Do evolution and bigbang always have to be in conflict with religion/spirituality/Philosophies?

[Sonofason]

One idea is that the Sun is losing enough mass, via fusion and the solar wind, to gradually be losing its gravitational grip (see Astronomical unit may need to be redefined). Other possible explanations include a change in the gravitational constant G, the effects of cosmic expansion, and even the influence of dark matter. None have proved satisfactory.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17228-why-is-the-earth-moving-away-from-the-sun/

Well, how is the sun losing it's mass? Where is it going?

 

[Subhankar Zac]

Why is Philosophy included in with branches of mythology?

You believe it to be mythology, some believe it to be facts, other simply do not know.
So, I can't simply take up your belief while ignoring the rest as I myself do not know.

 

[psychoslice]

All very interesting, maybe you should make your own thread, I cannot argue because I don't know, it could be true, who really knows ?.

 

[Riverwolf]

You cannot shine a light like that that comes from the sun onto the earth and not expect the earth to grow in size.

And how, prey tell, do mere photons turn into hydrogen? Or methane? Such as in the Gas and Ice Giants.

Look at the older planets in the solar system, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus. All are much larger. That is the fate of the earth. Maybe

How do you know they're "older"?

I only have evidence that Pangea covered the entire earth.

No it didn't. Then as now, Earth was mostly water.

And I know E=mc2

But do you understand it? Most people don't.

or maybe E is not = mc2(squared)

Well, it could also be rendered as: m = e/c^2. (You can use the ^ symbol to denote an exponent.) That is, mass is energy divided by the square of the speed of light.

 

[Riverwolf]

Well, how is the sun losing it's mass?

Solar Wind.

Where is it going?

Into Deep Space. Where else could it go?

 

[Sonofason]

You believe it to be mythology, some believe it to be facts, other simply do not know.
So, I can't simply take up your belief while ignoring the rest as I myself do not know.

Do you really think the earth is flat? Okay, whatever floats your boat.

 

[Sonofason]

Solar Wind.



Into Deep Space. Where else could it go?

so none of it comes here?

 

[Sonofason]

And how, prey tell, do mere photons turn into hydrogen? Or methane? Such as in the Gas and Ice Giants.

I don't know. How did it happen the first time, when the Big Bang began as light? How did all that light become the elements we now have? If it happened once it can happen again, and again.

How do you know they're "older"?

I don't. It's just me being reasonable. It just makes sense.

No it didn't. Then as now, Earth was mostly water.

I showed you some of my evidence...now you show yours.

But do you understand it? Most people don't.

Well, it could also be rendered as: m = e/c^2. (You can use the ^ symbol to denote an exponent.) That is, mass is energy divided by the square of the speed of light.

forget the constant...mass is energy[/QUOTE]

 

[Sonofason]

So why should we care if Mother Nature is growing? After all, Earth's shape is constantly changing. Tectonic forces such as earthquakes and volcanoes push mountains higher, while erosion and landslides wear them down. In addition, large-scale climate events like El Nino and La Nina redistribute vast water masses among Earth's ocean, atmosphere and land.

Scientists care because, to put movements of Earth's crust into proper context, they need a frame of reference to evaluate them against.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/earth20110816.html

Yeah, no kidding. If they're wrong, it turns everything upside down...Well, they're wrong.

 

[Sonofason]

All very interesting, maybe you should make your own thread, I cannot argue because I don't know, it could be true, who really knows ?.

That's far enough. I do love to see minds open.

 

[Riverwolf]

so none of it comes here?

Some of it does. The Solar Wind's dance with Earth's magnetic spheres is what makes the Northern and Southern Lights. But you must understand: if Sun were a kickball, Earth would be a grain of sand by comparison. There's simply not enough... Earth. So the vast majority of it goes into Deep Space, because that's the vast majority of what's there. Sun probably doesn't even see us.

And you'd better pray that another Carrington Event doesn't happen. (One almost did, thankfully it was pointed in the opposite direction.)

I don't know. How did it happen the first time, when the Big Bang began as light? How did all that light become the elements we now have?

Well... that's not exactly what happened. In fact, for a lot of the time after the Big Bang, the Universe was completely opaque. No visibility at all.

I don't. It's just me being reasonable. It just makes sense.

There's a lot of things that "just make sense" that actually are very untrue. Geocentrism "makes sense" because everything appears to encircle us. Flat Earth "makes sense" (unless you live on a Coastline in a major Trading town) because that's how it appears.

I showed you some of my evidence...now you show yours.

Without water, there is no life on Earth. Simple as that.

forget the constant

I'll forget the constant when it's demonstrated, after lots of verification, to be invalid.

 

[Sonofason]

Some of it does. The Solar Wind's dance with Earth's magnetic spheres is what makes the Northern and Southern Lights. But you must understand: if Sun were a kickball, Earth would be a grain of sand by comparison. There's simply not enough... Earth. So the vast majority of it goes into Deep Space, because that's the vast majority of what's there. Sun probably doesn't even see us.

And you'd better pray that another Carrington Event doesn't happen. (One almost did, thankfully it was pointed in the opposite direction.)

Yes, some of it does. When the earth was closer to the sun, more of it did. As the earth increases in size, even more of it does.

Well... that's not exactly what happened. In fact, for a lot of the time after the Big Bang, the Universe was completely opaque. No visibility at all.

light is electromagnetic radiation. Infrared light is light however invisible or opaque. Micro-waves are electromagnetic radiation. Gama rays are electromagnetic radiation. It was all light.

There's a lot of things that "just make sense" that actually are very untrue. Geocentrism "makes sense" because everything appears to encircle us. Flat Earth "makes sense" (unless you live on a Coastline in a major Trading town) because that's how it appears.

True, but in this case I'm right.

Without water, there is no life on Earth. Simple as that.

I never said Pangaea had no water. The entire earth was covered with shallow seas all over the place. Then after the flood, there was even more water added to the planet's surface.

I'll forget the constant when it's demonstrated, after lots of verification, to be invalid.

Wait as long as you like. I wouldn't expect you to believe anything that you are not convinced of.

 

[Sonofason]

What happens to air molecules when they are put under pressure? They become more dense.
Why are the seas full of water? Why does not all the water evaporate?
The universe is expanding. All the matter of the universe is becoming less dense. What happens to the mass in a universe that is becoming less dense?

 

[Riverwolf]

Yes, some of it does. When the earth was closer to the sun, more of it did. As the earth increases in size, even more of it does.

It doesn't matter how close or far Earth is.

light is electromagnetic radiation. Infrared light is light however invisible or opaque. Micro-waves are electromagnetic radiation. Gama rays are electromagnetic radiation. It was all light.

How do you know what it was?

True, but in this case I'm right.

I'm sure they all thought that, too.

I never said Pangaea had no water. The entire earth was covered with shallow seas all over the place. Then after the flood, there was even more water added to the planet's surface.

...oh, I see what you're doing.

'Fraid that's not gonna fly with me. Not without some actual, physical evidence, presented in a peer-reviewed paper, that there was less water back then than now and then a late-pangea-era massive flood. Because all the evidence thus far points to a pretty consistent amount of water for most of Earth's time, and that all Earth's children are, indeed, born from Sea.

Wait as long as you like. I wouldn't expect you to believe anything that you are not convinced of.

I'm willing to learn, if you truly have the light of new knowledge to bring to me which contradicts the established knowledge. But you gotta earn your status as a trustworthy source. Your first task in that is to truly understand the current consensus, which has not been demonstrated. How do you know, for instance, that you're not arguing against a fabrication by the Straw Man?

 

[Riverwolf]

What happens to the mass in a universe that is becoming less dense?

It's still there, just more spread out.

 

[Ignorant Philosopher]

It is philosophers who started the myth that the earth is flat.

Are you claiming that philosophy predates Judaism?

 

[Ignorant Philosopher]

You believe it to be mythology, some believe it to be facts, other simply do not know.
So, I can't simply take up your belief while ignoring the rest as I myself do not know.

Logical Fallacy

Red Herring

That does not explain why you include Philosophy with these other categories.

 

[Parsimony]

No my theory is that the earth is growing due to E=mc2(squared)

Energy from the sun is converted into mass by this equation. c is constant.

The thing about that is that the solar wind would need to be coming to Earth and be captured by its gravitational field at a rate higher than the rate at which the Earth loses its atmosphere due to that very same solar wind. Given the extreme particle velocity in solar wind, it's probably too fast for most of it to be captured (in excess of Earth's escape velocity). One exception might be charged particles which are captured by the magnetic field and routed towards the poles as aurora. I don't have any numbers on me, so that's mostly conjecture at the moment.

 

[Sonofason]

It doesn't matter how close or far Earth is.

Of course it matters. When the earth is close to the sun, more of the sun's rays strike the earth. If the earth were hundreds of light years from the sun, it would get virtually an insignificant amount of the suns rays. It's just like your sight. If I stand right in your face, all you see is me. If I back up a mile you can hardly see me.

How do you know what it was?

Well, from researching the subject.
"Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation~ Which is radiation left over from the big bang. Microwaves were the main radiation left over from the big bang, which now fill our universe. Initially, the universe was really hot. It was filled with gamma rays (electromagnetic radiation with very short wavelengths). As the universe expanded, the wavelengths of the gamma rays stretched. As the universe continued to
expand, the wavelengths of the radiation stretched further and further. (Eventually reaching
into other parts of the electromagnetic spectrum.)"
http://thebigbangtheorygrade9style.weebly.com/evidence-of-the-big-bang.html

I'm sure they all thought that, too.

Everyone things they're right until they are proven wrong...so what?
Go ahead, and prove me wrong.

...oh, I see what you're doing.

'Fraid that's not gonna fly with me. Not without some actual, physical evidence, presented in a peer-reviewed paper, that there was less water back then than now and then a late-pangea-era massive flood. Because all the evidence thus far points to a pretty consistent amount of water for most of Earth's time, and that all Earth's children are, indeed, born from Sea.

Too funny, mention the truth, and the atheists go scurrying. Doesn't matter what you say...mention God, the Bible or something God has done, and they're outa here. Doesn't matter if you got evidence or even proof. It can't be true because it involves God.

I'm willing to learn, if you truly have the light of new knowledge to bring to me which contradicts the established knowledge. But you gotta earn your status as a trustworthy source. Your first task in that is to truly understand the current consensus, which has not been demonstrated. How do you know, for instance, that you're not arguing against a fabrication by the Straw Man?

I don't think you are.
So if it's an atheist supported site, you'd have a look right? Sorry, that isn't gonna happen.

 

[Sonofason]

It's still there, just more spread out.

Yes it is there. But is it more or less dense? Is the mass in a dense universe more dense than the mass in a less dense universe?

Lets inflate the question. In the singularity, was the universe dense or not? Is it now more or less dense?

You get a cookie if you get the right answer.