longer have an answer for how the diversity of life occurred. As to demonstrating the existence of a god, all of your work would still be ahead of you.

This is why I always tell creationists that they need to demonstrate the god's existence before they try and tell people what it can do, and that it somehow cares if Jews eat shellfish.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Common Descent, a staple of evolutionary theory.

Do you realize that there is endless evidence for common descent and none for ID, don't you? We will probably have to go over the concept of evidence.

 

[Jose Fly]

please demonstrate the human/ape common ancestor mystery creature existed with empirical evidence.

I've already answered your request (CLICK HERE). You ignored it.