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Do I have a right to die?

Vendetta

"Oscar the grouch"
Very simple what the ethical ramifications regarding Euthenasia? Although in hospitals patients have many rights, they don't have a right to die. However what about suffering should we consider this practice if a patient is in tremendous amount of agony even if they consent to it? What are some of your thoughts?
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
In the USA, and no doubt elsewhere, there are instruments called living wills.
"Generally, a living will describes certain life prolonging treatments. You, the declarant, indicate which treatments you do or do not want applied to you in the event you either suffer from a terminal illness or are in a permanent vegetative state."
source
 

Vendetta

"Oscar the grouch"
But what if I am in agony and I want to die? Doctors cannot perform anything to allow me to die
 

Brendan ben David

Human Being
Suffering can be (and usually is) a punishment and cleansing from sin. I assure you it is better to suffer in this material world than in the next.
 

MissAlice

Well-Known Member
Well I'm all for euthanization. I hope I'm euthanized once the fatal suffering takes over. The only problem I have however is the people who would take advantage of this and euthanize those who are unable to consent within their right frame of mind or take advantage of those who are dying.
 

jelly

Active Member
Suffering can be (and usually is) a punishment and cleansing from sin. I assure you it is better to suffer in this material world than in the next.
really because in the next you won't have a chance to die.

on a serious note, I believe one day somebody will be the last to die either because medical technologies will prevent death or everybody will die.

it would be sad to be the last person to die especially if the news reads "man chooses euthanasia, cure found seconds later"
 

MissAlice

Well-Known Member
Suffering can be (and usually is) a punishment and cleansing from sin. I assure you it is better to suffer in this material world than in the next.

How about this scenario? Take someone who hits someone with a baseball bat, rapes a child, enjoys torturing animals/humans, kills at random. How does this compute with the sufferer being the sinner and the attacker who has sinned not suffering? Or maybe you have another definition of a sinner?
 
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Barcode

Active Member
As a physician, we are bound by the hippocratic oath of tending to the sick and dying and to promote life saving tactics to the best of our abilities. I have seen patients whom I've tended sufer terribly due to the advancement of their cancer. I have seen pain and agony in their faces and looks of hopelessness and desire to end their life. However, despite all that we cannot jeopardize our license like Kavorkian did and help end their lives and doing such is basically playing "God."

But as a man I would say I believe if a persons illness reaches its zenith and there is absolutely nothing that can ease their pain (such as Pain Management therapy) and if the patient consents to expedite their death I would say why not? I think the effects of suffering is more traumatic to the family than death. At least with death their is the lifeless body and the grieving process that follows. But with watching your loved one suffer over and over day by day hour by hour looking in their face and listening to the moans and their agony is very traumatic.

Unlike Mr. Brenden Ben David, I do not see physical suffering as a cleansing of the soul, rather I just see it as what it is and that is pain.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Suffering can be (and usually is) a punishment and cleansing from sin. I assure you it is better to suffer in this material world than in the next.

It's kinda cute how the abrahamic religions incorporate sadomasochistic fetishism into their faith. It's also an irrelevant notion to those who aren't of those faiths and should have no baring over their own rights and choices.
 
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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
But anyway, I'm of the opinion that a person who is sound of mind should have the right to decide for themselves the fate of their own lives if they're terminally ill and suffering greatly. I see no rational justification for forcing someone to suffer horribly through a hopeless and inevitable situation rather than make their own choice over their own life.
 
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England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Very simple what the ethical ramifications regarding Euthenasia? Although in hospitals patients have many rights, they don't have a right to die. However what about suffering should we consider this practice if a patient is in tremendous amount of agony even if they consent to it? What are some of your thoughts?

Euthenasia used under strict guidlines for the terminally ill or people who are in great pain should be available to all,i think it could be extended to the Prison population too.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Suffering can be (and usually is) a punishment and cleansing from sin. I assure you it is better to suffer in this material world than in the next.

So someone in terrible agony wants a merciful death and you say its better to suffer now,you'll thank me for it later,nothing like a loving religion is there.
 

Vendetta

"Oscar the grouch"
Euthenasia used under strict guidlines for the terminally ill or people who are in great pain should be available to all,i think it could be extended to the Prison population too.

Why prison population? If they lost their right to freedom why should they have a right to die?
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
Why prison population? If they lost their right to freedom why should they have a right to die?

Well i look at it this way,many inmates are never going to be free with multiple life sentences,they cost money to keep,money that could be better spent elswhere on people who deserve it.
 

Alex_G

Enlightner of the Senses
Very simple what the ethical ramifications regarding Euthenasia? Although in hospitals patients have many rights, they don't have a right to die. However what about suffering should we consider this practice if a patient is in tremendous amount of agony even if they consent to it? What are some of your thoughts?

I think that autonomy is important, and each individual has the sole rights over matters regarding their self preservation. No one has claim over the rights of others, and such things as slavery and murder are examples of such wrong doing.
With regards to life and death, only person A truly knows what it means to be person A, and thus has claim to the decisions regarding what happens to that life. No one else can claim to know that life in such a way that equals or betters their internal perspective.

Unfortunately, with regards to taking ones own life, even though you have the right to do so, you cant really follow through with it. Because person A is defined by that life they have, and its the source of the rights they hold, so the process of death involves a loss of everything that makes someone who they are. To become not A lies outside the realm of life and the rights life creates. It isnt truly sensible for person A to correctly assess a situation and what it means to not be A. Its sort of the impossible informed decision.

To put it slightly differently, reasons that would lead to the taking of your own life can never add up to the worth of life, to that individual.
Essentially it’s impossible for the individual to really ask himself, what it would be worth for me to be dead, because to be dead means to no longer be themselves. And so they can’t intelligible comment on a state of not being themselves.

Of course thats not to say people physically cant take their own life, because clearly that happens. I think such examples will all involve coercion of sorts.


I mean the stock medical ethics is a mix of, do no harm, respect autonomy and be fair in treatment.
Palliative care and pain management is what's done for people who are terminal. Keep them comfortable, and stop 'treating' in the sense of life prolonging treatment, when there is no prospect of cure or improved quality of life. Decisions made in conjunction with patient wishes.
Patients can make a DNR form (Do not resuscitate), indicating their wishes to not be brought back as it were. These need to be very specific, and basically, if there is any doubt or ambiguity, you save them.
e.g. someone with terminal cancer and 4 months to live might want a DNR, but then just say something like 'in the event of needing life support, do not attempt to resuscitation me'. But in the following days, he might get knocked over by a car, an unforeseen complication, and thus, because the DNR doesnt expressly cover this event, you cant assume they wanted it to, and so you must save them.

I think we can all imagine the situation where aiding the death of a suffering individual seems reasonable under the circumstances. I mean we hold that standard for many animals, who are equally able to suffer as we do.
Its a fine line between being ok, and not. And it is in a way, too much power for an individual to hold as part of a job description.
Whatever, it is most defiantly a last option, and shouldn't be perused before exhausting other options.

Alex
 

Badran

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Why prison population? If they lost their right to freedom why should they have a right to die?

Why would you think just because they aren't allowed to be part of society they shouldn't be allowed any rights?

I'm sure you'd agree they still have rights, the question is why would you deny them this particular right, if its given to others. If there are no reasons or arguments that suggest we should deny them this right, they naturally should have it, just as other people do (if they do).

That said, i personally think ending our own lives is a terrible thing, if i were a doctor i wouldn't participate in this, but right now i can't think of any reason to interfere in people's decisions concerning their own lives.

When i watched a movie once concerning this subject, i was pretty conflicted about it, but for some reason i can't recall what were the points i was conflicted about.
 

horizon_mj1

Well-Known Member
All for The Death Row Inmate Gladiators!:D As far as allowing a person the right to die, I 100% agree. I myself have made sure my family members are sure of my wishes should anything serious happen. What right do we have to judge each others pain or put any kind of restrictions on how that pain can be relieved. If a person is going to die no matter what the treatment and it is know they wish to die, it is more inhumane not to help them (if legally viable) IMO. No offense, but any person who thinks they can make claims to why some people suffer (especially at the hands of others) IMO are a tad "out there"; they see not the double standard in which this thinking creates. An innocent child, too young to even realize life being violated by the people around them is considered justice???? Whom ever makes such claims IMO do so without thought or consideration of facts created in any given situation and make judgments not warranted by the Divine.
 
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