do Christians and Muslims believe Satan is a physical person or invisible being?

[nazz]

Is Satan a walking being physically seen or is he an invisible being that can't be seen with the eyes?

I would just say Satan is the force experienced internally that draws away from God. Anything beyond that would be speculation.

 

[Woodrow LI]

I would just say Satan is the force experienced internally that draws away from God. Anything beyond that would be speculation.

I pretty much agree. That (Our inner self) is the strongest Shaytan we all must face and conquer.

 

[Ingledsva]

The Bible reveals Satan is a spirit and once a son of God, (Job 1:6,7)
He allowed pride and arrogance develop in his heart, just as humans can allow these bad traits to develop. (James 1:14,15)

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What makes you think - in this story - that Satan wasn't then, and still, a Son of God, doing his job of testing?

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[Saint Frankenstein]

Satan is a spiritual being. He is a fallen Angel. They are able to shapeshift and manifest themselves in this realm, but only for a short period of time (which is one reason why they prefer to possess people).

 

[forth and five]

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What makes you think - in this story - that Satan wasn't then, and still, a Son of God, doing his job of testing?

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good question

 

[rusra02]

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What makes you think - in this story - that Satan wasn't then, and still, a Son of God, doing his job of testing?

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The Bible reveals Satan to be an enemy of God and men. Here is how Jesus described him: "You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie." (John 8:44) I believe the Bible shows further that Satan will be destroyed in God's due time. (Hebrews 2:14)

 

[rusra02]

does the bible teach how they became angels?

Yes, the angels were created by God, and are his spirit sons. (Job 1:6, Psalm 104:4)

 

[forth and five]

Tha

Yes, the angels were created by God, and are his spirit sons. (Job 1:6, Psalm 104:4)

thanks

 

[forth and five]

The Bible reveals Satan to be an enemy of God and men. Here is how Jesus described him: "You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie." (John 8:44) I believe the Bible shows further that Satan will be destroyed in God's due time. (Hebrews 2:14)

powerful scripture

 

[forth and five]

Reading onward we get

7:16 (Picktall) He said : Now, because Thou hast sent me astray, verily I shall lurk in ambush for them on Thy Right Path.

7:17 (Picktall) Then I shall come upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right bands and from their left hands, and Thou wilt not find most of them beholden (unto Thee).

7:18 (Picktall) He said: Go forth from hence, degraded, banished. As for such of them as follow thee, surely I will fill hell with all of you.

7:19 (Picktall) And (unto man): O Adam! Dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden and eat from whence ye will, but come not nigh this tree lest ye become wrong-doers.

7:20 (Picktall) Then Satan whispered to them that he might manifest unto them that which was hidden from them of their shame, and he said: Your Lord forbade you from this tree only lest ye should become angels or become of the immortals.

7:21 (Picktall) And he swore unto them (saying): Lo! I am a sincere adviser unto you.

7:22 (Picktall) Thus did he lead them on with guile. And when they tasted of the tree their shame was manifest to them and they began to hide (by heaping) on themselves some of the leaves of the Garden. And their Lord called them, (saying): Did I not forbid you from that tree and tell you: Lo! Satan is an open enemy to you?

As this is all one continuous verse There is no indication anyone has actually left Paradise yet. Iblis was given his eviction noticed but had not yet left town.

ok thanks.

as we seen the verses that said iblis was amongst those given reprieve you believe the reprieve to mean that they were allowed to stay in paradise? If not what can reprieve mean after they have disobeyed Allah?

 

[Woodrow LI]

ok thanks.

as we seen the verses that said iblis was amongst those given reprieve you believe the reprieve to mean that they were allowed to stay in paradise? If not what can reprieve mean after they have disobeyed Allah?

My understanding is: it means a delay in implementing the punishment.

 

[forth and five]

My understanding is: it means a delay in implementing the punishment.

I can agree, but where were they awaiting this delay? You have iblis awaiting in paradise how about those who were given reprieve before him , were they awaiting in paradise as well?

 

[Thruve]

Most I've known, physical. But to Some, like myself, he's a physical image placed on a will to define its opposite, love.

 

[Ingledsva]

The Bible reveals Satan to be an enemy of God and men. Here is how Jesus described him: "You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie." (John 8:44) I believe the Bible shows further that Satan will be destroyed in God's due time. (Hebrews 2:14)

Actually these much later NT verses mistook the idea of Satan in Tanakh.

There is no Fallen evil autonomous Satan in Tanakh.

These evil Satan, and Hell ideas, came in with contact with foreign nations.

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[rusra02]

Actually these much later NT verses mistook the idea of Satan in Tanakh.

There is no Fallen evil autonomous Satan in Tanakh.

These evil Satan, and Hell ideas, came in with contact with foreign nations.

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Genesis chapter 3 identifies an unnamed entity that the Bible progressively unmasks. The serpent that misled Eve was used by this wicked spirit. Later, the book of Job unmasks this wicked one's intentions concerning humans. I believe the Bible is consistent in identifying Satan as a wicked opposer of God. The very name Satan means opposer. As Job 34:10 assures us; “It is unthinkable for the true God to act wickedly, for the Almighty to do wrong!” Thus, Jehovah would not create or assign an agent to act wickedly in his behalf.

 

[Ingledsva]

Genesis chapter 3 identifies an unnamed entity that the Bible progressively unmasks. The serpent that misled Eve was used by this wicked spirit. Later, the book of Job unmasks this wicked one's intentions concerning humans. I believe the Bible is consistent in identifying Satan as a wicked opposer of God. The very name Satan means opposer. As Job 34:10 assures us; “It is unthinkable for the true God to act wickedly, for the Almighty to do wrong!” Thus, Jehovah would not create or assign an agent to act wickedly in his behalf.

No it does not progressively unmask an evil Satan. Give the verses - we will debate them.

YHVH TELLS Satan to put his attentions to Job.

There are several verses where YHVH tells us he creates both good and evil. There are also obviously multiple verses showing an evil YHVH, - such as the Exodus story where YHVH says he is going to harden Pharaoh's heart - SO THAT HE WON"T LET THE HEBREW GO, - then when he doesn't let them go - BECAUSE YHVH ISN'T LETTING HIM, YHVH murders the animals, kills the crops, tortures the innocent people, and murders the innocent First-born! In this story YHVH is EVIL!

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[rusra02]

No it does not progressively unmask an evil Satan. Give the verses - we will debate them.

YHVH TELLS Satan to put his attentions to Job.

There are several verses where YHVH tells us he creates both good and evil. There are also obviously multiple verses showing an evil YHVH, - such as the Exodus story where YHVH says he is going to harden Pharaoh's heart - SO THAT HE WON"T LET THE HEBREW GO, - then when he doesn't let them go - BECAUSE YHVH ISN'T LETTING HIM, YHVH murders the animals, kills the crops, tortures the innocent people, and murders the innocent First-born! In this story YHVH is EVIL!

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The account in Exodus shows the Egyptians, from Pharaoh on down, were far from innocent. They enslaved the Jews, and "They made their life bitter with hard labor, as they worked with clay mortar and bricks and in every form of slavery in the field. Yes, they made them toil in harsh conditions in every form of slavery." (Exodus 1:14) Further, wicked Pharoah attempted to murder all the male children of the Israelites by throwing them into the Nile river. (1:22)
Pharaoh's heart was already hard when God sent Moses to him. God allowed Pharaoh to remain that way.
Any Egyptians who chose to (and many did) could take steps to be spared from The plagues God brought upon the stubborn Egyptians. (Exodus 9:20,21) Of course, this required faith and courage on their part.
As sovereign Creator and LifeGiver, Jehovah has the right to deal with mankind. As he sees fit. As mentioned in Job, Jehovah never uses his power in an unrighteous way. When he destroys the wicked, as he did the Egyptians, it was for good reason and after repeated warnings. I believe he will likewise destroy the wicked in our day, and is fully justified in doing so. (Jeremiah 25:33)

 

[Ingledsva]

The account in Exodus shows the Egyptians, from Pharaoh on down, were far from innocent. They enslaved the Jews, and "They made their life bitter with hard labor, as they worked with clay mortar and bricks and in every form of slavery in the field. Yes, they made them toil in harsh conditions in every form of slavery." (Exodus 1:14) Further, wicked Pharoah attempted to murder all the male children of the Israelites by throwing them into the Nile river. (1:22)
Pharaoh's heart was already hard when God sent Moses to him. God allowed Pharaoh to remain that way.
Any Egyptians who chose to (and many did) could take steps to be spared from The plagues God brought upon the stubborn Egyptians. (Exodus 9:20,21) Of course, this required faith and courage on their part.
As sovereign Creator and LifeGiver, Jehovah has the right to deal with mankind. As he sees fit. As mentioned in Job, Jehovah never uses his power in an unrighteous way. When he destroys the wicked, as he did the Egyptians, it was for good reason and after repeated warnings. I believe he will likewise destroy the wicked in our day, and is fully justified in doing so. (Jeremiah 25:33)

LOL! First there is absolutely no proof of the exodus. We are just debating the story details.

Also - you said the Egyptians could have avoided this. Obviously you haven't carefully read the story. How does one go against a God? YHVH says he is going to HARDEN Pharaoh's heart - so that he WON'T let them go, - so he can do some nasty magic and flash!

Did you miss this section -

"the Exodus story where YHVH says he is going to harden Pharaoh's heart - SO THAT HE WON"T LET THE HEBREW GO, - then when he doesn't let them go - BECAUSE YHVH ISN'T LETTING HIM, YHVH murders the animals, kills the crops, tortures the innocent people, and murders the innocent First-born! In this story YHVH is EVIL!

Exo 7:2 Thou shalt speak all that I command thee: and Aaron thy brother shall speak unto Pharaoh, that he send the children of Israel out of his land.

Exo 7:3 And I will harden the heart of Pharaoh, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

Exo 7:4 And Pharaoh shall not hearken unto you, that I may lay my hand upon Egypt, and bring forth mine armies, and my people the children of Israel, out of the land of Egypt by great

I believe YHVH also says this earlier in the story, before he even goes back to Egypt, but I don't remember the verse.

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[rusra02]

As I mentioned, God allowed the circumstances to develop that showed how arrogant and obstinate Pharoah's heart was. So a more accurate translation of Exodus 7:3 is: "As for me, I will allow Pharʹaoh’s heart to become obstinate, and I will multiply my signs and my miracles in the land of Egypt." Jehovah then used Pharoah's obstinacy to display his awesome power. (Exodus 9:16)

 

[Ingledsva]

As I mentioned, God allowed the circumstances to develop that showed how arrogant and obstinate Pharoah's heart was. So a more accurate translation of Exodus 7:3 is: "As for me, I will allow Pharʹaoh’s heart to become obstinate, and I will multiply my signs and my miracles in the land of Egypt." Jehovah then used Pharoah's obstinacy to display his awesome power. (Exodus 9:16)

Absolutly NOT!

The first words in the Hebrew are -

And I will harden the heart of Pharaoh

Go take a look.

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