DNA worlds theory

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

This diagram shows that the mathetmatical ordering of biology and physics is the same (by Peter Rowlands, Vanessa Hill)

Based on that it means:

- The DNA system is alike a little universe in it's own right. Alike human imagination, or a 3D computergame.

- In this DNA world of an organism, there exists a representation of the fully formed adult form of the organism.

- The DNA adult organism guides the development of the physical organism to adulthood.

- all sorts of other things like a represenation of the opposite sex, representations of trees and other animals, representations of the moon and earth, and the cycles of the moon and earth, may exists in this DNA world, which got to be there by copying (modelling) it directly from the universe.

- the DNA world is universal, it is possible in principle to put a representation of a boeing 747 in the DNA world, however it will not grow the airplane

- It should be possible to convert the DNA radio signal to a videosignal on a computer, and look directly inside the DNA world.

- fully formed adult representations are chosen in the DNA world in a reasoned and informed way. (intelligent design)

- in designing organisms in the DNA world natural selection is used in an anticipative way, to look into the future to see what design works. Thereby explaining how organisms have "survival" as a design principle. Natural selection is a sorting algorithm, and the results of a sorting algorithm are forced by the initial variables. This is why the results of natural selection can be known in advance of the sorting taking place.

 

[Parsimony]

About the "4 Parameters", I see that you have a representative of the gravitational force (mass), and a representative of the electromagnetic force (charge), but what about the strong nuclear force and weak nuclear force? They are both unique forces in their own right and deserve representation as well.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

About the "4 Parameters", I see that you have a representative of the gravitational force (mass), and a representative of the electromagnetic force (charge), but what about the strong nuclear force and weak nuclear force? They are both unique forces in their own right and deserve representation as well.

I think the force represented in the diagram is more fundamental, and that's why the other forces are left out. It could be there is a dna equivalent of it, maybe not. Who knows, maybe the DNA world is the same basic world as that of human imagination, but where human imagination is then the brain related to the dna world. It seems reasonable to think we have things in our imagination which are biological, like a representation of the opposite sex.

Peter Rowlands also wrote a book in march 2015 titled "how schrodingers cat escaped the box"

It is an incredibly densely written overview of science, and then framed in terms of his zero totality theory. Supposedly easy to understand for physics students. But rather than spending time writing well crafted information dense sentences he could have better made a fold out infograph overview, or something like that. Still the book has several great points, but I only half read it. If you want to see where the strong and weak nuclear force fits in this, then I guess you have to plough through that short book.

 

[Etritonakin]

This diagram shows that the mathetmatical ordering of biology and physics is the same (by Peter Rowlands, Vanessa Hill)

Based on that it means:

- The DNA system is alike a little universe in it's own right. Alike human imagination, or a 3D computergame.

- In this DNA world of an organism, there exists a representation of the fully formed adult form of the organism.

- The DNA adult organism guides the development of the physical organism to adulthood.

- all sorts of other things like a represenation of the opposite sex, representations of trees and other animals, representations of the moon and earth, and the cycles of the moon and earth, may exists in this DNA world, which got to be there by copying (modelling) it directly from the universe.

- the DNA world is universal, it is possible in principle to put a representation of a boeing 747 in the DNA world, however it will not grow the airplane

- It should be possible to convert the DNA radio signal to a videosignal on a computer, and look directly inside the DNA world.

- fully formed adult representations are chosen in the DNA world in a reasoned and informed way. (intelligent design)

- in designing organisms in the DNA world natural selection is used in an anticipative way, to look into the future to see what design works. Thereby explaining how organisms have "survival" as a design principle. Natural selection is a sorting algorithm, and the results of a sorting algorithm are forced by the initial variables. This is why the results of natural selection can be known in advance of the sorting taking place.

Are you -or is anyone -saying that this specific ordering of the biology is a direct result of that specific ordering of physics ?

Are you just pointing out similarities?

 

[Skwim]

This diagram shows that the mathetmatical ordering of biology and physics is the same (by Peter Rowlands, Vanessa Hill)

In as much as the diagram is part of the conclusion of the paper, perhaps you can tell us what the conclusion itself is saying:

CONCLUSION
It would appear that the fundamental rewrite system, with its 5-component nilpotent operator, displays in compactified form all the fundamental units ofnatural process. Summarising a large body of work, it is possible to show that, defining a nilpotent operator for physics simultaneously leads to the creation of point singularity and discreteness; compactification (from 8 units to 5)and chirality (as a result of the loss of some sign degrees of freedom in the compactification); symmetry-breaking (between the 5 units) and spontaneous symmetry-breaking (because of the chirality); (double) helicity and angular momentum (with its double 3-D nature); irreversibility (because of the chirality of the time and energy operators); 5-fold symmetry (cubical→ spiral) and hence the Fibonacci sequence; and a harmonic oscillator-based tendency to aggregation and complexity (because of the pseudoscalar nature of the time / energy term needed for nilpotency).These, in fact, would appear to be universal processes, originating in the fundamental algebras and geometries of the rewrite system, and there are many indications that they apply in biologyas well as in physics, in particular to the genetic code and its construction mechanism for proteins. Here, we see that the Dirac nilpotent fermion plus vacuum structure, with its four fundamental components (space, time, mass and charge), the 64 elements of its algebra, the double helical structure, chirality, and 5-fold broken symmetry (E,p,m), corresponds closely tothe structure of the DNA / RNA genetic code, with its four bases A (denine), G(uanine), (ytosine) and T(hymine)), 64 triplet codons, double helical structure, chirality, and 5-fold axial symmetry.
source

 

[Covellite]

electron microscope photograph of a small bundle of DNA strands
could be interesting to look at scientific model and picture of DNA

 

[Valjean]

It looks to me like you're grasping at straws; inventing correspondence. What do four amino acids have to do with mass, space time and change? Aren't you just randomly picking four of something from one side and proposing some correspondence with four of something from the other side?

 

[Etritonakin]

It looks to me like you're grasping at straws; inventing correspondence. What do four amino acids have to do with mass, space time and change? Aren't you just randomly picking four of something from one side and proposing some correspondence with four of something from the other side?

Isn't physics really what drives biology? Biology is just a higher level of the same thing, isn't it?

Perhaps there is some cast and mold thing going on there somewhere.

 

[Skwim]

It looks to me like you're grasping at straws; inventing correspondence. What do four amino acids have to do with mass, space time and change? Aren't you just randomly picking four of something from one side and proposing some correspondence with four of something from the other side?

Here's the source of it all

 

[columbus]

This is why the results of natural selection can be known in advance of the sorting taking place.

My winter coat has five pockets. And I only wear it in the dark cold seasons.
That is proof of God's existence also. Isn't it?

You're good at this. Tell me how my winter coat is proof that you know more about God than I do.
Tom

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle.

Freedom is real, it is in front of your nose, you have direct evidence of it in daily life. What you think freedom is doing in the universe? Is it only like tossing salad, tossing the atoms about left or right? Or is freedom functional in more complex ways, like intelligent design? What about the first decisions in the universe? Would it be necessary that the first decision creates something simple, like a singularity, or could it also create fully formed planets in an instant?

 

[Valjean]

Whence this idea that everything is decided and managed? Are you extrapolating from your own, personal experience of the world? Isn't this akin to a flatworm expounding on quantum mechanics?

Water doesn't choose to flow downhill. It needs no guidance. The laws of nature require no guiding hand.

 

[Skwim]

Freedom is real, it is in front of your nose, you have direct evidence of it in daily life. What you think freedom is doing in the universe? Is it only like tossing salad, tossing the atoms about left or right? Or is freedom functional in more complex ways, like intelligent design? What about the first decisions in the universe? Would it be necessary that the first decision creates something simple, like a singularity, or could it also create fully formed planets in an instant?

Still waiting for an answer to my request in post 5.

 

[Mohammad Nur Syamsu]

Whence this idea that everything is decided and managed? Are you extrapolating from your own, personal experience of the world? Isn't this akin to a flatworm expounding on quantum mechanics?

Water doesn't choose to flow downhill. It needs no guidance. The laws of nature require no guiding hand.

It is not strictly correct to refer agency to creation. The brain does not choose, the brain is chosen which way it turns out. The brain is organized in term of making decisions.

Water in a river, I am sure it could autonomously turn out several different ways. Even going up in the sky is an option, as condensation.

From an information point of view this is very clear. If it were true that all the watermolecules are forced to end up where they do from the beginning then it means all the information where the water ends up is contained at that point. With freedom the information is generated on the go, from moment to moment.

 

[Helvetios]

I would like to point out that there are five nucleic acids, not four, and three additional amino acids (rare, but still present in a variety of organisms). The premise behind the original image is incorrect. Even if it was correct, I fail to see any connection between these two sets of trivia.

 

[LegionOnomaMoi]

This diagram shows that the mathetmatical ordering of biology and physics is the same (by Peter Rowlands, Vanessa Hill)

I can't find anything accurate about that figure. Symmetry braking isn't 5-fold, the idea of a limit to algebraic elements of any algebraic structure is ridiculous and the fact that this "Dirac algebra" has 64 elements compared to the laughable 20 of some "Fermionic+vacuum structure" just goes to show this, the mistaken description of chirality used to equate quantum and DNA is pathetic, and the "4-parameters" violate relativity by separating space and time, not to mention the fact that they ignore most of the actual parameters (even Rees' elimination of all but the most important still yields 6)

 

[LuisDantas]

It looks to me like you're grasping at straws; inventing correspondence. What do four amino acids have to do with mass, space time and change? Aren't you just randomly picking four of something from one side and proposing some correspondence with four of something from the other side?

Certainly looks like that.