Do all lives matter?

[osgart]

Jeffrey Dahmer converted to Christianity and became rather docile in prison, he had to be escorted by guards. Even before he was caught, he had a hard time coping with his horrible actions and struggled with committing murder. He still did it, but it wasn't easy for him.

Most serial killers struggle with homicidal idealization, and in many cases that homicidal ideation comes from pathologically externalized suicidal thoughts. In Dahmer's case, he tried to keep his victims alive on numerous occasions; he was just deathly afraid of being alone and abandoned.

I'm not sure if he could have been rehabilitated, or if the outcome would have been different if his pathology was treated before he went down the path he took, but we'll never know that because he was murdered in prison by another inmate. I do know that most people who are scorned as too hard-hearted to reach aren't always, and that scorn has made it harder to treat people with stigmatized mental illnesses such as B-cluster personality disorders.

I'm not saying there isn't anyone that matches your description, but I don't think humans are very good at judging who is beyond saving and who isn't. Who do you think should make that judgment call, and how many unnecessary deaths are you willing to risk for that?

I don't think any murderer should go free into society. Even in fully repenting I couldn't trust them to enter into society.

I don't think humans are good judges on this matter. I'm really not wanting to risk any lives about it.

 

[February-Saturday]

I don't think any murderer should go free into society. Even in fully repenting I couldn't trust them to enter into society.

I don't think humans are good judges on this matter. I'm really not wanting to risk any lives about it.

Okay, I sort of figured you that was your position, but that doesn't answer my question. We're wrong about who we convict for murder all the time, and we discover that only when forensic evidence clears the accused or the real murderer is found later.

Even if your position was that all murderers should be killed, how many innocent people are you willing to put to death for crimes they didn't commit? Who should be trusted to make sure that they're deserving of death? Judges and juries? Forensic experts who work on the conviction? Internal affairs, after investigating the circumstances around each murder and finding no foul play from the investigators? Or would it just be everyone convicted of murder? Should the judges overseeing these cases be held to higher scrutiny than other judges?

I know that's a lot of questions, but that's really what I meant when I asked who you want overseeing that decision and how many people you don't consider fit targets for execution you're willing to let die in the pursuit of putting that into action.

 

[osgart]

Okay, I sort of figured you that was your position, but that doesn't answer my question. We're wrong about who we convict for murder all the time, and we discover that only when forensic evidence clears the accused or the real murderer is found later.

Even if your position was that all murderers should be killed, how many innocent people are you willing to put to death for crimes they didn't commit? Who should be trusted to make sure that they're deserving of death? Judges and juries? Forensic experts who work on the conviction? Internal affairs, after investigating the circumstances around each murder and finding no foul play from the investigators? Or would it just be everyone convicted of murder? Should the judges overseeing these cases be held to higher scrutiny than other judges?

I know that's a lot of questions, but that's really what I meant when I asked who you want overseeing that decision and how many people you don't consider fit targets for execution you're willing to let die in the pursuit of putting that into action.

I really don't trust the legal system to be 100% accurate at all. So unless there is undeniable evidence such as with George Floyd's murder, I would not send anyone to a death sentence though they might deserve it.

So I was making this thread to get a sense of where people's hearts are about it all. As far as the application of law goes that's another matter to me. Though I know how extremely relevant that is where the rubber meets the road.

It would take a God to settle the matter satisfactorily. Legally I'm not willing to risk being wrong. I often thought that jurors should be professional representatives of the public and not the public itself.

 

[February-Saturday]

I really don't trust the legal system to be 100% accurate at all. So unless there is undeniable evidence such as with George Floyd's murder, I would not send anyone to a death sentence though they might deserve it.

So I was making this thread to get a sense of where people's hearts are about it all. As far as the application of law goes that's another matter to me. Though I know how extremely relevant that is where the rubber meets the road.

It would take a God to settle the matter satisfactorily. Legally I'm not willing to risk being wrong. I often thought that jurors should be professional representatives of the public and not the public itself.

Thank you, that clarifies a lot.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Oh yes it has. death has a way of preventing that individual from ever committing a heinous crime ever again.

What about those million of people who come after and did same crime? Does not look like they learned not to do it, when they know they will die from it if they get caught?

Buddhist who are for killing others??? Hmmm not a buddhist in my eyes.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What about those million of people who come after and did same crime? Does not look like they learned not to do it, when they know they will die from it if they get caught?

Buddhist who are for killing others??? Hmmm not a buddhist in my eyes.

Then you don't understand Dharma.

Remember nothing is regarded as being separate. We are interconnected with the worst and the best humanity has to offer.

Killing is necessary sometimes. it's not pleasant, it's not fun, but its necessary because it's inclusive of nature which clearly has the propensity to kill.

Buddhist monks and lay have killed many times.

 

[Lyndon]

You're the one that doesn't understand Buddhism!!

 

[Willamena]

Is there worth or potential for worth in every human being?

Of course.

If Other, please explain!

Black lives matter. To ignore that, or to try to dilute it with "All lives matter," doesn't detract from it one bit.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don't think any murderer should go free into society. Even in fully repenting I couldn't trust them to enter into society.

I don't think humans are good judges on this matter. I'm really not wanting to risk any lives about it.

It's evidenced by the sheer number of repeat offenders who incorrigibly and predictably go back to their criminal activity. It's why profiling is used.

Pathological criminal behavior is predictable and frankly is not redeemable. Especially in cases of psychotic and sociopathic individuals where their physical brains are very different from that of a normal person.

Weither that could be could be changed in the future or not, is anybody's guess. Medicine hasn't gotten that far yet.

 

[Lyndon]

George Floyd hadn't been arrested for 10 years

 

[osgart]

Of course.


Black lives matter. To ignore that, or to try to dilute it with "All lives matter," doesn't detract from it one bit.

That isn't my intention by making this thread. I know Black lives matter.

If anything white people should draw a lot more in common with black people and vice versa.

If you want to look at it in terms of race then we will never get past the barriers of race. I'm not a white person hating on anyone of any race.

Black Lives Matter!

 

[Samael_Khan]

Is there worth or potential for worth in every human being?

If Other, please explain!

I answered "no". I think certain people should just be eliminated to prevent them from harming others in the future, especially people who repetitively murder. I think Pedophiles and Rapists should be castrated or eliminated, or subject to some other harsh punishment or even just eliminated themselves.

 

[Father Heathen]

Oh yes it has. death has a way of preventing that individual from ever committing a heinous crime ever again.

So does life imprisonment. The difference is you can free the wrongly convicted, but you can't resurrect them. I simply can't trust the system to not **** up. Also, death is an escape. A life confined leaves one trapped to reflect upon their actions and consequences.

 

[osgart]

I answered "no". I think certain people should just be eliminated to prevent them from harming others in the future, especially people who repetitively murder. I think Pedophiles and Rapists should be castrated or eliminated, or subject to some other harsh punishment or even just eliminated themselves.

I agree with having no mercy on these types.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Then you don't understand Dharma.

Remember nothing is regarded as being separate. We are interconnected with the worst and the best humanity has to offer.

Killing is necessary sometimes. it's not pleasant, it's not fun, but its necessary because it's inclusive of nature which clearly has the propensity to kill.

Buddhist monks and lay have killed many times.

Maybe you are the one missing the truth in the dharma? Where is your Compassion for other human beings?

 

[Father Heathen]

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It's evidenced by the sheer number of repeat offenders who incorrigibly and predictably go back to their criminal activity. It's why profiling is used.

Pathological criminal behavior is predictable and frankly is not redeemable. Especially in cases of psychotic and sociopathic individuals where their physical brains are very different from that of a normal person.

Weither that could be could be changed in the future or not, is anybody's guess. Medicine hasn't gotten that far yet.

A huge part of the problem is that people emerge from the prison system worse rather than better. It dehumanizes and hardens them rather than rehabilitate. Of course it's not supposed to be a fun place, but when the system itself allows for rape, race based gangs, etc. then people have to become animals to survive. Whatever was going on with them emotionally and psychologically that attributed to their criminal behavior, the prison environment doesn't fix it; it compounds it.

 

[Father Heathen]

Maybe you are the one missing the truth in the dharma? Where is your Compassion for other human beings?

Not just compassion, but an understanding of cause and effect.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Is there worth or potential for worth in every human being?

If Other, please explain!

Everyone but New Zealanders

 

[Jesuslightoftheworld]

Is there worth or potential for worth in every human being?

If Other, please explain!

Absolutely, but we can cannot determination that worth, only the One who created us can. And to Him we are all worthy...Jensen Grace!!

 

[Jesuslightoftheworld]

All lives matter, not only human life.

True!
But that doesn’t apply to lice and bed bugs!!!!