XIII-Legion
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Christians have believed the return of Jesus will be in their life times since the first generation of Christians.
Well, thanks for your answer; but it's not very reassuring, as here we're trying to establish whether he will return in the lifetime of this GENERATION.
But, I think your answer is too vague and GENERALIZED to be of any use. :help:
I say preaching is against forum rules and that IMO it is unwise to try to get other members to do that.
. I don't really know, and don't really care to spend much time dwelling upon some future day.
Isn't "the second coming" part of christian dogma?
Yes, I appreciate what you've said; but the icon doesn't have any such purpose. My only point was to improve the formatting of the question/reply to the respondent; but I had no intention to preach in anyway, shape or form.
Or perhaps, it wasn't made clear from the main body of text in my question/answer?
Well, thanks for your answer; but it's not very reassuring, as here we're trying to establish whether he will return in the lifetime of this GENERATION.
But, I think your answer is too vague and GENERALIZED to be of any use. :help:
I don't know. Show me what you mean by "christian dogma"..
Is it not part of the belief of christians that The Christ will return. That is part of christian dogma i.e. a fundamental part of christianity's foundation.As is the resurrection.
You mentioned "time" and not caring about it. The title of this thread is a question :I'm really not sure what you are getting at. Please be more specific, if my answer below doesn't clear it up for you.
I said I don't really know and don't really care about the time.
You asked if a return of Christ isn't part of the Christian dogma, in response to that statement. There are many and various beliefs about this issue throughout Christianity. I don't think there is such a thing as "Christian dogma" on this issue.
The second coming is about Time. The second coming is supposed to happen in times future, the way we led to understand it." Do Christians believe the Second Coming of Christ is imminent"?
You mentioned "time" and not caring about it. The title of this thread is a question :
The second coming is about Time. The second coming is supposed to happen in times future, the way we led to understand it.
It's not a big issue. So lets not make it one.
I do not think of a "physical return" happening anytime soon, nor do take the Book of Revelations in a literal sense.
It's pointless to speculate when Jesus will return as the bible says no one knows the day or the time. Many of the prophecies predicting his return are vague and generalized. Things like earthquakes, famines, wars, and doubters have existed before and after Jesus. This allows every christian to believe Jesus will return before they die. Virtually every generation of Christians have thought the return of Jesus was going to happen in their life times and every single one of them was wrong. What makes you think you have better odds than every generation that came before you?
Christians who believe that Christ return is imminent are all pre-tribbers. The bible is clear that Christ returns AFTER the tribulation period. (Actually just before its end).
There are a ton of signs mentioned in the bible about the conditions we are to expect before His return, but we must endure tribulation FIRST and then Christ returns. But I would like you to see what I think about "the beginning" or "birth pangs" of tribulation.
Mat 24:8
All these are the beginning of sorrows. (birth pangs)
There is one sign we are to expect from the words of Jesus....
Jesus said in Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Jesus and His apostles were admiring the Temple from the mount of Olives. So it seems from the text.
Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
The mount of Olives is separate from the Temple Mount but very close by. As Jesus and his apostles viewed the Temple from the mount of Olives, the Western Wall was also visible to them when Jesus said, "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. "
There are stones still standing there! There is "one stone upon another" as we speak.
I think even before the man of sin authenticates himself as the man of sin in the temple calling himself "god," the invasion of Israel and the falling of the Western Wall is the first sign. When the man of sin authenticates himself in the temple that's a sign FOR SURE.
Define "imminent." I believe we are in "the last days," but who knows how long "the last days" will last.:cross::bible:Well, what do you say? :help: reach:
:cross::bible:Well, what do you say? :help: reach:
Matt 24:3 While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately, saying: Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presence (Gr, Parousia) and of the conclusion of the system of things? Note: parousia means presence...not 'coming' as many bibles wrongly translate the word.
False Christs
4 In answer Jesus said to them: Look out that nobody misleads you, 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, I am the Christ, and will mislead many.
Wars, food shortages & earthquakes simulataneously occuring globally
6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be food shortages and earthquakes in one place after another.
Persecution of christians
8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress. 9 Then people will hand you over to tribulation and will kill you, and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name. 10 Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and mislead many;
Decline in morals and behavior on the part of people generally
12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold. 13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved.
Worldwide preaching of the kingdom Good news into all nations
14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
The fact is, we don't know when Christ will come again. It could happen five seconds after I post this message, or it could happen fifty thousand years from now. All we can do is stand vigil and live Christian lives, being ready for His return. And if we die before He comes, then we will repose in Him until He calls us out of our graves.